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1F推:那個...在媒抗版找記者....可能有點困難吧....??12/14 01:00
105F推:嗯...原PO可以說一下轉這篇過來是為什麼嗎??12/14 00:05
106F→:啊 我看到了 血流如"柱"......這......12/14 00:06
108F→:囧> 剛好與原PO同時間推文沒看到....抱歉.....12/14 00:08
1F推:XDDDDD 我笑了 這個對比好!!12/13 15:21
1F推:原PO 中時有提到"李表示物超所值" 而聯合也有提到"中研12/13 01:22
2F→:院院長說花大錢也值得" 所以算是兩方的聲音都有報導到了12/13 01:22
3F→:並不像原PO所說"只有自由指出" 要質疑聯合中時應是放在12/13 01:23
4F→:標題及兩方說法的篇幅比例來講起會比較好一點吧12/13 01:24
6F→:話說中時那個"物超所值"還用引號引起來 實在是...= =||12/13 01:25
8F→:不過 難得收集了四家報社的報導 推一個原PO的用心!!12/13 01:35
11F→:如果論的東西就可以免了 想東想西倒不如把報導找出來比12/13 01:15
12F→:對出來PO在版上比較實際12/13 01:16
4F推:推這篇 國外對教授比台灣對教授優待太多了12/12 01:30
1F推:辛苦原PO了= = 還特地去知識庫爬原文記錄出來....12/11 22:53
2F→:一樓 我的本意在於特稿可視為社論 社論本來就是報社立場12/11 20:14
3F→:取向的物品 又何來客觀公正之說??12/11 20:16
5F→:我的原意是要點出以特稿為社論是普遍的情況 何況也有人12/11 20:33
6F→:將特搞視為記者個人的解讀 如是個人解讀就一定有個人立12/11 20:33
7F→:場 與其要求有人視之為社論的特稿 針對一般的報導來檢討12/11 20:34
8F→:不是優先要記者改進的基本功嗎?12/11 20:36
13F→:R大 我想我知道我們的分歧點在哪了 我從來就不認為特稿12/11 20:45
14F→:乃至於社論有在媒抗討論的必要 今天某個角度的社論A看了12/11 20:45
15F→:覺得合理B看則未必 那是閱聽人與媒體角度本身相合與否的12/11 20:46
16F→:問題 跟一般的報導要求媒體要客觀公正的標準不同12/11 20:48
17F→:反過來說 今天如果此文在八卦版出現 我便不會有此推文12/11 20:49
18F→:何況在原文推文中已有出現就立場而非報導本身攻擊的推文12/11 20:50
19F→:如果論的是立場而非媒體報導 那似乎也不符合監督媒體的12/11 20:52
20F→:本意 所以我從來都不覺得特稿/社論有需要討論的必要性12/11 20:53
21F→:當然 我也沒權力禁止版友討論 不過在推文發表自己想法而12/11 20:54
22F→:已 沒想到卻有多數版友以為我幫中時護航 誤會一場 XD12/11 20:55
23F→:另外 我說的是"如果要說的話" 所以我一開始也沒有要檢討12/11 21:16
24F→:哪家特稿的意思 不過舉個與中時的相反端來做為例子罷了12/11 21:17
27F推:若要論到造謠報導自然有必要檢討 但是以原文來看 似乎僅12/11 21:50
28F→:有論及一個結果的不同解讀(儘管也許很偏頗沒錯) 尚不及12/11 21:50
30F→:明確造謠之程度?12/11 21:52
31F→:我知道啦 XD 我也只是說說我的觀點而已 別緊張 XDDD12/11 21:53
34F→:那也就是各人的看法不同摟 我尊重這種看法 但也沒必要把12/11 21:54
35F→:不同看法者特地回文以強烈口吻質疑(批鬥?)吧??12/11 21:55
36F→:同意的推文前面也有 被特地挑出來還真是受寵若驚呢 XDD12/11 21:56
41F推:我的立論本來就是跟開標題者不甚符合 原文在檢討中時特12/11 22:05
42F→:稿 我卻說特稿跟社論一樣 所以沒有討論之必要性 算是跳12/11 22:05
43F→:脫了原PO所討論的題目而討論題目本身的是否合討論性12/11 22:06
44F→:至於以自由為例 不過是強化"特稿皆被報社當社論用"的論12/11 22:07
45F→:點而已 n大不見馬上就有以為自由特稿皆公正者出來反駁12/11 22:08
46F→:我? 可見以為報社不將特稿當成社論者還是在啊....12/11 22:09
53F推:奇怪的是 於推文中持此論點者並非僅有我 何況也非由我先12/12 18:50
54F→:於推文中提出這個說法 卻只有我被點名需要另闢文章討論?12/12 18:51
55F→:原因是否是我拿"某家報社"舉例而被挑出 相信已經很清楚12/12 18:52
56F→:了 更有某些"理性"版友斷章取義 為了護某報而大加撻伐12/12 18:56
57F→:雖說這個版理性者不在少數 但是非理性者真令人不敢恭維12/12 18:57
58F推:另:關於是否該於媒抗版討論社論特稿者 在之前已有幾篇推12/12 19:04
59F→:文有所討論 將討論過的事一再拿出另闢文章似乎有洗版之12/12 19:05
60F→:嫌 是所以我始終沒有PO專文討論這一部份的原因12/12 19:06
64F推:我看這陣子還是算了 看到版上一些版友無意義的推文讓人12/13 01:09
65F→:心寒 我可不想一篇好好的討論文又被說成什麼"靠邀"或是"12/13 01:10
66F→:嘿嘿 到底是誰不理性"之類的無聊回應 要玩就他們自己去12/13 01:10
67F→:吧 我還是做轉載並檢討報導錯誤的初級工作就好12/13 01:11
15F→:8113篇已有回應 請原PO有興趣的話前往觀看12/11 20:06
17F推:樓上說的是 麻煩請原PO觀察各報特稿的時間再久一點吧12/11 23:52
18F→:還有請不要對推文斷章取義 我的重點明明是在第一句12/11 23:52
19F→:明明是說特稿跟社論一樣不值得討論 是誰說過要比爛的??12/11 23:54
22F推:嘿嘿 到底是誰被說到沒話說的?12/12 12:55
23F→:每次看到這種什麼也不看完的人 實在是...12/12 12:57
15F推:特稿本來就跟社論沒兩樣 要說的話另一端的自由也很糟糕12/11 12:08
16F→:就當做記者發泄的管道就好了 (茶)12/11 12:10
18F→:光說這篇糟也不能讓自由變好啊 XD 所以呢??12/11 12:13
19F→:還是先從基本功要求一般報導公正來吧 (茶)12/11 12:14
45F推:某樓 真的要拿自由特稿來探討的話 每週都有貨源喔12/11 19:41
46F→:只是 我實在不覺得拿特稿來討論有啥意思 連一般的基本功12/11 19:42
47F→:都做不好了 還要再高一層來看特稿??12/11 19:42
49F推:如果有版友討論如此不理性 那也只好如此了12/11 20:05