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5F→:但對我而言，主觀就已經可以是客觀了，因為我相信那是06/12 12:56
6F→:所以哪怕我被殺了，我都依然相信自己活著，那我也就能活06/12 12:56
7F→:在自己建構的世界中06/12 12:56
8F→:事實上，最早的鬼魂就是這樣創建陰界06/12 12:57
9F→:世界的創造也是因為一個高等意識的想像06/12 12:57
11F→:不不不，不一定是完全否定，有認同有否定06/12 12:58
12F→:我掌握選擇權，選擇權是最重要的06/12 12:58
14F→:當然，這是我之所以生為人的目的06/12 13:00
15F→:否則一再妥協，還不如自殺去06/12 13:00
16F→:我相信凡事堅持下去就能得到成果06/12 13:01
17F→:心念不動搖，天地為你笑06/12 13:01
19F→:對我來說你就是天地呀^^06/12 15:05
21F→:天地指的是「外在環境」的總稱，也是自我意識之外的總稱06/12 18:04
22F→:所以不管其他任何事物，只要會對我造成影響的都叫天地06/12 18:05
23F→:與外物磨合有時候單純靠內在緩不濟急，依舊要有物理應對06/12 18:06
24F→:好比發電機能發電，但發的電總有限，不可能無限制供應06/12 18:06
25F→:不過不斷升級的結果終究可以產生無限量的電力，如核融合06/12 18:07
26F→:這個升級過程就叫「人生」了06/12 18:07
27F→:說實在話，如果外在世界盡如人意，我活著要做啥？06/12 18:32
28F→:第一代母體太舒適，所有人都死光了，因為沒有進步空間06/12 18:32
29F→:話說回來，我依舊可以享受物質生活和美麗的地球啊06/12 18:38
30F→:「選擇」是可以隨時隨地變更只為了符合時間點上的需求的06/12 18:39
31F→:就像變頻冷氣那樣06/12 18:41
32F→:「怎麼有利，就怎麼配」，那個蹺蹺板圖很讚06/12 19:11
33F→:人生就像在場戲裡面玩遊戲一樣，逢場作戲的面具各有不同06/12 19:13
34F→:別太當真卻也不能太兒戲，隨機應變吧06/12 19:16
37F→:呃……我這個人沒有情緒喔06/12 22:22
38F→:我以為你打錯字了，查不到自爆跟哲學的關係06/12 22:23
1F→:1.你可以推文 2.只有想法，何來懷疑？06/11 22:47
4F→:的確如此……06/11 23:11
5F→:是我太字面詮釋的緣故吧06/11 23:12
8F→:的確是這樣06/12 12:22
9F→:如果你想轉很歡迎，我的文章一律拋棄著作權06/12 12:30
2F→:呵呵呵，你可以找駭客任務的Neo要06/11 13:11
4F→:一個良善的意識06/11 18:59
8F→:我＝意識，兩者是同樣的東西06/11 19:49
9F→:沒有意識豈不都變成植物人？06/11 19:49
10F→:原空的話，你我也不會在這討論事情06/11 19:50
15F→:在某個層級上來看，你我是同一個東西06/11 20:26
16F→:就算自己，也會有天使魔鬼，五臟四肢也並非完全統一意志06/11 20:27
17F→:所以人與人應謀合，而非妄分06/11 20:27
18F→:sat說得正是我的想法 there is no spoon06/11 20:28
19F→:只有自行的詮釋，控制詮釋就控制世界06/11 20:29
22F→:的確會的！06/11 21:59
23F→:http://0rz.tw/a64hJ06/11 22:01
24F→:Neo可以在母體和現實中擁有異能，是因為他相信自己可以06/11 22:03
25F→:不過再擴出一層去說，無論任何客觀環境，都是由自心所造06/11 22:04
26F→:即便主觀自欺欺人，也都是咎由自取06/11 22:05
27F→:只是因為我們的意識只能觀照極小部份，才沒發覺這點06/11 22:05
28F→:Neo開拓了自己的心靈世界，就是如此06/11 22:08
32F→:定義不會在表淺的意識，否則人人都是超人了06/11 22:22
33F→:呵，跟純理性的哲思差很遠沒錯06/11 22:23
34F→:命運比較像宿願，要改變它唯有開拓心靈，多行善事06/11 22:24
35F→:否則深層的意識本來就埋著很多地雷06/11 22:24
37F→:宗教像一種糖衣，不能幫人了解真相的06/11 22:26
38F→:要解脫唯有開發自性，自悟自覺06/11 22:27
39F→:我一直不懂為何西方哲學對心性很少提及06/11 22:29
40F→:是要輔助唯物的西方世界建立霸權嗎？06/11 22:29
41F→:不管如何，即便你給一個小孩量子力學和相對論06/11 22:38
42F→:他一樣可以推出恆星的存在06/11 22:39
43F→:用純理論推到最後也能推出心靈世界的，心開闊就沒問題06/11 22:39
45F→:噗～我也只是你心中一個幻影，何來最尊最勝？06/11 22:46
46F→:你才應該尊奉自己才對06/11 22:46
48F→:也對^^06/11 22:48
50F→:世事都是如此，還未逃脫只能接受幻影的束縛06/11 22:51
51F→:而時間還真是個關鍵不是嗎？06/11 22:52
52F→:哲學要是不能把視野完全開闊不如不學06/11 22:54
53F→:為何只獨鐘象牙塔，外面很漂亮的06/11 22:57
56F→:哲學是個開闊的名詞，你又何必拘束它？06/11 22:59
57F→:除了你自己無人可度化你，別被宗教騙子給誆了06/11 23:00
58F→:我只想問為什麼？有人這麼問過自己嗎？06/11 23:01
59F→:為什麼某些事物可以去束縛視野，如同一些學派之類06/11 23:01
61F→:為什麼自己的想法要被那些所謂大師所引導06/11 23:01
62F→:渡化並不開闊，引渡比較大點06/11 23:03
64F→:渡化太外在了你不覺得嗎？06/11 23:03
66F→:是啊，能有問題才有進步06/11 23:03
67F→:因為你說「您又何必拘束它？」06/11 23:04
68F→:那你對渡化的看法是如何？06/11 23:04
71F→:所有幫助人的態度都叫渡化嗎？06/11 23:05
73F→:沒有必要接受啊，只是討論，不是教育不是嗎06/11 23:05
74F→:對呀，很多東西，沒辦法一蹴可幾的06/11 23:06
75F→:但真正開闊也就無所可言了，倒也蠻悶的06/11 23:06
76F→:不如隨興所至，享受被侷限的快樂06/11 23:06
78F→:當然啊，要是我擺脫束縛就能變超人了，那還得化時間06/11 23:07
79F→:與幻影的相處是很重要的，無幻便無真06/11 23:08
80F→:真幻兩相宜06/11 23:08
81F→:況且幻影會提出各種我所想不到的事，非常新鮮06/11 23:09
82F→:能刺激我進步06/11 23:09
83F→:如果能讓你們也進步當然最好06/11 23:09
84F→:知道進步只存在自己身上，他人只不過是媒介06/11 23:09
85F→:就能無限的提昇自己的層次了，擺脫那些無謂的情緒吧06/11 23:09
86F→:辯論、鬥氣，真是浪費時間06/11 23:10
87F→:只有想通事情的快樂而已，不是嗎06/11 23:10
88F→:每個人都該奉自己為無上者，這樣多爽06/11 23:11
89F→:你根本不會為了他人的言語而動怒，傷身傷心，不值得06/11 23:11
92F→:我所謂的辯論指的是文字之爭，徒然鑽牛角尖06/11 23:22
93F→:其實所謂的幻影太超然了，當下當然都是實體06/11 23:22
94F→:只是想法可以飆到很奇特的地步不是嗎？06/11 23:23
95F→:不要想成「開導」，想成我在發神經，但你依舊能從中獲利06/11 23:27
96F→:把周遭聲音全部當成自己的工具，不要在意背後的情緒性06/11 23:27
97F→:單純為了超越進步而說而聊，世界只有你自己而已06/11 23:28
98F→:這是我所為純理性，終極的哲學價值06/11 23:32
102F→:不是拋棄文字啦＠＠，是說不辨真理只是抓對方語病這種06/11 23:33
103F→:可以這麼說06/11 23:34
104F→:但是整體而言應該是由唯物進至唯心的過程06/11 23:34
105F→:由利己推廣至利他而後他能利己的過程06/11 23:35
108F→:有些地方還真蠻模糊的06/11 23:35
111F→:我指涉的是純粹為了贏得辯論比賽的那種辯論06/11 23:36
112F→:其實辯論不是那麼狹隘的我之前沒有把話說得太清楚06/11 23:37
113F→:任何理論最後也都回歸自己的解讀不是嗎06/11 23:37
114F→:不過我比較喜歡談到最後有共識，不是各說各話06/11 23:38
115F→:辯論會產生共識嗎?S大的想法呢？06/11 23:39
118F→:那就拋棄對定義的執著，不要管是「辯論」還是「討論」06/11 23:41
120F→:但是「我」很深，潛意識前意識什麼的，更深都還有06/11 23:42
122F→:一般人所能覺察的「我」可能只是肉體和表層心理而已06/11 23:42
123F→:要理會啊，理會才會帶來幻影的衝撞，像強子對撞那樣06/11 23:43
125F→:爆出新的想法，再吸收到自己心裡06/11 23:43
126F→:不要緊啊，只要有心就能把事情想通，人人也都在求道之途06/11 23:44
128F→:相信你選擇相信的，就夠了，想不通多想幾遍06/11 23:45
129F→:對啊，到頭來「我」變成是自然萬物一切思緒的總合體06/11 23:45
130F→:不過目前為止我們彼此的「我」也都不過世身心二者而已06/11 23:46
131F→:只是我想超脫這曾藩籬，所以用高一層的態度來講化06/11 23:46
132F→:實際上也是被身心所侷限住的06/11 23:46
134F→:因為我們並沒有實際利害關係，所以意義上來說的確只是06/11 23:48
136F→:可以這麼說，但是不應該直接就這麼想06/11 23:48
137F→:這樣會搞迷糊06/11 23:48
138F→:對啊，就是跳脫陰陽立場，而採取太極圖的看法06/11 23:48
139F→:循序漸進，先從一切都是真實開始想起06/11 23:49
141F→:慢慢你會把真幻的界線釐清，然後自己調整，依照生命腳步06/11 23:49
142F→:應該說「人我」的區別就不見了06/11 23:50
144F→:對啊，就盡其在我就好啦06/11 23:50
146F→:主觀比客觀重要，當然不能抹煞客觀階段性的功能06/11 23:51
147F→:不是相信，是拿去思考以後，做出你個人的詮釋06/11 23:51
148F→:不要直接囫圇吞棗06/11 23:51
149F→:凡事都用自己的想法過濾一遍，就算不夠好也沒關係06/11 23:52
150F→:只要心胸開闊都能不斷進步的06/11 23:52
152F→:把萬物都當成老師，取其中有用的納為己用06/11 23:53
154F→:繞口令我看不懂＠＠，可以麻煩標點嗎06/11 23:53
155F→:應該是說如果對內在沒有挖掘探討一切都是客觀06/11 23:54
157F→:慢慢挖掘，主觀層面就會越來越廣06/11 23:54
158F→:最後大到完全取代客觀06/11 23:54
159F→:最後變成：比例，想得越深，主觀比例越大06/11 23:55
161F→:最後可以去影響所謂的「客觀」世界06/11 23:56
162F→:是啊06/11 23:56
163F→:那是終極的主觀論述06/11 23:56
164F→:到那個地步變成可以自由的去決定身處的世界06/11 23:57
165F→:因為你可以自由的決定感官、思想、粒子排列06/11 23:57
167F→:不過境界太高，還是要從完全客觀開始一步一腳印06/11 23:57
168F→:這是很棒的問題06/11 23:57
169F→:矛盾的解決有很多種辦法06/11 23:58
170F→:有一種是遷就某一方，大多數時候都是這樣06/11 23:58
171F→:但是慢慢會發現就算參雜著另一方也不會導致數學危機啊06/11 23:59
172F→:就會慢慢把兩邊融在一起看，當然會有比例的輕重06/11 23:59
174F→:比如說雖然我需要吃東西，但我可以決定吃多少會飽06/12 00:00
175F→:所以很多時候要跳脫思考框架06/12 00:00
176F→:還是那句老話：你自己決定06/12 00:01
178F→:單純的「矛盾」兩字是無解的06/12 00:01
179F→:你只要能跳脫文字就夠啦，主觀怎麼跳脫我也不懂＠＠06/12 00:02
180F→:那太深奧了06/12 00:02
182F→:嗯……06/12 00:03
184F→:這個要靠施主的自我突破才行06/12 00:04
186F→:事實上主觀跟客觀不是呈矛盾狀態耶＠＠06/12 00:05
187F→:重點來了，「同時」06/12 00:05
189F→:你不用「同時」，可以「異時」去實現他們06/12 00:05
190F→:絕對有瑕疵，那只是「某個層次」的描述06/12 00:06
191F→:只有60分的時候不要一直看著100分的獎品，會很鬱卒06/12 00:06
194F→:對啊，不是很全面06/12 00:07
196F→:所以才要經由問答去釐清真相，單方面發表瑕疵很難避免06/12 00:08
197F→:看你啊，你如果繼續我就繼續06/12 00:09
198F→:凡事都有缺陷，如果完美無暇那世界就不該存在06/12 00:09
200F→:大概只有純粹的「無」是完美無瑕的吧＝.＝06/12 00:10
201F→:沒有出錯啊，只是不夠全面06/12 00:10
202F→:好比我說大象像根水管06/12 00:10
203F→:雖然有錯，但也不能否認牠的鼻子像水管06/12 00:11
205F→:嗯……有道理06/12 00:12
207F→:那我修文好了06/12 00:12
209F→:有點鑽牛角尖吧06/12 00:13
210F→:主體應該在大象而非水管06/12 00:13
211F→:我在寫大象像水管的時候並不是以他會噴水為依據的06/12 00:14
213F→:而單純只是比喻的手法06/12 00:14
214F→:那個是很早很早以前的主觀定下來的，傳統一樣根深蒂固06/12 00:15
215F→:傳統令人厭惡，所以尋求突破06/12 00:15
217F→:所謂很早可以早到人類出現的時候，甚至更早06/12 00:16
218F→:那當然是可以的，你自己可以決定啊06/12 00:16
220F→:水管的樣子是來自於視覺和腦部，這兩個東西都很早成型06/12 00:17
221F→:要突破要有野心和壯志06/12 00:17
222F→:深入內心去探討存在的本質，最重要還是開闊的心胸06/12 00:18
224F→:嗯，跟你討論很愉快06/12 00:18
225F→:掰掰06/12 00:18
233F→:主觀認定是為我個人服務的機制，未必要符合客觀情況06/12 11:27
234F→:只求不傷害他人即可06/12 11:27
235F→:不傷害他人很重要，就好像未脫離社會，都得遵守法律06/12 11:28
236F→:倘若有天能羽化登天，自然可以自訂律法06/12 11:28
237F→:證明...我說得可能不很嚴謹，用回文方式你將就看06/12 11:29
238F→:至於Moore的東西我一竅不通，恕我無法進行詮釋06/12 11:29
239F→:補充一下，我的確在自欺欺人沒錯，但對我有幫助最重要06/12 12:21
240F→:對每個人來說都是這樣的，黑貓白貓，會抓老鼠就是好貓06/12 12:21
243F→:有目的，我要將自己的世界改造成一個完美天堂06/12 12:26
244F→:目前還不到這個階段，當然要更進一步06/12 12:26
245F→:如果你也有目標，大可以將我當成墊腳石去達成06/12 12:28
246F→:人與人應該是互謀其利，而非你爭我奪，這是人理性的利益06/12 12:28
247F→:也就是哲學之所以存在的終極意義06/12 12:29
249F→:所以我可以自由去詮釋他呀06/12 12:36
250F→:重點不在我，而是你，對你而言somedout比e1q3z9c7重要多06/12 12:37
251F→:所以不該把重點擺在我身上，那樣是浪費你的時間06/12 12:37
252F→:除非這點也是你為了追尋個人最大利益的手段，那我沒話說06/12 12:38
255F→:你如果堅持要以我的觀點詮釋事情，那我也莫可奈何06/12 12:48
256F→:對我來說你是幻影，對你來說你是實體06/12 12:50
257F→:這就是主觀的定義，把客觀拋棄掉以後就能得到很多東西06/12 12:50
258F→:真心建議你試試看06/12 12:50
260F→:的確如此，我會持續尋找更好的說法的，謝謝06/12 12:59
263F→:事實上，你可以「選擇」去認同幻影或真實06/12 18:08
264F→:我認同幻影，但對有感情的人總也會當他們是真實06/12 18:08
265F→:總不可能跟女人做愛把她當充氣娃娃吧06/12 18:09
266F→:重點在於「真相」，是由你「定義」出來的06/12 18:09
267F→:這就是駭客任務的結局，人類可以選擇待在母體或現實世界06/12 18:13
268F→:也就是「自由」的本質06/12 18:14
269F→:如果你認同真實的話，甚至可以在體內任同無限宇宙06/12 18:22
270F→:那也都是你的自由06/12 18:22
271F→:這是一個階段性目的，至於下一階段，就看個人喜好了06/12 18:23
3F推:行距空一下會比較容易看06/11 01:43
4F推:最後那句中肯06/10 20:47
12F推:一定炸的，要求生勢必會干擾他人生命06/28 13:51
13F→:這無關道德，純粹是生存本質的問題06/28 13:51
14F→:即便裡面只有一個人，被困住的是多數人，那人照炸不誤06/28 13:52
15F→:逼不得已時，人不為己，天誅地滅06/28 13:52
16F→:但這是在假設每個人都能力相同的時候，真實情況會複雜多06/28 13:53