Re: [心得] solo rating 低分地獄

看板DotA2作者 (Wider still and wider)時間11年前 (2014/05/26 22:59), 11年前編輯推噓36(404172)
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看到這篇讓我不禁想浮出水面分享一些東西 以下是某實況玩家(rating美洲積分53xx)在他自介的最後給有心想變強的玩家的建議 由於他一開始就標明了是內心話,所以口氣相當嗆XD 不過我簡單翻譯時會把它改得委婉一點,以免觸犯板規 My real talk 我的真心話 Hey whats up dota player? Oh, you're wondering why you have the rating you have? Let me spit some real talk and maybe you'll think about it and improve because of it. 嘿,怎麼了,dota玩家?喔,你正在思考為什麼你會只停留在你現有的積分嗎?讓我打開天 窗說些亮話吧,也許你會思考它並因它而有所進步 First of all, the rating you've earned after you've played 300+ games is accurate. No you're not the exception. No you don't get shitty teams every single game and that's the reason why you lose. No you really shouldn't be in a higher bracket or have higher rating... you just suck. Just get used to it. No matter how many times you make a new account or how many times you reset your stats, your shit isn't going to get "fixed" and you aren't going to magically be much higher rated then you were before. I'm tired of hearing about how bad your teams are every game and how you dominate your lane every game and your team just feeds the game away. There is a common denominator in your game history of losses, and it's you. So sack up, stfu, and accept that you suck, and learn to get better. Oh you understand now? good. Here's some tips to help you get better, because i've played a couple of different games at the top level, and i think i have a pretty good understanding of how to get good at something. 首先,在你打超過300場遊戲以後所獲得的積分是準確的,不,你絕對不是例外。不,你絕 對不會每場都得跟豬頭隊友一起打,而這正是你會輸的原因,不,你真的不應該出現在更 高的層級或得到更高的積分...你就是爛,習慣它吧。不管你再怎麼重開新帳號或再怎麼重 洗數據,你的問題都不會自動"修復",你也絕不會魔術般的獲得比你之前高很多的積分。 我已經厭倦聽到那些關於"每場遊戲你的隊友有多爛多爛","你把你那路對手電的多慘,而 你的隊友每次都狂送把整場遊戲都送掉"。有一個共同的分母存在你敗場歷史當中,那就是 你。所以stfu,承認你的爛,並且學習如何變得更好。喔,你現在了解了嗎?很好,這裡有 些提示可以幫助你變得更好,因為我在不少我玩過的遊戲當中都打到最高層級,所以我想 我相當了解如何在一個遊戲中變好 1.Recognize your mistakes. Try to find one or two things out of each game you play (win or loss) that you could have done better 1.發現你的錯誤,試著從你玩過的場中(不論輸贏)找出你可以做得更好的一或兩件事 2.Learn from those mistakes. Think over the scenario again and try to find what you needed to do correctly, instead of the fail play you made. 2.從錯誤中學習。重新思考過整個場景並找出當時你應該做的事,而不是你所犯的錯誤 3.Find someone better then you that you can learn from. Find a friend or a random guy in a pub that you can play with consistently to learn from and ask questions 找一個比你強的學習對象,找個朋友或隨便一個pub上你可以經常向他學習或問問題的人 4.You're not better then a pro player. If for some ungodly reason you are better then a pro player, you would have been noticed already. But, but, CARD... i don't know any pro players!!! If you're actually good enough to be on a pro team, you would be consistently playing against pro players in MM and they will notice you, if you're good enough. 4.你絕不會比一個pro強,如果有什麼天殺的原因讓你比一個pro強,你早就被發掘了。但 是...但是...CARD,我不認識任何pro玩家!!!如果你真的強到夠資格待在一個pro team裡 ,你會經常跟pro玩家一起打matchmaking而他們會認得你,如果你夠強的話。 5.Lastly, stop pretending like you know what you're talking about. Don't scream at your team when you die and blame them for failing, feeding, sucking, being a noob/russian. Chances are the reason you died was because something you did. Not to say everytime it is, but most of the time your position, decision to farm, bad timing caused your death. 5. 最後,不要假裝你知道你在說什麼,當你死掉的時候不要對你的隊友咆嘯或怪他們fail ,feed,suck或是noob。通常你會死是因為你做的某件事,並不是說每次都是,但大部分 時候你的位置,farm的決定,或時機的掌握是導致你死亡的主因。 If you read this and still think you don't suck. You're probably retarded. Every single player in the world has room for improvement in one way or another. The good players recognize it, the bad players are blind. 如果你看完這些後仍然認為你不爛,那你可能是個腦X。世界上的每個玩家或多或少都有進 步的空間,好的玩家會辨認出它們,爛的玩家則完全無視。 以上這些建議,希望能對原po有所幫助,因為照理說如果你真的夠厲害,你在低分地獄應 該是要大屠殺他們的(我以前就搞過這種事,高分場打太累,就故意用分身帳號狂輸把積分 洗低然後去低分地獄大屠殺XD),在低分場千萬別當什麼support,你support一堆賺錢龜速 的隊友毫無意義,就算他們農了幾十分鐘後終於滿身神裝,也別期待他們會在對的時間點 做對的事,最好的方式就是你自己選單中英雄,把中路壓爆,然後整場等級裝備領先並自 己買眼控符再順便把其他兩路殺爆,從而奠定勝局,如果你夠強,這就是你在低分場中唯 一該做的事,希望你能盡早擺脫低分地獄囉! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 61.228.94.209 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/DotA2/M.1401116366.A.400.html ※ 編輯: Darkside18 (61.228.94.209), 05/26/2014 23:07:28

05/26 23:12, , 1F
另外,多看高手的實況也有助於觀念技術的提升,學習他
05/26 23:12, 1F

05/26 23:13, , 2F
們的打法跟觀念,並加以練習,久而久之你的實力會提升
05/26 23:13, 2F

05/26 23:13, , 3F
很多,有空的話多看看吧
05/26 23:13, 3F

05/26 23:20, , 4F
想玩到pro得投入的時間..屎兒一輩子都難達到..
05/26 23:20, 4F

05/26 23:22, , 5F
沒錯,不過基本的觀念是可以建立起來的,技術需要時間
05/26 23:22, 5F

05/26 23:23, , 6F
練習,但觀念這東西投資報酬率是很高的
05/26 23:23, 6F

05/26 23:24, , 7F
低分場的玩家觀念都很差,如果你的觀念比他們好,應該
05/26 23:24, 7F

05/26 23:24, , 8F
是有機會擺脫他們的
05/26 23:24, 8F

05/26 23:30, , 9F
第5點好眼熟,感覺常常看到XD
05/26 23:30, 9F

05/26 23:49, , 10F
樓上,這就是低分場最常見的狀況XD
05/26 23:49, 10F

05/26 23:54, , 11F
不,我指的不是那種眼熟XDD ;;
05/26 23:54, 11F

05/26 23:55, , 12F
原來你指的是後半段...XD?
05/26 23:55, 12F

05/27 00:04, , 13F
不過低等場不要打SUP是真的...我切身經驗= =a
05/27 00:04, 13F

05/27 00:13, , 14F
低分場就是,你農的比他們快,殺的比他們大 = 贏
05/27 00:13, 14F

05/27 00:16, , 15F
推!
05/27 00:16, 15F

05/27 00:53, , 16F
低等場 選sup就不要當sup打
05/27 00:53, 16F

05/27 00:56, , 17F
低等場要爬上來就是選sa然後三線殺爆就贏了
05/27 00:56, 17F

05/27 00:58, , 18F
因為對面會只有頂多一個人買眼然後撐不住然後被blame
05/27 00:58, 18F

05/27 00:58, , 19F
然後對面就吵架了
05/27 00:58, 19F

05/27 09:37, , 20F
4k也常常只有一個人買眼啊orz
05/27 09:37, 20F

05/27 10:55, , 21F
4K場很多人都雜在一起...
05/27 10:55, 21F

05/27 10:56, , 22F
這邊實力起伏我覺得比底下一層更詭異
05/27 10:56, 22F

05/27 18:45, , 23F
4k我是覺得常見是有觀念的沒操作或反之 然後會玩的英
05/27 18:45, 23F

05/27 18:45, , 24F
雄不夠
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05/27 18:46, , 25F
第5點當你看到隊友TP你上去打人 打到最後死掉才發現
05/27 18:46, 25F

05/27 18:46, , 26F
隊友TP取消 嗆說我怎知道你要上 你就知道合不合理了
05/27 18:46, 26F

05/27 18:47, , 27F
會玩跟不會玩 操作是其次 最重要是配合的意識
05/27 18:47, 27F

05/27 18:47, , 28F
有時候湊出剛好互補的玩家就很強,都只會c的就很慘
05/27 18:47, 28F

05/27 18:48, , 29F
當你隊伍311或是隊友優勢路雙控打人家劣單 人家有等
05/27 18:48, 29F

05/27 18:48, , 30F
只有一個人買眼其實還算正常
05/27 18:48, 30F

05/27 18:48, , 31F
級有經驗 你就知道了 在11創一堆號想衝破1650的心得
05/27 18:48, 31F

05/27 18:49, , 32F
優勢方輔助有錢 自然有眼就買
05/27 18:49, 32F

05/27 18:49, , 33F
通常是劣勢比較會發生其他人幫忙眼 因為輔助沒錢
05/27 18:49, 33F

05/27 18:52, , 34F
會不會買眼 個人感覺跟優劣勢無關 跟會不會玩有關
05/27 18:52, 34F

05/27 18:52, , 35F
中單屠夫 不管被壓多慘 6級左右就一定要補眼控F
05/27 18:52, 35F

05/27 18:53, , 36F
管你是不是RANDOM在REPICK又已經包J了
05/27 18:53, 36F

05/27 18:54, , 37F
像我個人玩的腳色 就絕對視角色決定是否包眼
05/27 18:54, 37F

05/27 18:54, , 38F
不會哭說 我一個人包怎樣又怎樣 該包就是包 不需要出
05/27 18:54, 38F

05/27 18:54, , 39F
這就是有差了 屠夫殺到人 有錢自然會買眼買霧
05/27 18:54, 39F
還有 137 則推文
05/29 17:11, , 177F
69最近都用死騎坑人
05/29 17:11, 177F

05/29 17:23, , 178F
他就愛玩那種準會被nerf的英雄,nerf完就變坑貨
05/29 17:23, 178F

05/29 18:02, , 179F
69不都是BS、PA、阿福三寶嗎
05/29 18:02, 179F

05/29 18:20, , 180F
09出視頻就是吸引兒子們去買他的淘寶,哪邊觀眾多就玩
05/29 18:20, 180F

05/29 18:57, , 181F
09骷髏卡根本敗壞DOTA環境
05/29 18:57, 181F

05/29 18:59, , 182F
09 op..他dota1的dota提高班惠我良多
05/29 18:59, 182F

05/30 13:13, , 183F
看mmr評斷一個玩家跟看勝率一樣意思,只是分的更細而已
05/30 13:13, 183F

05/30 13:16, , 184F
高分群未必個個高手,低分也未必每個都很菜,還是討論戰
05/30 13:16, 184F

05/30 13:16, , 185F
術英雄出裝bp比較有意義吧..
05/30 13:16, 185F

05/31 02:40, , 186F
solo rank到ㄧ定的場數以上,高分群未必高手,但還是比低
05/31 02:40, 186F

05/31 02:41, , 187F
分群的強,如果之前國外高手mmr測試文準的話
05/31 02:41, 187F

05/31 10:53, , 188F
分數高可能代表會玩的英雄多一點,遇到的坑貨少一點
05/31 10:53, 188F

05/31 13:07, , 189F
英雄要有專精的才爬的起來,多沒啥用
05/31 13:07, 189F

05/31 15:05, , 190F
衝分真的只能玩專精的. 膩了可以到普通玩Random..
05/31 15:05, 190F

05/31 15:38, , 191F
如果只專精一隻,能衝到幾分啊@@
05/31 15:38, 191F

05/31 16:07, , 192F
4k7
05/31 16:07, 192F

05/31 22:08, , 193F
樣樣通樣樣鬆 專精分數一定比較高阿
05/31 22:08, 193F

05/31 23:00, , 194F
一些針對型比較建議練的. BS剋storm/voker/timer.
05/31 23:00, 194F

05/31 23:02, , 195F
pugna剋法師團, AA剋水人或跟FV/WK可combo.
05/31 23:02, 195F

05/31 23:03, , 196F
Sladar剋隱英. 缺先手玩axe. 這是我比較常玩的
05/31 23:03, 196F

05/31 23:05, , 197F
對手沒大招硬控> 死書狼人.. 這幾隻操作都算滿好練的
05/31 23:05, 197F

05/31 23:06, , 198F
為了衝高分只玩少數英雄,少了很多樂趣,一切都是空..
05/31 23:06, 198F

05/31 23:10, , 199F
有一好沒兩好, 不然就是放棄rank直接玩普通碰運氣
05/31 23:10, 199F

05/31 23:11, , 200F
只是優質的5v5比較少見..
05/31 23:11, 200F

05/31 23:17, , 201F
台灣人能像11主播們以dota為生天天打的太少了..靠熱情..
05/31 23:17, 201F

05/31 23:59, , 202F
掏寶賣那麼兇, 網頁遊戲代言那麼多. 當然有熱情XD
05/31 23:59, 202F

06/01 00:01, , 203F
其實我也滿想看PIS玩dota2的 看路人王就是有樂趣
06/01 00:01, 203F

06/01 10:12, , 204F
rank就是拚技術啊,你技術夠加點運氣就會上去
06/01 10:12, 204F

06/01 10:12, , 205F
for fun就打普通不是嗎
06/01 10:12, 205F

06/01 11:45, , 206F
PIS有打dota2啊,記得之前是LGD.cdec的中單
06/01 11:45, 206F

06/01 11:46, , 207F
然後屌打高麗棒子,那場我有押贏所以滿有印象的
06/01 11:46, 207F

06/01 11:47, , 208F
不過後來戰積不怎樣之後就消聲暱蹟了
06/01 11:47, 208F

06/01 12:55, , 209F
去韓國那次是同福3隊
06/01 12:55, 209F

06/01 13:44, , 210F
喔喔 樓上正解 我記錯了
06/01 13:44, 210F

06/01 13:44, , 211F
後來勒@@? 沒在追這隊所以也不知下文了
06/01 13:44, 211F

06/02 10:18, , 212F
後來我也不知道了XD 就消失了
06/02 10:18, 212F

06/02 11:18, , 213F
很多人說pis不復當年勇,後來我也很少看實況,只看視頻
06/02 11:18, 213F

06/02 15:41, , 214F
pis還是有dota1 的影片 粉絲還是挺多. 但是這些粉絲只
06/02 15:41, 214F

06/02 15:41, , 215F
玩dota1...對岸玩dota2還不夠多...
06/02 15:41, 215F

06/02 15:43, , 216F
明明已經好多中國戰隊都拿到dota2的好成績..
06/02 15:43, 216F
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