[討論] Cole Hamels

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Cole Hamels跟費城人簽下15M/Y 這是最後一年仲裁 2012球季結束會成為FA 經紀人的談話看起來會讓他成為自由球員拿到一張可觀的長約 以他的年紀跟成績 平均接近20M/Y的長約應該可以預期的吧 經紀人是沒講到底他的客戶值得拿到多少的合約 不過也不會考慮類似織織的5Y/85M 費城GM Ruben Amaro Jr.只說會繼續跟經紀人協商試著簽下一份長約綁住他 會不會出現一隊輪值中有三個平均20M的投手呢? Cole Hamels今年28歲 生涯ERA+ 126 又是左投 大家覺得他可能拿到多大的合約呢~ Agent expects 'elite' contract for Hamels One contract watch is over for Cole Hamels and another is just beginning. Hamels and the Phillies avoided an arbitration hearing when they agreed to a one-year, $15 million contract on Tuesday The Phillies already had control of Hamels’ rights for 2012. The only mystery was how much of a raise would he get from the $9.5 million he made in 2011. Now that the numbers are official, things are about to get really interesting for Hamels and the Phils. The 28-year-old lefty will be eligible for free agency at the end of the 2012 season and the big question is: Will he become the Phils’ next $20-million-per-year talent, joining Ryan Howard, Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay in that stratosphere? Agent John Boggs would not put a number on his client’s value on Tuesday night, but he sure made it sound as if that’s what it’s going to take for the Phillies to retain Hamels beyond 2012. “At the appropriate time, Cole is looking to be compensated as one of the premier left-handed pitchers in baseball,” Boggs said in a telephone interview from his San Diego office. “Without putting a number on it, we’ll leave it at the fact that he’s an elite pitcher. Look and see what elite pitchers are compensated with. Hopefully at the end of the day we’ll be able to get something done with the Phillies that will reflect that.” A quick look at some of the top lefties in baseball shows a number of contracts with average annual values of at least $20 million. One of them belongs to Lee, whose AAV is $24 million. While Boggs did not want to put a specific number on Hamels’ value, he made it clear that he does not consider Jered Weaver’s five-year, $85 million contract with the Los Angeles Angels to be a valid comparable for his client. Weaver, who is a year older than Hamels and has similar career numbers, signed the deal in August. It carries an AAV of $17 million. “I don’t think it’s a parallel,” Boggs said of Weaver’s deal. “That contract is great for Jered. I understand it. But he took a different path and left a lot of money on the table. He came up through the Angels system and grew up in their backyard. He’s pitching where he grew up. That situation appeals to him. It’s a similar situation to when I had Tony Gwynn. “Without getting into specifics of what we’re looking for, the Weaver situation is unique to Weaver.” So the Phils would appear to have their work cut out for them in their quest to retain Hamels longterm. General manager Ruben Amaro Jr. does not talk about the specifics of contract negotiations, but he did say he will continue to speak with Boggs and try to get a longterm deal done. Boggs said he was planning to visit with Amaro during spring training in Clearwater. The Phils have exclusive negotiating rights with Hamels until five days after the 2012 World Series, and Boggs said he hadn’t considered setting any deadlines. If Hamels stays healthy in 2012 and continues to improve – he had a career-best 2.79 ERA and finished fifth in NL Cy Young voting in 2011 – he will have plenty of suitors on the free-agent market. But his preference at this time is to get something done with the team that drafted him in 2002. “When you’re this close [to free-agency] you have mixed emotions,” Boggs said. “But Cole has come through the Phillies organization, and if you asked him his preference, more than likely he’d want to remain with the Phillies. That’s how it would be going into the negotiations, but every negotiation is different. Everything depends on our perceived value of what Cole is worth and what their perceived value of him is. That will dictate if a long-term deal gets done. We’ll always give the Phillies every opportunity to secure him.” http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/phillies-talk/post/Agent-expects-elite-contract-for-Hamels?blockID=633252&feedID=704 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.133.13.130

01/19 15:16, , 1F
也許有機會向神左或Zito看齊
01/19 15:16, 1F

01/19 15:22, , 2F
希望能看到他進自由市場Q_Q
01/19 15:22, 2F

01/19 15:22, , 3F
ZITO搶很大 XD
01/19 15:22, 3F

01/19 15:33, , 4F
終身費城人啊!!
01/19 15:33, 4F

01/19 15:51, , 5F
今年保持成績,要拿20M/Y輕而易舉吧
01/19 15:51, 5F

01/19 15:52, , 6F
以Cole Hamels現在的成績,只拿Zito等級的合約還蠻便宜的~
01/19 15:52, 6F

01/19 15:57, , 7F
90M/5ys
01/19 15:57, 7F

01/19 16:00, , 8F
90M/5yrs 今年保持成績 我是總管我一定簽
01/19 16:00, 8F

01/19 16:07, , 9F
保持成績為前提...有多少人可以保持簽約年的成績呢?
01/19 16:07, 9F

01/19 16:08, , 10F
有沒有人要做10大划算跟10大擺爛FA
01/19 16:08, 10F

01/19 16:20, , 11F
十大擺爛我馬上想到幾個 XD
01/19 16:20, 11F

01/19 16:24, , 12F
park pavano wells
01/19 16:24, 12F

01/19 16:25, , 13F
90/5y也太短
01/19 16:25, 13F

01/19 16:30, , 14F
還好啦 投手不是很流行簽五年?
01/19 16:30, 14F

01/19 16:51, , 15F
6y110m只到35歲我都覺得不過分
01/19 16:51, 15F

01/19 17:02, , 16F
他跟山大王,誰的變速球較強?
01/19 17:02, 16F

01/19 17:05, , 17F
山大王
01/19 17:05, 17F

01/19 17:06, , 18F
現在的話我覺得黑魔使比較強..強在健康穩定
01/19 17:06, 18F

01/19 17:07, , 19F
山大王被大都會這個DL魔咒害慘了 = =
01/19 17:07, 19F

01/19 17:10, , 20F
進FA 應該會喊個6Y/120M吧
01/19 17:10, 20F

01/19 17:20, , 21F
山大王比黑魔使強多了
01/19 17:20, 21F

01/19 17:23, , 22F
^以前的
01/19 17:23, 22F

01/19 17:52, , 23F
17起跳 +激勵沒破20 說不過去
01/19 17:52, 23F

01/19 17:55, , 24F
好懷念雙城時期的山大王
01/19 17:55, 24F

01/19 18:27, , 25F
回不去的神左 當年那種不算超快但夠準的速球+變速~唉
01/19 18:27, 25F

01/19 19:16, , 26F
我覺得他會破20M 投球太穩了又正值28高峰
01/19 19:16, 26F

01/19 19:32, , 27F
PHI ACE...
01/19 19:32, 27F

01/19 19:50, , 28F
希望年尾進個FA,這樣才有球季後的樂趣
01/19 19:50, 28F

01/19 20:39, , 29F
CJ丟的比他好 然後他拿20M?
01/19 20:39, 29F

01/19 20:41, , 30F
薪水比較看運氣 跟實力關係沒那麼直接 看看那精美的12M..
01/19 20:41, 30F

01/19 20:46, , 31F
薪水只要合約年爆發就會飆了
01/19 20:46, 31F

01/19 20:46, , 32F
CJ是自己太佛心 不能拿他的約來跟黑魔使比
01/19 20:46, 32F

01/19 20:47, , 33F
我是好奇CJ被一堆人嫌貴 現在又一堆人喊HAMELS要20M
01/19 20:47, 33F

01/19 20:49, , 34F
CJ被嫌貴根本不是實力的問題= =
01/19 20:49, 34F

01/19 20:49, , 35F
西街比黑魔使 科科....
01/19 20:49, 35F

01/19 21:04, , 36F
實力有差
01/19 21:04, 36F

01/19 21:09, , 37F
真給平均一年20M的肥約 PHI該不會成為首支三位SP平均
01/19 21:09, 37F

01/19 21:10, , 38F
年薪都破20M的球隊~@@ 以往有這種大方球隊嗎? 印象中
01/19 21:10, 38F

01/19 21:10, , 39F
NYY BOS之類的豪門球隊好像也沒這樣過
01/19 21:10, 39F

01/19 21:20, , 40F
西街丟得比黑魔使好!?...科科
01/19 21:20, 40F

01/19 21:30, , 41F
留費城~doc和lee都有年紀了 黒魔使留下來會變成費城的臉
01/19 21:30, 41F

01/19 21:31, , 42F
反正-毛也不用出,隨便喊價也沒關係
01/19 21:31, 42F

01/19 21:32, , 43F
不是會變成費城的臉 而是早已是費城的臉了...
01/19 21:32, 43F

01/19 21:41, , 44F
CJ這兩年WAR 10.5 HAMELS 8.6 一年差了一勝...
01/19 21:41, 44F

01/19 21:42, , 45F
兩位是在科什麼?
01/19 21:42, 45F

01/19 21:43, , 46F
有些人就是連數據都不查被打臉剛好
01/19 21:43, 46F

01/19 21:50, , 47F
年紀差三歲 固定先發也是近年的事 真的比較強?有帶觀察吧
01/19 21:50, 47F

01/19 21:50, , 48F
01/19 21:50, 48F

01/19 22:02, , 49F
樓上說到重點了 有些人可能覺得合約只看數據吧
01/19 22:02, 49F

01/19 22:36, , 50F
不覺得CJ有丟比較好,算同級吧
01/19 22:36, 50F

01/19 22:46, , 51F
雖然很意外...姑且不論Hamels長期穩定了幾年
01/19 22:46, 51F

01/19 22:47, , 52F
既然都查了數據 也該知道Hamels威了幾年 CJ只先發幾年吧?
01/19 22:47, 52F

01/19 22:50, , 53F
居然連這兩年BR的WAR,Hamels都高於C.J.的,某樓不知道看哪去
01/19 22:50, 53F

01/19 22:52, , 54F
拿CJ比? CJ沒人趕出大手筆的原因在於傷病史,還有他轉先發
01/19 22:52, 54F

01/19 22:53, , 55F
才沒幾年,所以他的手臂是有健康風險的!
01/19 22:53, 55F

01/19 22:54, , 56F
你能夠穩定無傷病的長時間先發,你才有可能有大約可以拿!
01/19 22:54, 56F

01/19 22:54, , 57F
投手可不比野手,健康是很重要的考慮因素!!
01/19 22:54, 57F

01/19 22:55, , 58F
甚至投球機制被評斷有受傷風險,那你投再好都會被打問號!
01/19 22:55, 58F

01/19 22:59, , 59F
恩...↑不知道敢那麼大聲說沒人敢出大手筆給C.J.的依據在哪
01/19 22:59, 59F

01/19 23:01, , 60F
NYY表示:
01/19 23:01, 60F

01/19 23:05, , 61F
CJ不能跟黑魔使比 原因不在實力這件事情上...
01/19 23:05, 61F

01/19 23:07, , 62F
G大我這只是推斷,相對您也不能說有人願意出大手筆給CJ
01/19 23:07, 62F

01/19 23:08, , 63F
現實來說就是他的新資是5Y平均不到16M
01/19 23:08, 63F

01/19 23:08, , 64F
當然離家近是他考量重點,但是若有人願意開20M/1Y,您覺得他
01/19 23:08, 64F

01/19 23:09, , 65F
不會追求大合約嗎?
01/19 23:09, 65F

01/19 23:10, , 66F
我想說的和CGary大相同,他跟黑魔使的差距不是在"實力"..
01/19 23:10, 66F

01/19 23:10, , 67F
我覺得CJ應該是一個5年90M等級的選手,事實上他肯降薪簽我也
01/19 23:10, 67F

01/19 23:11, , 68F
很訝異... 畢竟5年可能是CJ最後一份大約... 但對Hamels而言,
01/19 23:11, 68F

01/19 23:11, , 69F
就算他簽這五年,他還可能接下一份大約...這樣想你就知道為甚
01/19 23:11, 69F

01/19 23:12, , 70F
麼 CJ 不能跟 Hamels 比了...
01/19 23:12, 70F

01/19 23:12, , 71F
我認為合理評估要下單Hamels 的,會端一份七年合約出來跟他談
01/19 23:12, 71F

01/19 23:14, , 72F
這是對球團在風險以及報酬下最好的盤算,Hamels這方應該會好
01/19 23:14, 72F

01/19 23:14, , 73F
好參考一下沙胖的簽約方式...:D
01/19 23:14, 73F

01/19 23:21, , 74F
兩個不同網站的WAR結果剛好相反,這樣是在戰什麼?
01/19 23:21, 74F

01/20 00:11, , 75F
應該是在討論看選手不能只看帳面數據吧!!
01/20 00:11, 75F

01/20 02:06, , 76F
西街是怕痛痛吧
01/20 02:06, 76F

01/20 02:39, , 77F
這兩個stuff還是有差...
01/20 02:39, 77F

01/20 07:58, , 78F
平均有2000萬吧
01/20 07:58, 78F

01/20 10:32, , 79F
樓上自肥
01/20 10:32, 79F

01/20 10:45, , 80F
CJ的歲數 傷病史 還有累積表現 先發的資歷等都有差
01/20 10:45, 80F

01/20 10:46, , 81F
連這點都比不出來
01/20 10:46, 81F

01/20 22:18, , 82F
一個是轉先發威兩年 一個是有4、5年時間證明又更年輕
01/20 22:18, 82F
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