Re: [情報] S6 世界賽 B組排名(Rito專欄)

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※ 引述《jeffreyshe (jeffrey)》之銘言: : 文章是貼在lolesports : 應該算是官方的? : http://www.lolesports.com/en_US/articles/rustys-guide-group-b : 以下排名玻璃心請左轉 : 1.C9 : 2.SKT : 3.IM : 4.FW : 開放崩潰噓, 到底兩周後誰的褲子還在? 簡單翻譯閃電狼部份 Flash Wolves, SK Telecom T1, I May, Cloud9 There are two groups this Worlds where Pick'Ems come to die. This is one of them. But that’s what's to be expected when you step into a group with the strongest No. 3 Seed, the strongest No. 2 Seed, and the weakest No. 1 Seed. Throw into the mix a relatively unknown powder keg of a Chinese team and you have the recipe for one very explosive group. B組有最爛的第一種子、最強的二三種子以及深不可測的中國隊 The general consensus is that SKT will progress, Flash Wolves will stumble, and Cloud9 and I May are strong wildcard options thrown into the mix. In this caster’s opinion, Group B is the least clear cut group at Worlds, and it's incredibly difficult to rank who finishes where. But I know that’s what you all came here for, so here we go… 我預測SKT會晉級,閃電狼會跌倒,C9跟IM會激烈競爭第二張門票 我覺得B組是最難預測的一組 Cloud9 SK Telecom T1 I May Flash Wolves 不用翻譯吧 Flash Wolves Top: MMD Jungle: Karsa Mid: Maple ADC: NL Support: SwordArt ow did they qualify? No. 1 seed from the LMS. Summer Split Champions. Having been around since 2013, adopting the full Gama Bears roster, and promptly recycling it due to age limits, The Flash Wolves didn’t really start off as a team of stars. Akin to ROX Tigers from the LCK, they were nobodies. These nobodies quickly rose to fame by beating out LMS rivals ahq and Taipei Assassins. Piece by piece they cemented themselves within the league as a major force. International showings have been strong from this team. They made it to Quarterfinals at Worlds 2015 and recently earned their region a Pool 1 berth thanks to their performance at the 2016 Mid-Season Invitational, where they beat SKT not once, but twice. Now, they'll face off again in Group B. 介紹一下閃電狼歷史,說閃電狼從2013以來就是老班底了 As the Flash Wolves were the ones who earned the Pool 1 berth for Worlds, it only seems fair that they are the ones who will take advantage of it. They beat ahq in Round 2 of the 2016 LMS Summer Split Playoffs, and absolutely smashed J-Team in the Finals -- who were favourites in the region -- to earn their rightful place at Worlds as the No. 1 seed from the LMS. 閃電狼在總冠軍賽打贏了「奪冠熱門JT」 Something to note about this team is just how long they have been playing together. Most of the members have been on the Flash Wolves roster for years now. The only difference in their roster from the Worlds 2015 team -- which finished above ROX Tigers in Group A -- is they've swapped their longtime captain, Steak, out for MMD. Though it’s worth noting that Steak is now their analyst and coach, and MMD had been their substitute top laner for years and was already highly entrenched in the team. 他們今年人員沒變,只把上路從牛排換成MMD,而且牛排也是繼續當分析師跟教練 How do they make it out of the group? Through their primary carries Karsa and Maple. It’s no secret this is how Flash Wolves like to play. Karsa is a carry jungler who is incredibly proactive and puts a lot of his early attention toward the mid lane to make sure Maple gets ahead. If Maple gets ahead and they can successfully snowball that lead into the side lanes, then they should be able to take games off the best of them in Group B. With superior team synergy. This is a team that has been working together for a long time. It is the same roster that performed well at MSI and almost the same roster that made it out of groups back at Worlds 2015. Consistency of roster is something that is hugely underlooked. These guys have plenty of experience playing together internationally and may be able to use this experience to take wins off some of the greener teams in Cloud9 and I May. How do they go home early? Through having a very basic win condition. The same reason why Flash Wolves could make it out of groups is also a double-edged sword for the team. They heavily rely on Maple and Karsa to carry, but if either of them fall behind it becomes incredibly problematic for the rest of the team. If Karsa gets out-pathed or out-jungled, they will struggle. Also, relying on Maple in a group with Faker, Jensen, and Athena is not something you’d set your watch to. Which brings me to my next point... 閃電狼的套路就是靠Karsa跟媽寶carry 如果這兩個carry不起來,FW就完蛋 因為B組有Faker Jensen Athena,所以媽寶很難carry, Their weaker side lanes get exposed. MMD in the top lane is going to have a very rough time against the other top laners in this group. Impact, Duke, and AmazingJ are all incredibly tough lane opponents. Much like they played with Steak, MMD is often left on an island, and being stuck on an island with Impact isn’t something you’re going to send a postcard home about. On top of this, NL and SwordArt are arguably the weakest of the bot lane duos competing in the group. 閃電郎弱點是 上路MMD會被Impact Duke 神J奇壓爛,然後蛇蛇+NL是這組最爛的下路 My prediction: 4th place I don’t think Flash Wolves are a bad team. I really don’t. But in this group I feel like they are going to have an incredibly hard time with the matchups that they’re facing. Karsa will work around Maple, and if he does, then the losing lanes will fall even further behind. Even if Maple does get ahead, the problem will eventually spill over into mid. Karsa may be the best jungler in the group, and while I think that the jungle role has been empowered on this patch, I don’t think it will be enough to pull Flash Wolves out of groups and into the Quarterfinals. There isn’t a lot that separates the teams in Group B, but I think Flash Wolves will end their time in San Francisco in 4th place. 他預測閃電狼第四名不是說閃電狼是爛隊,他甚至認為Karsa是這組最好的JG 但是不夠把閃電狼carry進八強。 -- 總之就是認為你上下路都最爛 中野carry不起來啦 ^__< 感謝官方冥燈支持 --

06/17 10:13,
會需要拿數據就代表你的言論根本沒說服力了
06/17 10:13
民明書房 - 《印象派大師的終結奧義》 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 114.34.51.10 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/LoL/M.1474511449.A.BE3.html ※ 編輯: Justice5566 (114.34.51.10), 09/22/2016 10:32:23

09/22 10:32, , 1F
我覺得FW排第四還好 C9第一是?
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09/22 10:32, , 2F
這分析也太銅了吧
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09/22 10:33, , 3F
C9>FW 就算了 C9>SKT?????
09/22 10:33, 3F
C9第一的原因 最強的上路,季後賽單殺25次,是Duke兩倍 (Impact又不是打LCK) meteos的KDA比Blanc好 (天啊你有注意到他們是不同聯賽嗎) 其他三路不是最好也不是最爛所以小組第一 哇靠這個分析真的太銅了 ※ 編輯: Justice5566 (114.34.51.10), 09/22/2016 10:35:26

09/22 10:33, , 4F
2013把牛排換成mms?
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Mmd
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09/22 10:34, , 6F
看來結果很明顯了,上下扛住小勝,中野凱瑞打出破口
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我也是覺得C9第一太浮誇XDD 當SKT吃素?
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這分析隨便找LOL版鄉民也寫得出來
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JT最受歡迎? 是不把起Q放在眼裡喔
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09/22 10:35, , 10F
真他媽低能分析 沒看比賽就閉嘴
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09/22 10:35, , 11F
就不要結果是C9是墊底 LOL
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說C9跟IM爭第二張 然後排C9第一 有事嗎...
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就算我不是狼粉也不能忍, 真是瞧不起人的說法啊
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09/22 10:35, , 14F
沒看就能評 我上去評都行 要你們這些低能幹嘛
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09/22 10:36, , 15F
預測就看看笑笑就好 幹嘛認真...
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C9比KDA那段是最扯的
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那拜託解釋為啥c9第一 除了上路有可能贏 中下路
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09/22 10:36, , 18F
今年NA很有去年CN的影子 賽前都吹上天了
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都屌輸skt...
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推文我有回了 就是比KDA啊 忘了兩個是不同聯盟 就像拿SBL成績去說志傑比林書豪強一樣 XD

09/22 10:36, , 20F
把那些頂多韓服白金上路打爆=超強!
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09/22 10:36, , 21F
什麼時候 NA強度和LCK是一樣了 LOL
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電狼第四還好,C9排第一真的廢到笑
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一個張飛打岳飛的概念XDDDDDDD
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※ 編輯: Justice5566 (114.34.51.10), 09/22/2016 10:37:19

09/22 10:37, , 24F
受不了這種白痴文章還能登上官方
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笑了 XD LMS最受歡迎是JT
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09/22 10:38, , 26F
其實跟AHQ差不多啊~要不是C組有外卡,AHQ大概也第四
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恭喜FW
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講的SBL拿場均20比NBA場均15分強一樣
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看到C9第一,直接end
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SKT近期表現蠻抖的吧 不過不同聯賽很難說
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剩沒幾天就能讓他們脫褲子囉~~
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09/22 10:40, , 32F
真的 拿na那種聯賽跟lck比
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XD
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比kda真的很扯 他知不知道兩隊打不同聯賽啊= =
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還有 47 則推文
還有 3 段內文
09/22 11:02, , 82F
在他們眼裡NA跟LCK實力是一樣的...
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笑死
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等等 剛剛仔細看 這篇檢討MMD的篇幅比NL長耶 到
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這人看過幾場LMS的比賽?這樣就敢發
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C9中路除了會玩維迦以外就是個二線水準 別鬧了
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坐等褲子
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神J奇>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MMD XD
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來阿 這分析笑死
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單殺NA上路跟單殺LCK上路比是三小喔XDDDDD
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其他路不說 SKT雙carry打C9幾條街阿
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拜託.. Duke季賽打得上路那些人 Impact打哪些菜
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09/22 11:17, , 93F
這專欄 也太好寫.. 看KDA 數據就能發? 鄉民都能當了
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今年的LCK上路水準非常非常高
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Duke對上的可是Smeb
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應該說 impact本來就lck出身 單殺25次 因為你們na
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就沒個top 夠打啊 北七
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其實比較像是
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C9和SKT反過來就剛剛好
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北美又沒像smeb一樣的上路夠跟impact對幹 impact當
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然屌虐
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這排名我喜歡
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C9跟IM競爭第二張門票 然後C9第一 Kappa
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這作者真他媽的低能 不同聯賽的數據都可以拿來說嘴
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難道說我在銅牌30殺會跟精英拿30一樣價值嗎?
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數據分析師哈哈哈哈
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要分析也能狀況.meta.戰略.腳色池來講 比kda很腦
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中國隊深不可測XDDD
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Bang一個人應該就可以打爆C9
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可憐咪,預測被各隊上路當兒子打
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謝謝支持
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看不同聯賽的kda來分析 太丟臉啦吧 espn都沒那麼銅
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這分析師 高中有畢業嗎...
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聯賽差那麼多 KDA跟單殺可以這樣比喔 長見識XDD
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連他們國內也酸吧,這種文章膨脹太多了ㄏ
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寫這分析的人有看過LMS嗎? 他的JT好像哪裡怪怪的
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銅言銅語
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毒奶一波
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C9 C9得第一
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說得挺對的 上下路不是墊底也是第三
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他們怎麼可以一直自慰馬上忘了過去的痛
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