[情報] Manfred對太鼓事件進行發言

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https://www.mlb.com/news/rob-manfred-discusses-2017-astros-in-press-conference NORTH PORT, Fla. -- MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred spoke Sunday afternoon at Grapefruit League media day and answered a variety of questions regarding the baseball world’s reaction to the punishments the Astros received for illegal sign-stealing in 2017 and 2018. 阿曼在周日下午的葡萄柚聯盟媒體日回答了關於太鼓事件一些問題 “When we began the investigation after we became aware of the Houston situation, we started with an important and fundamental goal and that goal was to make sure that we found the facts, completed the investigation, figured out what was going on and put ourselves in a position to be as transparent with our fans and the other clubs as possible,” Manfred said. “ Our desire to find the facts, to figure out what really went on, drove a lot of the decisions we made in the investigation process. "我們調查的目標就是要確保找到真相，然後對外界透明公開" (呃 所以哪些球員乾淨的可不可以公開一下.....) “I think the worst possible outcome from this institution would’ve been if we had conducted an investigation and we came back and said, 'You know, we just couldn’t figure out what was going on.' People had a right to know what happened, and we did achieve that goal.” 最糟的情況是沒找到真相，人們有權利知道發生了甚麼，我們達成了這點" (我說我的那個權利) No players were disciplined as part of the process, and Manfred stood behind that decision despite some recent criticism from players around the league that Astros players got off too easy. 對於沒有球員受罰這點，雖然受到球員批評但阿曼仍表達了支持 “I’m more than prepared to tolerate and listen to the debate and criticism about whether or not the punishments that have been levied in this case were sufficient,” Manfred said. “The one thing that I do take an issue with is the notion that anyone in the Houston organization escaped without punishment. I think if you look at the faces of the Houston players as they went out there publicly addressing this issue, they have been hurt by this. They will live with questions about what went on in 2017 and 2018 for the rest of their lives. And frankly it’s rare that for any offense, to have a punishment that you have to live with for the rest of your life.” "我認為重要的是太空人高層有沒有被懲處，而球員的部分，從這幾天球員的公開露面 你就可以看出他們受到了傷害，他們未來的人生都會活在2017年發生了甚麼的問題中， 而很少會有違規行為的懲罰會和你整個後半生共度" 姑且不否認目前整團都黑的 Manfred said MLB officials spent considerable time considering whether to strip the Astros of their championship. MLB官方花了很多時間討論是否要拔冠 “We thought about it,” he said. “It was high in terms of the minutes that we spent talking about it. My thinking involves several points. First of all, it had never happened in baseball. And I’m a precedent guy. I’m not saying you always follow precedent, but I think you ought to start by looking back at the way things have been done and you have to have a really good reason to depart from that precedent. "我們討論了很多，我的想法是，首先，這在棒球史上沒有發生過 我是盡量遵守前例的人，你必須要有很好的理由來擺脫前例" 你改了多少棒球規則了 “I believed that the most fundamental obligation was to get the facts, put them out there, and let people make their own judgment as to what happened in the 2017 season and the 2017 World Series. If nothing else, I think we can all agree that we’ve gotten enough facts out there, and plenty of people have made their judgments as to what went on.” "我相信最重要的是得到真相，然後讓人們評價在2017發生了甚麼" 可是你禁止球隊評價 So while MLB did not take the trophy back, the investigation has cast the championship team in a different light. 即使MLB沒有收回冠軍，調查過程已經將冠軍變色 “Once you have a situation in which the 2017 World Series will always be looked at as something different, whether or not you put an asterisk or ask for the trophy back, I just don’t think it makes that much difference," Manfred said. "I think we did what we should do: We found the facts and we were transparent about them. Once you go down that road of changing what happens on the field, I just don’t know how you decide where you stop.” "當你覺得2017的冠軍有問題，不管你是打星號或要求收回，我覺得都差不多 我覺得重要的還是找到真相然後公開，如果真的要改變甚麼，你可能找不到停止的點 Manfred touched on a series of related topics, including: 其他回應 Whether the Astros punishment had been serious enough to deter others: “ 這樣的懲罰有沒有威攝力? Yeah, I do. I think perspective, right? You had four really respected baseball people -- [Astros president of baseball operations] Jeff Luhnow, [Astros manager] AJ Hinch, [Red Sox manager] Alex Cora and [Mets manager] Carlos Beltrán -- that lost their jobs over this. I think losing your job in a sport like baseball -- where there’s really no substitute -- is a pretty serious deterrent. On the player’s side, I don’t think there’s a player in Major League Baseball who relishes the idea of being a 2017 Houston Astro and is out there answering questions about what exactly happened and why it happened.” "我認為有，我們開除了4個人，你在體育界失去工作很難找到替代的 這很嚴厲，而球員中應該沒有人想像現在太鼓球員現在這樣不斷被質問" On players threatening retaliation against the Astros: “ 關於目前球員發表的復仇威脅" I think the back-and-forth that’s gone on is not healthy. This is another topic on which we’re trying to be proactive. I met with half the managers here in Florida before I came out here, and I’ll meet the other half in Arizona. I hope that I made it extremely clear to them that retaliation in-game by throwing at a batter intentionally will not be tolerated -- whether it’s at Houston or anybody else. I think it’s dangerous and it is not helpful to the current situation.” "我認為這很不健康，我和教練們會面，我會明確表示砸人報復行為不會被容忍 這對現況不會有幫助" On allegations the Astros wore buzzers as part of the sign-stealing: 蜂鳴器 The players were candid about 2017 and the fact that they violated the rules in 2017. They were candid and consistent about the fact that the rules were violated in 2018. They were equally consistent in the denials, everybody, every single witness, in the denials about this buzzer allegation. I think in my own mind, it was hard for me to figure out why they would tell us, given that they were immune, why they would be truthful, admit they did the wrong thing in ’17, admit they did the wrong thing in ’18 and then lie about what was going in '19. Now, can I tell you that I’m 100 percent sure about that? You’re never 100 percent sure in any of these things, but that was my best judgment.” "球員坦白2017，球員坦白2018，同時明確否認蜂鳴器，我不覺得其中半真半假 我不會100%確定，你永遠不會100%確定這些事，但這是我目前認為的最佳判斷 原來2018也有 On whether there will be any rule changes made to prevent this from happening again: “ 是否會有預防性質的其他規則改變? I do expect that for 2020, we will have really serious restrictions on players’ and playing personnel’s access to video in-game. I think it’s really important for us to send a message to our fans that not only did we investigate and punish, but that we altered our policies in a way that will help make sure that it doesn’t happen again. "我們在2020對球員和其他人員在比賽中看影片會有嚴格限制，我認為這件事送出了重要的 訊息表示我們進行了調查和處分，同時並確保未來不會再度發生" -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 23.241.114.153 (美國) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1581905946.A.107.html
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02/17 10:23, 5年前 , 1F
慘慘慘 聯盟前景暗無天日
02/17 10:23, 1F
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02/17 10:24, 5年前 , 2F
嘔嘔嘔嘔嘔嘔
02/17 10:24, 2F
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02/17 10:25, 5年前 , 3F
這咖小她媽下台好嗎 史上最爛 聖教主都屌打
02/17 10:25, 3F
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02/17 10:27, 5年前 , 4F
這篇沒寫到主席說WS冠軍只是a piece of metal 嘻嘻
02/17 10:27, 4F
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02/17 10:27, 5年前 , 5F
主席認證2018也有問題 太鼓人球員要在回應一次了嗎
02/17 10:27, 5F
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02/17 10:27, 5年前 , 6F
搞屁 講了一大串然後每一句都能吐槽
02/17 10:27, 6F
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02/17 10:37, 5年前 , 7F
唉
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02/17 10:39, 5年前 , 8F
曼佛地魔銳是來毀滅棒球的
02/17 10:39, 8F
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02/17 10:39, 5年前 , 9F
笑死 曼城被罰超重 MLB根本搔癢還搔不到癢處
02/17 10:39, 9F
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02/17 10:42, 5年前 , 10F
阿曼加油好麻
02/17 10:42, 10F
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02/17 10:43, 5年前 , 11F
爛透了
02/17 10:43, 11F
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02/17 10:44, 5年前 , 12F
Manfred就學法律的 思維跟恐龍法官差不多吧
02/17 10:44, 12F
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02/17 10:45, 5年前 , 13F
推翻譯和吐嘈 什麼狗屁透明公開啊
02/17 10:45, 13F
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02/17 10:47, 5年前 , 14F
嚴重懷疑Manfred被收買了 講出這些天理難容的護航 噁心
02/17 10:47, 14F
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02/17 10:52, 5年前 , 15F
可以改名叫做休士頓大聯盟了
02/17 10:52, 15F
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02/17 10:54, 5年前 , 16F
有什麼懲罰比得上良心受譴責還嚴厲嗎?
02/17 10:54, 16F
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02/17 10:56, 5年前 , 17F
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02/17 10:56, 5年前 , 18F
垃圾發言
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02/17 10:56, 5年前 , 19F
他還說了冠軍只是 A piece of metal 好嗎？
02/17 10:56, 19F
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02/17 10:57, 5年前 , 20F
良心受譴責就可以不用罰，那禁藥也不要禁賽了
02/17 10:57, 20F
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02/17 10:59, 5年前 , 21F
主席閱讀能力有問題是不是 還2018咧 Correa會叫你閉嘴啦
02/17 10:59, 21F
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02/17 10:59, 5年前 , 22F
Correa不是說只有2017嗎,乾爹你要挺也先溝通一下,別這麼快就
02/17 10:59, 22F
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02/17 10:59, 5年前 , 23F
灣灣歡迎曼仔 讀法律很適合來台灣
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02/17 10:59, 5年前 , 24F
打你乾兒子的臉
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02/17 10:59, 5年前 , 25F
良心受譴責就可以不用罰，那也不用警察了，法院也可以
02/17 10:59, 25F
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02/17 11:00, 5年前 , 26F
順便廢除Zzz
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02/17 11:00, 5年前 , 27F
Correa出來面對啊 龜什麼 主席在散播不正確的資訊耶
02/17 11:00, 27F
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02/17 11:02, 5年前 , 28F
到底是主席認證2018也有作弊還是Correa認證主席閱讀能力有問
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02/17 11:02, 5年前 , 29F
題呢
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02/17 11:04, 5年前 , 30F
調查報告2018有的 但有說在某個時間點停止
02/17 11:04, 30F
所以真的是Correa繼續畫虎爛?
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02/17 11:04, 5年前 , 31F
可以罷免他嗎
02/17 11:04, 31F
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02/17 11:04, 5年前 , 32F
主席護航成這樣，真的很難看啦
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02/17 11:05, 5年前 , 33F
休士頓大聯盟
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02/17 11:05, 5年前 , 34F
所以主席先爆雷了？調查還沒公開 就說紅襪承認了？
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02/17 11:06, 5年前 , 35F
你乾脆直接把世界大賽頒給太鼓人算了
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02/17 11:08, 5年前 , 36F
哈哈阿曼最遵守前例哈哈
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02/17 11:10, 5年前 , 37F
Correa話太多了 他什麼都不說的話也不用一直說謊
02/17 11:10, 37F
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02/17 11:11, 5年前 , 38F
說了一次謊接下來不管你說什麼別人都不會相信了
02/17 11:11, 38F
還有 47 則推文
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02/17 13:00, 5年前 , 86F
開季了還去水桶人，目前都用勸導的方式，請大家配合。
02/17 13:00, 86F
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02/17 13:04, 5年前 , 87F
紅襪不是還在調查嗎? 有可能在春訓前公布吧?
02/17 13:04, 87F
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02/17 13:27, 5年前 , 88F
說要遵守前例改一堆垃圾規則 再裝
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02/17 13:34, 5年前 , 89F
紅襪等聯盟報告出來要罵的再罵吧 問題是聯盟把自己搞得
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02/17 13:34, 5年前 , 90F
那麼沒公信力...
02/17 13:34, 90F
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02/17 13:41, 5年前 , 91F
到現在還不知道自己問題在哪，可憐哪
02/17 13:41, 91F
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02/17 14:33, 5年前 , 92F
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02/17 14:33, 92F
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02/17 14:37, 5年前 , 93F
快滾下台啦
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02/17 14:40, 5年前 , 94F
爛
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02/17 15:19, 5年前 , 95F
危機處理真的差 不談改規則部分他都該下台了
02/17 15:19, 95F
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02/17 15:33, 5年前 , 96F
我阿罵都能處理得比你好
02/17 15:33, 96F
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02/17 15:46, 5年前 , 97F
這已經不是乾兒子是親兒子了，滾啦
02/17 15:46, 97F
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02/17 16:16, 5年前 , 98F
原本很喜歡Correa，但是看到作弊還大聲真的無法再支持下
02/17 16:16, 98F
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02/17 16:48, 5年前 , 99F
垃圾主席
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02/17 17:02, 5年前 , 100F
問題在哪已經很明顯了吧...
02/17 17:02, 100F
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02/17 17:05, 5年前 , 101F
Selig：知道我的好了吧
02/17 17:05, 101F
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02/17 17:06, 5年前 , 102F
他是不是有壓場外？？？
02/17 17:06, 102F
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02/17 18:16, 5年前 , 103F
可能作弊系統是曼包子引人太空人的吧，無恥
02/17 18:16, 103F
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02/17 18:46, 5年前 , 104F
名字遮起來以為是反串發言
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02/17 18:57, 5年前 , 105F
這個白癡到底是怎麼當上主席的....
02/17 18:57, 105F
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02/17 19:04, 5年前 , 106F
這傢伙真的是隨便講幾句話就被打臉
02/17 19:04, 106F
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02/17 19:38, 5年前 , 107F
垃圾主席滾
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02/17 19:47, 5年前 , 108F
盡量遵守前例... 為了縮短時間不知道改了多少前例
02/17 19:47, 108F
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02/17 19:52, 5年前 , 109F
放個西瓜都比他當主席強
02/17 19:52, 109F
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02/17 19:58, 5年前 , 110F
不要把棒球搞爛
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02/17 20:43, 5年前 , 111F
噁心
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02/17 21:02, 5年前 , 112F
爛
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02/17 22:02, 5年前 , 113F
cd
02/17 22:02, 113F
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02/17 22:11, 5年前 , 114F
我阿罵當主席會要求開記者會表演掃把打Correa
02/17 22:11, 114F
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02/17 22:27, 5年前 , 115F
Correa是說2018沒敲垃圾桶，但有用review room分析暗
02/17 22:27, 115F
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02/17 22:27, 5年前 , 116F
號，調查報告結果也是這樣
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02/17 22:38, 5年前 , 117F
大聯盟會被這咖搞到倒掉
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02/17 23:40, 5年前 , 118F
爛死了 就算沒bang道奇不一定贏 但是bang的絕對沒資格
02/17 23:40, 118F
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02/17 23:40, 5年前 , 119F
拿冠軍 至少讓那年從缺阿
02/17 23:40, 119F
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02/18 00:12, 5年前 , 120F
簡譯：主席最大的處罰就是慢慢凌遲這些球員
02/18 00:12, 120F
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02/18 00:26, 5年前 , 121F
西瓜主席
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02/18 01:41, 5年前 , 122F
不敢拔冠軍的俗辣主席，孬種
02/18 01:41, 122F
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02/18 07:14, 5年前 , 123F
這哪有什麼凌遲？根本讓他們爽翻了！
02/18 07:14, 123F
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02/18 11:56, 5年前 , 124F
藥蟲成績也是被大眾質疑啊 還不是照樣禁賽
02/18 11:56, 124F
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02/19 08:14, 5年前 , 125F
只是一塊金屬...,那我可以說你只是會走路的化合物嗎乾
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