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[閒聊] 治世之賢臣、亂世之庸人？

[ SAN ]69 留言, 推噓總分: +24

作者: a0802459 - 發表於 2021/12/04 10:56(2年前)

8^F推tim1112: 底下大族都曹賊同路人QQ12/04 15:30

Re: [問題]曹操厚待關羽（關羽刺顏良）

[ SAN ]70 留言, 推噓總分: +16

作者: leisesnow - 發表於 2021/11/20 21:27(2年前)

1^F推tim1112: 還是有點扯除非關羽或他的馬能瞬間移動不然一路上就算11/20 21:30

2^F→tim1112: 顏良叫部下當肉墊掩護自己逃走也應該不會馬上被殺才對11/20 21:30

[問題]曹操厚待關羽是不是在營造愛才惜才的形象

[ SAN ]11 留言, 推噓總分: +7

作者: lockgolden - 發表於 2021/11/07 19:15(2年前)

10^F推tim1112: 張遼並沒有不亞於關羽吧他從來沒得到這種評價過11/08 16:52

[討論] 張飛呂布等人不可能無腦吧

[ SAN ]114 留言, 推噓總分: +22

作者: hitler941627 - 發表於 2021/08/23 15:43(2年前)

108^F推tim1112: 我到覺得呂布是吃定高順死忠不會反不然這樣對待高順有08/25 19:56

109^F→tim1112: 事時才把兵給他難道不怕高順臨陣反叛嗎08/25 19:57

110^F→tim1112: 但這樣就是軟土深鋤高順越忠呂布就越肆無忌憚欺負他08/25 19:57

[問題] 鍾繇為什麼70幾歲還能生鍾會？

[ SAN ]69 留言, 推噓總分: +17

作者: souldragon - 發表於 2021/08/21 13:54(2年前)

37^F推tim1112: 那是好男色嗎08/21 21:56

[閒聊] 孫堅是英雄？

[ SAN ]54 留言, 推噓總分: +21

作者: a0802459 - 發表於 2021/07/01 07:53(2年前)

40^F推tim1112: 劉真正捅過的是劉璋但他可沒殺過哪個名義老大頂多出走07/03 13:08

41^F→tim1112: 而已07/03 13:08

42^F→tim1112: 反觀呂布殺兩個捅劉備刀去雙袁那都不歡而散07/03 13:09

[閒聊] 袁紹是智者？

[ SAN ]25 留言, 推噓總分: +11

作者: a0802459 - 發表於 2021/06/30 13:12(2年前)

11^F→tim1112: 當時也有說殺宦官找幾個典獄官就夠了06/30 20:00

12^F→tim1112: 可能是高估武裝宦官的威力畢竟那些士族戰鬥經驗也不高06/30 20:01

[問題] 袁紹的戰略該如何才能不敗？

[ SAN ]119 留言, 推噓總分: +30

作者: InGodwetrust - 發表於 2021/06/28 22:06(2年前)

6^F推tim1112: 劉表陣中一堆阿瞞同路人沒戲啦06/28 22:51

7^F→tim1112: 休養生息壯大國力假設袁紹壽命還是沒變依樣是內鬥自爆06/28 22:53

8^F→tim1112: 田沮想龜起來種田但他們從來沒說要怎麼解決自家的派系問06/28 22:53

9^F→tim1112: 題甚至他們自己就是派系06/28 22:54

10^F→tim1112: 曹操身處中心四方都有外敵趁其陣腳未穩時先發制人我覺得06/28 22:54

11^F→tim1112: 不能算錯誤決定郭審等主戰派的問題是他們太高估自家人所06/28 22:55

12^F→tim1112: 以真正上場時被一連串失誤搞到自毀06/28 22:55

13^F→tim1112: 當然還有無可避免的天災比如雖然大家都知道顏良性狹但06/28 22:56

14^F→tim1112: 最終他不算死於此而是遇到無可抵禦的神將06/28 22:56

15^F→tim1112: 採用田沮的方式也可以但前提是龜起來的這段時間務必要搞06/28 22:57

16^F→tim1112: 定派系跟繼承人06/28 22:57

50^F推tim1112: 所以我材說就算用田沮的方案處理派系可能都還比種田優06/29 16:00

51^F→tim1112: 先06/29 16:00

79^F推tim1112: 烏巢之前曹操就有針對袁紹糧隊攻擊了06/30 18:58

80^F推tim1112: 袁紹劉表很像之處在於他們的強盛都離不開當地豪強但當地06/30 19:01

81^F→tim1112: 豪強各有各的問題劉那邊事都挺曹操袁那邊是豪族內鬥又06/30 19:02

82^F→tim1112: 搭上繼承人之爭06/30 19:02

83^F→tim1112: 不過曹操底下名家也不少有沒有曹操底下派系或大族的記載06/30 19:03

Re: [討論] 關羽失荊州得到平反

[ SAN ]81 留言, 推噓總分: +17

作者: mybelief - 發表於 2021/06/20 04:22(2年前)

3^F推tim1112: 背叛公孫可能是指接徐州牧那時有發信吹一下袁紹吧06/20 08:31

4^F推tim1112: 但是話說回來當時徐州面對曹操兵禍跑去結好曹操名義老06/20 08:32

5^F→tim1112: 大袁紹某種程度上也是愛民之舉畢竟先後見之明是硬幹穩06/20 08:33

6^F推tim1112: 死而且若劉備當真背叛公孫怎不見後者的青州代理人田06/20 08:35

7^F→tim1112: 楷有任何動作公孫或田可是連書信指責都沒有06/20 08:36

8^F→tim1112: 至於後面真正投靠袁紹該時公孫早已完蛋也不存在背叛06/20 08:37

Re: [閒聊] 關於西涼董家軍

[ SAN ]3 留言, 推噓總分: +3

作者: Houei - 發表於 2021/06/19 14:03(2年前)

1^F→tim1112: 不過為什麼段系打鮮卑會慘敗是田夏名過於實還是有其他06/18 20:25

2^F推tim1112: 不利因素？06/18 20:27

4^F推tim1112: 感謝解惑所以一開始就是時機太壞自己人都不看好的征戰了06/19 18:52

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