[情報] WBC不過是個展覽

看板MLB作者時間11年前 (2013/03/17 15:39), 編輯推噓56(59推 3噓 89→)
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http://tinyurl.com/atjxr7b They held a World Golf Championship event in Miami this weekend. Donald Trump hosted it, at the Trump Doral Trump National Trump Course he recently purchased and plans to redesign by moving some tees back, replacing the sand traps with diamonds and remodeling all the greens so they are shaped like his head. Anyway, Tiger Woods won this World Golf Championship. But nobody thinks this makes him the world golf champion. A few weeks ago, Matt Kuchar won another World Golf Championship event, the match play. But nobody calls Kuchar the world's match-play golf champion. He is just the golfer who won an event with that name. I assume he makes this distinction at dinner parties. And this is the problem with the World Baseball Classic. It decides nothing. I'm sure it's a fun event. I'm sure it means a lot to the players. I believe my colleagues who say the atmosphere is electric. I'll take their word for it, because I'm not watching. An international event needs to have the best players on every team, or most of them, and it has to matter intensely to those players. Otherwise it's not a championship. It's an exhibition. It's a marketing opportunity. I have nothing against exhibitions. Or marketing opportunities. If I ran Major League Baseball, I'd stage the World Baseball Classic too, though first I would cut the regular season to 154 games, make both leagues play under one set of rules and do something stupid that I could blame on Bobby Valentine. The World Baseball Classic is a way to "grow the game," so hey, keep growing it. But this is the USA pitching staff in the World Baseball Classic: Jeremy Affeldt Heath Bell Mitchell Boggs Steve Cishek Tim Collins Ross Detwiler R.A. Dickey Gio Gonzalez Luke Gregorson David Hernandez Derek Holland Craig Kimbrel Glen Perkins Vinnie Pestano Ryan Vogelsong There are some very good pitchers on that list -- even casual fans know Dickey, Gonzalez and Vogelsong. But there is no Clayton Kershaw, no Justin Verlander, no David Price, no Matt Cain. It is so far from the best American pitching staff you could put together that we don't even need to discuss it further. Anybody can see that, and of course that has an enormous impact on who wins the thing. There is a reason Verlander is gunning for a $200 million contract and Detwiler is not. I don't fault those guys. They absolutely should skip the WBC. In an era when we are so worried about workloads that the Washington Nationals shut down a healthy young ace in the middle of a pennant race, guys like Kershaw would be foolish to throw meaningful pitches right now. They need to be ready from April to October, not in early March. They can't risk their careers for an exhibition. And as long as they don't pitch, it is an exhibition. The World Baseball Classic does not determine which country has the best team in the world. It doesn't even determine which country has the best players in Florida right now. Reds second baseman Brandon Phillips said, "It would have been embarrassing" to lose to whoever the U.S. played and not advance to whatever the next round is called. I understand. He feels like he is representing his country. He cares. That's great. But I would not have been embarrassed. I don't know any American who would have been embarrassed. Even if you care madly about the concept of baseball as America's game, you can't pretend Luke Gregorson is David Price. To the average sports fan, this is like somebody got bored in spring training and decided to play a pickup game to mix things up. I don't see how that will ever change. Executives can't move the WBC to a better time of year, because there is no better time. They can't hold it every year because star participation would go down, not up. And they can't get pitchers to change their minds, unless they come up with a way to make pitchers really stupid. So, enjoy the WBC, fellas. I'm sure it's cool to be a part of it, and go ahead and market your bad selves. I'll see you when baseball season starts. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.25.133
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03/17 15:42, , 1F
要決鬥了？
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03/17 15:43, , 2F
這問題根本就無解
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03/17 15:56, , 3F
我看今年冠軍賽又是日荷 然後看日本血洗荷蘭的1A投手
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群
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03/17 16:11, , 5F
回歸到最基本的運動精神,輸贏實力是一回事,對於比賽的
03/17 16:11, 5F
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03/17 16:12, , 6F
重視度還有求勝心是評斷一支球隊最基本的方式.
03/17 16:12, 6F
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03/17 16:12, , 7F
的確 對投手來說多準備那一個月不就表示季末會更疲軟
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03/17 16:12, , 8F
再說WBC冠軍哪比的上200M合約呢
03/17 16:12, 8F
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03/17 16:13, , 9F
其實我還滿欽佩這次美國隊有拚勁的球員~
03/17 16:13, 9F
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03/17 16:16, , 10F
自衛文
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03/17 16:17, , 11F
應該改成威廉波特賽制
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03/17 16:21, , 12F
我也覺得有點阿Q
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03/17 16:24, , 13F
請問外國有抵制威廉波特賽制(明顯對美國有利)嗎？
03/17 16:24, 13F
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03/17 16:26, , 14F
威廉波特就夏令營式比賽 少棒志在參加不在得獎吧
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03/17 16:26, , 15F
自辦夏令營，不爽不要打 抵制才奇怪吧?
03/17 16:26, 15F
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03/17 16:27, , 16F
就輸了在嘴砲啊
03/17 16:27, 16F
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03/17 16:28, , 17F
馬林魚拿世界冠軍時 也沒多少人覺得他們是世界最強
03/17 16:28, 17F
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03/17 16:28, , 18F
MLB不過是個展覽?
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03/17 16:30, , 19F
傲嬌作者 說自己沒看卻知道米國隊有誰
03/17 16:30, 19F
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我其實不太懂嘴巴上說不在意卻又硬要寫一篇出來戰
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03/17 16:31, , 21F
11號寫的 那時美國還沒輸吧
03/17 16:31, 21F
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03/17 16:32, , 22F
因為害怕會輸 打預防針很難懂嗎
03/17 16:32, 22F
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03/17 16:32, , 23F
美國人說穿了就是不爽美國沒派出他們認為最好的陣容吧
03/17 16:32, 23F
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03/17 16:34, , 24F
這篇寫的是事實 以現在的賽制一堆強者不會冒著風險下來打
03/17 16:34, 24F
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03/17 16:35, , 25F
而且因為打完對生涯是負面影響, 誘因反而還會愈來愈差
03/17 16:35, 25F
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03/17 16:36, , 26F
惟一的解套法可能只有縮短球季, 把它塞在球季中間一途
03/17 16:36, 26F
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03/17 16:38, , 27F
看到目前的比賽內容 熱血有餘 比賽強度卻很有問題
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03/17 16:39, , 28F
比賽強度我覺得已經勝過前兩屆了
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03/17 16:39, , 29F
比賽強度有什麼問題?
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03/17 16:40, , 30F
就算把明星全找來 也是熱身不足OOXX
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03/17 16:40, , 31F
yes ,everything is a show
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03/17 16:41, , 32F
就算辦在球季中 也是季賽比較重要XXOO
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03/17 16:41, , 33F
這屆明星說實話已經夠閃耀
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03/17 16:43, , 34F
三月不是熱身而已 一大堆第一流球員根本不會考慮參加
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03/17 16:44, , 35F
認為比賽強度很夠的, 100% 是平常根本就沒在看的
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03/17 16:44, , 36F
Dickey+GGon+Vogelsong+Kershaw+Verlander+Price+Cain
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03/17 16:44, , 37F
第一流的球員沒來? 扣掉那些季末動手術和受傷的
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03/17 16:45, , 38F
以美國隊而言 跟前兩屆比實在看不出哪裡閃耀了
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03/17 16:45, , 39F
組這種陣容出來才叫展覽會
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還有 72 則推文
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03/17 21:28, , 112F
後來奪回冠軍，其實就看美國的重視程度而已
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03/17 21:29, , 113F
打輸就在那邊說不重要的比賽 承認技不如人很難嗎
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03/17 21:29, , 114F
小國的國家榮譽會重視在wbc上，球員自然壓力大
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03/17 21:30, , 115F
其實比賽強度來說，我覺得不會輸給大聯盟季後賽了
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03/17 21:35, , 116F
不過這麼早就燃燒自己，後面的季賽會出事的機率比較高
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03/17 21:36, , 117F
啤酒炸機XD
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03/17 21:42, , 118F
那就WBC跟著MLB季後賽混著一起打好了 爭奪世界冠軍
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03/17 22:02, , 119F
場上認真是一回事 調整的好不好又是一回事
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噓
03/17 22:07, , 120F
LUB還敢大聲? 而且美國隊明明超拚，輸了就是輸了
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03/17 22:10, , 121F
初音不過是個軟體。愛惜生命，拒絕單挑圍毆。(逃)
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03/17 23:13, , 122F
釣魚王
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03/17 23:56, , 123F
看完文章後真覺得很LUB~ 原來沒派出最好的球員 美國人不
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03/17 23:57, , 124F
太關心 所以叫展覽不叫比賽? 真是苦了認真比賽的球員和那
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些關心比賽的國家
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03/18 00:03, , 126F
我看了比賽後 不覺得參賽的美國隊員也是當展覽在比賽
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03/18 00:04, , 127F
既然參賽的隊員也不乏大喀 又沒有不認真 旁邊喊不重要
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03/18 00:05, , 128F
沒意義 像展覽 不覺得很奇怪嗎
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03/18 00:07, , 129F
同意樓上 這樣一方面輕視代表美國出賽的球員
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人家也是來認真比賽的 想春訓就拒絕徵招就好了
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何必來這春訓又惹來罵名 結果換你自大美帝人一句
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"沒人在乎" 這樣一口氣嗆到全世界來認真打WBC的球員
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03/18 00:09, , 133F
而且管你wbc是第幾級賽事 用認真態度面對比賽很奇怪?
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03/18 00:24, , 134F
完全就阿q阿 要嗆不重視就先拿次冠軍再說吧
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03/18 00:40, , 135F
美國隊超拼的好嗎? 根本沒在管受傷的 燃燒撲接不斷
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03/18 00:56, , 136F
要比賽誰會想要輸阿 美國媒體老是說什麼不重要沒認真打
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03/18 00:57, , 137F
對於那麼多為了國家榮譽而戰的球員是種侮辱吧
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03/18 01:14, , 138F
完全同意樓上
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LUB
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事實上就是場邊在乎眼光的人想找理由下台階罷了...
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而參賽者不管怎看也不會是不重視比賽的樣子
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LUB
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噓
03/18 10:06, , 143F
前兩屆閃耀 還是輸阿 有差?
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03/18 10:54, , 144F
因為美國就很怕輸了沒面子只好先打預防針
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03/18 13:38, , 145F
LUB
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細膩出局 日謎崩潰
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說美國都不在乎的，完全抹煞了部分認真比賽球員的努力
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可能不像季後賽那麼拚，但也不可能有人想趕快輸打包回家的
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哪天贏了就會說隨便派人都贏
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LUBXD
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舉爬電線桿當例子就要問 https://noxiv.com
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