Re: [問題] 到底在悲憤什麼...?
看板Hearthstone作者chen8958 (chen8958)時間8年前 (2016/02/04 04:37)推噓25(25推 0噓 106→)留言131則, 21人參與討論串9/10 (看更多)
其實真的蠻受不了有些人一直跳針
我想應該要去詳細看看bz的新聞稿
※ 引述《wree45 (天月)》之銘言:
: 明明以後就是多一種新的模式-標準模式
: 原本的開放模式跟現在沒什麼兩樣(還多了9格可以放排組)
: 天梯也可以挑原本的爬
: 標準模式真的有差別的也只有比賽玩家而已
: 一堆人到底在悲憤什麼?
: 大部分的人到最後還不是抄牌照打上R5(開放模式也有天梯獎勵)
: (還不用怕說欸幹我這個副本沒開那個卡包沒抽到)
: 結果一堆人在悲憤以前花的錢跟垃圾一樣
: 那你就不用改變繼續在開放模式玩你的肚肚伐木機就好了啊
: 這樣錢就沒白花了吧!?啊,新模式?
: 不關你的事
官方舉辦的職業賽事也將以標準模式為主,爐邊聚會不限形式,而若要獲得積分只能在標
準模式下的比賽才可以。
這段話從巴哈的新聞稿節錄的,官網部分不知道為何沒提及
國文及格的都應該知道BZ很明顯要強推標準模式吧
在強推標準模式之下,開放模式的META絕對慘烈(這板上文章有提,不贅述)
慘烈到可能比現今META還要破壞遊戲體驗的牌組組合
在這個情況下大部分的玩家都會被迫改玩標準
這時各位反對的人就會說標準平衡,很好阿
請注意就是因為有強推標準模式,BZ才能名正言順不顧舊卡組合的平衡出新卡
一區的平衡都顧不好了,你覺得BZ有這種能力顧到兩區的平衡嗎??這答案太明顯了
這樣你還能說新模式不關其他玩家的事嗎??
另外有人提到平衡那麼簡單你來平衡
我沒拿BZ的薪水,平衡是BZ的工作,干我屁事阿
這就不得不提LOL,時常關注META的調整,雖然有時改動會招致民怨
不過平衡性還算是還過得去
最後來提及造成那麼大爭議的主因:
我查查了bz這則消息下面的留言
雖然歐美玩家好像大部分注重於不能買副本(相對於補償)
不過還是有提及到不少
抓幾個人氣的
Blizzard is even wiping Wild mode from the competitive scene. Esports will
only feature standard mode. Standard mode is now the "official" hearthstone
mode. This will probably annoy f2p players like me who have saved up dust for
minions like boom and malganis only to find out that they can only be used in
a "fun" mode made only to try old cards.
bz想將開放模式從公開比賽刪除,esport將只會有標準模式。標準模式將成為爐石的"官方
模式",這將會惹惱像我這種免費玩家存塵為了爆爆和馬爾,而最後只能在所謂"fun"mode
之下使用他
I really don't like the idea of not being able to buy the old expansions, they
are always fun to play, now it will make those card backs impossible to
obtain from the heroic versions. Also I think "Gone Wild" should be renamed
as "Standard" so they are flipped and remain the format used in all
competitions. I still think this new "Standard" version is cool but I think
it should be seen as secondary to "Gone Wild" since that is what we have
always known and worked hard to get all our cards for, even if it is slightly
unfriendly to new players(they can still have a lot of fun with "Standard").
Sorry for the essay! Thanks if you read it all!
我不喜歡這種不能買舊擴充包的作法,這些牌很好玩,但這些卡的卡背再無法從英雄模式
獲得。此外,我覺得開放模式應該取代標準模式在所有比賽之中我仍覺得標準模式很cool
但應該次於開放模式,因為我們很努力想取得和使用我們所有的卡片,即便這對新手不友
善(但他們仍可以玩標準模式),謝謝你閱讀
這個我覺得不錯,一樣達到新手友善目的,但我敢賭bz絕對不會這樣改
So all those cards I spent money on become worthless?
所以我花錢買的卡將會變垃圾?
這是大家最想知道的問題,我覺得8成會
This is the sort of thing that sounds terrible at first and is a bit of a
hard sell--but then you keep reading and see that they seriously thought of
everything.
What a wonderful way to shift the philosophy of the game going forward and
ensure actual longevity and freedom for creativity. Now they won't have to
keep looking back and power-creeping to keep us interested. That's a huge
factor. I love it.
I also can't wait to see what comes of Wild mode after a few years of this.
Welcome to the jungle, where "balance" is but a fanciful ideal of a time gone
by. ;-)
這是諸如此類的事情,起初聽起來很可怕的,是有點強買強賣的 - 但你繼續看下去,看
他們認真思考一切。
多麼美妙的方式轉向了遊戲的理念向前發展,並確保實際創造性長壽和自由。現在,他們
不必繼續尋找回來,一直power-creeping來維持遊戲熱度。這是一個巨大的因素。 我喜歡
它。
我也迫不及待地想看到野生模式,幾年後這會發生什麼。歡迎來到叢林,這裡的“平衡”
不過是由走了一次荒謬的想法。 ;-)
開放模式平衡這點國外也注意到了,po覺得這制度實行真的和其他玩家沒關係??
Ok, so, I get the balance behind this decision. Now, in order to make it "not
an economical decision" believable, let us disenchant for full dust price
every expansion that goes away from Standard the month it goes out. Just like
nerfed cards work.
好!!我了解它背後的選擇,為了讓玩家相信這次改動不是為了bz的經濟考量,在每次擴充
包在標準模式汰換時退全額魔塵,就像nerf卡一樣
這位網友說得好,看似平息眾怒的唯一解,但我敢賭bz不會做,因為這改動就是為了賺$$
阿!!
還有很多,大家可以上去看,要打我臉的快打歡迎打,但麻煩請言之有理,不要用那種崩
潰式的發言
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