[新聞] 這不是COVID19（印尼弄混病毒病徵）

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完整標題：‘It is not COVID-19’: Indonesian health official mixes up disease and virus 發稿單位：The Jakarta Post 發稿時間：Feb 25, 2020 撰 稿 者：A. Muh. Ibnu Aqil 原文連結：https://tinyurl.com/qunrcrt A Health Ministry official said on Monday that the Japanese national who teste d positive for the novel coronavirus upon his return from a trip to Indonesia was "not a case of COVID-19". 印尼政府表示，某日本人自印尼返日本後，被檢出新冠病毒陽性反應，「並非 COVID-19 案例」。 Secretary Achmad Yurianto of the Health Ministry's disease control and prevent ion directorate general said that according to Japanese authorities, the man w as infected with “Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus 2" – or SARS -CoV-2 – and insisted that SARS-CoV-2 was different from COVID-19. 印尼 CDC 主任 Achmad Yurianto 說，依據日本權責單位資料，該日本人是感染 SARS-Co V-2 病毒，堅持不同於 COVID-19。 “There [in Japan], he was diagnosed by doctors to have been infected with SAR S coronavirus type 2,” Yurianto told The Jakarta Post on Monday. Yurianto 週一告訴 Jakarta Post：「該日本人被診斷感染 SARS-CoV-2」。 When the Post asked Yurianto to elaborate on his insistence that the Japanese man did not have COVID-19 despite testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, he maintain ed his earlier statement. Jakarta Post 詢問 Yurianto 為何刻意堅稱該日本人並無 COVID-19、即便是 SARS-CoV- 2 陽性反應？Y 氏仍保持之前說法。 In an earlier interview with kompas.com, Yurianto claimed that coronavirus dis ease 2019, officially named COVID-19, was different from SARS-CoV-2. 更早之前Yurianto 被 kompas.com 訪問時，Yurianto 宣稱 COVID-19 不同於 SARS-Co V-2。 "What we have now is a COVID-19 epidemic. There are experts saying that COVID- 19 is different from SARS CoV-2, and that the differences reach 70 percent,” he said. Y 氏：「我們知道現在 COVID-19 大流行。專家們說 COVID-19 異於 SARS-CoV-2，而其 差異達 70%」。 Yurianto said he believed that the two were different because in dealing with Indonesian crew members of the Diamond Princess cruise ship, Japan had consist ently referred to their illness as COVID-19 rather than saying that they had t ested positive for SARS-CoV-2. Yurianto 說，他相信這兩者不同是因為鑽石公主號上的印尼籍員工是 COVID-19 病症而 不是說他們 SARS-CoV-2 陽性。 The International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses (ICTV), which is responsibl e for naming and classifying new viruses, announced on Feb. 11 that the virus that causes COVID-19 (coronavirus disease 2019) "has been named 'severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2' (SARS-CoV-2)". 負責命名病毒的 ICTV 於 2 月 11 日宣告造成 COVID-19 病症的病毒是 SARS-CoV-2。 The World Health Organization has also published a special webpage on naming t he new coronavirus, which states that "the virus responsible for COVID-19" is named "severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)". The subsequent section has the subheading "Why do the virus and the disease have different names?", and provides a clear explanation. WHO 也做了同樣的宣告，也有詳細解釋。 On Feb. 22, the Tokyo Metropolitan Government announced that the Japanese man was a Tokyo resident in his 60s. In related news published the same day, natio nal broadcaster NHK reported that the man was diagnosed on Feb. 19 upon his re turn from a family vacation in Indonesia, but did not specify the local destin ation. It also said that he had gone to a medical facility on Feb. 12 with "co ld-like symptoms". 2 月 22 日，東京市政府對外宣告該日本人年紀約 60 歲；NHK 則報導該日本人於 2 月 19 日自印尼返過後確診（並未提及停留地區）。另 2 月 12 日因感冒症狀就診。 Yurianto said that while the man was in Indonesia, he had only visited Bali an d had not shown any symptoms of COVID-19. Yurianto 表示此人僅去過峇里島，並未出現 COVID-19 病徵。 Meanwhile, Omni Hospital Pulomas vaccinologist Dirga Sakti Rambe said that sim ilar cases could be going undetected, as several cases had been reported of pe ople infected with SARS-CoV-2 who had not shown any symptoms of COVID-19. Omni Hospital Pulomas 的免疫專家 Dirga Sakti Rambe 說，一些 SARS-CoV-2 陽性者 並無 COVID-19 症狀。 “[Asymptomatic] cases like this would not be detected at any airport around t he world. This is what makes COVID-19 management difficult,” Dirga told the P ost. Dirga 跟 Jakarta Post 說，這樣在全世界的機場都無法偵測，會讓 COVID-19 更難管理 。 Although ports of entry like airports should check the temperature of passenge rs according to guidance from the WHO, cases of infection could still miss det ection, he said. 雖說依據 WHO 指南需在機場檢查旅客體溫，但仍可能錯漏。 “This is not the fault of the airport’s detection system, but the character of this disease. It is getting harder to control the outbreak because of asymp tomatic transmission,” said Dirga. “That’s why it must be followed up, wher e he went, etc. Ideally, we should be tracking his [close] contacts.” Dirga 說這並非機場體溫檢測問題，而是疾病的特性。這讓疾病散播控制越來越難，所以 必須追蹤病人去向以及接觸的人。 On Monday, NHK reported that the Tokyo government had identified around 80 peo ple as the man's close contacts and instructed them to remain at home in self- quarantine, and that it was continuing to surveil their condition. 週一 NHK 報導日本政府已確認約 80 人跟此人有密切接觸並實行居家隔離，持續監控他 們的健康狀態。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 42.73.116.147 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/nCoV2019/M.1582747769.A.C64.html ※ 編輯: elguapo (42.73.116.147 臺灣), 02/27/2020 04:11:10
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02/27 04:13, 4年前 , 1F
對不起我看不懂！是印尼在狡辯裝傻嗎？
02/27 04:13, 1F
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02/27 04:17, 4年前 , 2F
貌似是
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02/27 04:22, 4年前 , 3F
小感冒啦
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02/27 04:49, 4年前 , 4F
......
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02/27 04:50, 4年前 , 5F
原來是SARS啊，我還以為是COVID19呢
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02/27 04:54, 4年前 , 6F
CDC 主任???
02/27 04:54, 6F
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02/27 04:58, 4年前 , 7F
印尼官員認為有武漢病毒不是染上武漢肺
02/27 04:58, 7F
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02/27 04:59, 4年前 , 8F
就是把病毒名字跟疾病名字當成不同的疾病
02/27 04:59, 8F
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02/27 04:59, 4年前 , 9F
例如HIV vs AIDS
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02/27 05:00, 4年前 , 10F
原來如此，染上 流感病毒 不等於 得流感
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02/27 05:00, 4年前 , 11F
得HIV也不是得愛滋啦~~
02/27 05:00, 11F
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02/27 05:02, 4年前 , 12F
我才不是喜歡有錢的男人 只是想找上進
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02/27 05:02, 4年前 , 13F
的人
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02/27 05:02, 4年前 , 14F
SARS-COV-2 causes COVID-19
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02/27 05:03, 4年前 , 15F
virus causes disease
02/27 05:03, 15F
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02/27 05:08, 4年前 , 16F
真是白癡，兩個是一樣的
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02/27 05:10, 4年前 , 17F
他們在堅持什麼...
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02/27 05:13, 4年前 , 18F
完全看不懂在跳什麼
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02/27 05:14, 4年前 , 19F
這人在供三小
02/27 05:14, 19F
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02/27 05:17, 4年前 , 20F
笨==
02/27 05:17, 20F
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02/27 05:34, 4年前 , 21F
帶有HIV確實不等於得到AIDS
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02/27 05:35, 4年前 , 22F
印尼蓋牌的意思
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02/27 05:35, 4年前 , 23F
但印尼多嚴重，外人完全沒資訊
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02/27 05:36, 4年前 , 24F
用HIV例子是比較易明白而已
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02/27 05:37, 4年前 , 25F
現在情況是帶菌沒病徵也能傳染
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02/27 06:02, 4年前 , 26F
是不是該提升印尼的旅遊警戒了
02/27 06:02, 26F
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02/27 06:03, 4年前 , 27F
印尼這樣很明顯是輸出病例到日本了啊
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02/27 06:08, 4年前 , 28F
問Tosca啊，前幾天有提到政策
02/27 06:08, 28F
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02/27 06:10, 4年前 , 29F
Tosca因為同日發文過多,被禁言7日.
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02/27 06:14, 4年前 , 30F
SARS-CoV-2 病毒是武漢肺炎 非新冠肺炎
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02/27 06:19, 4年前 , 31F
COVID-19 是新冠肺炎 問CHO應該最清楚
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02/27 06:23, 4年前 , 32F
印尼產鴕鳥嗎？
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02/27 06:23, 4年前 , 33F
看吧! 就說會混淆 國內媒體講新冠的應該都
02/27 06:23, 33F
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02/27 06:23, 4年前 , 34F
罰錢 還以為兩個肺炎
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02/27 06:25, 4年前 , 35F
SARS-COV-2 不等於 COVID-19
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02/27 06:26, 4年前 , 36F
SAR-COV-2會導致COVID-19
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02/27 06:26, 4年前 , 37F
SAR-COV-2就像HIV,是病毒名稱
02/27 06:26, 37F
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02/27 06:26, 4年前 , 38F
COVID-19就像是AIDS,是疾病名稱
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02/27 06:28, 4年前 , 39F
所以HIV不等於AIDS,但是HIV導致AIDS
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還有 50 則推文
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02/27 07:16, 4年前 , 90F
直到適當時機再發作,變成皮蛇.
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02/27 07:20, 4年前 , 91F
致病性根源 和 臨床病理要分開看…
02/27 07:20, 91F
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02/27 07:20, 4年前 , 92F
照樓上說的 肺癌StageI II III IV都是
02/27 07:20, 92F
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02/27 07:20, 4年前 , 93F
不同疾病…
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02/27 07:31, 4年前 , 94F
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02/27 07:37, 4年前 , 95F
嚴格來說,目前SARS-COV-2已經有多種
02/27 07:37, 95F
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02/27 07:37, 4年前 , 96F
基因上的改變,但是整體算是同一種
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02/27 07:38, 4年前 , 97F
繼續蓋牌 完美0確診
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02/27 07:38, 4年前 , 98F
有可能久了以後,差異會大到要用不同
02/27 07:38, 98F
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02/27 07:38, 4年前 , 99F
亞洲防疫破口 扯後腿國家
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02/27 07:39, 4年前 , 100F
名稱來代表差異過大的武漢病毒.
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02/27 07:41, 4年前 , 101F
印尼 蓋牌講幹話 有人敢信
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02/27 07:59, 4年前 , 102F
不承認,不驗,0確診......
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02/27 08:10, 4年前 , 103F
SARS-COV-2在NCBI上的序列看起來還沒多
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02/27 08:10, 4年前 , 104F
少變異，GISAID沒帳號，還在申請中
02/27 08:10, 104F
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02/27 08:13, 4年前 , 105F
一個是病毒名稱，一個是疾病名稱，如此
02/27 08:13, 105F
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02/27 08:14, 4年前 , 106F
而已。有時一個疾病可能會有多個成因，
02/27 08:14, 106F
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02/27 08:14, 4年前 , 107F
有時一個病毒可能會造成多種疾病。此例(
02/27 08:14, 107F
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02/27 08:14, 4年前 , 108F
武漢肺炎)剛好是一對一，不會搞混，但
02/27 08:14, 108F
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02/27 08:14, 4年前 , 109F
還是要有正確的觀念
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02/27 08:41, 4年前 , 110F
他身上有新冠狀病毒，但他沒有武漢肺炎
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02/27 08:41, 4年前 , 111F
的意思？？阿這不就是無症狀確診病人。
02/27 08:41, 111F
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02/27 08:44, 4年前 , 112F
要看各國對於COVID-19確診的定義，目前
02/27 08:44, 112F
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02/27 08:44, 4年前 , 113F
看到多為核酸檢驗陽性即為確診，不管有
02/27 08:44, 113F
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02/27 08:44, 4年前 , 114F
沒有臨床症狀，臨床症狀是做為會不會檢
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02/27 08:44, 4年前 , 115F
驗的依據
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02/27 08:48, 4年前 , 116F
WHO定義是只要病毒陽性，有沒有病徵都是
02/27 08:48, 116F
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02/27 08:48, 4年前 , 117F
確診
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02/27 08:52, 4年前 , 118F
大家別怕，他得到武漢肺炎，不是新冠
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02/27 08:52, 4年前 , 119F
肺炎
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02/27 09:02, 4年前 , 120F
都只會導致武漢肺炎這樣分哪有差
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02/27 09:03, 4年前 , 121F
只是讓人可以玩文字遊戲而已
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02/27 09:27, 4年前 , 122F
亂扯一通 台灣要小心印尼成防疫破口
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02/27 10:56, 4年前 , 123F
印尼你...囧
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02/27 11:59, 4年前 , 124F
推V大澄清
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02/27 12:36, 4年前 , 125F
人被殺了就會死 this is a pen
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噓
02/27 12:49, 4年前 , 126F
無症狀感染者的意思
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02/27 12:50, 4年前 , 127F
SARS-COV-2是病毒名 COVID-19是病名
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02/27 14:36, 4年前 , 128F
有一篇新的可是說印尼防疫好棒棒呢^_^
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03/16 14:02, 4年前 , 129F
高調
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