[新聞] Musk:Tesla的自駕技術"大幅"領先同業

看板car作者 (天下第一控)時間5年前 (2019/04/16 23:51), 5年前編輯推噓8(10231)
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原文連結: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/elon-musk-teslas-self-driving-tech/ 原文內容: How does Tesla CEO Elon Musk compare his company's still-under-development self-driving systems to the competition from Waymo, Cruise Automation and the like? Easy. He believes his company his "vastly ahead of everyone." 到底 Elon Musk 本人如何看待自家發展中自駕系統對比上 Waymo, Cruise Automation 以及其他同行孰優孰劣呢? 簡單! 答案是 Musk 認為 Tesla 的自動駕駛技術正大幅領先群雄。 This quote comes from Musk's recent appearance on Lex Friedman's Artificial Intelligence Podcast, where Musk spoke about topics ranging from how much longer people will need to keep their hands on the wheel ("At least six months from here") to what question would you ask of a truly sentient artificial agent ("What's outside the simulation?"). 這段論述出現自Musk本人最近上的一則播客節目中,節目中 Musk 從自動駕駛 何時普及("至少六個月後"),到 Musk 本人對於有情感的人工智慧想問什麼問題 都有談論。 (Youtube影片) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEv99vxKjVI
But the bulk of the conversation centered around Tesla's pursuit of self-driving vehicles. Tesla has long offered a $5,000 "Full Self-Driving Capability" package for its vehicles, promising access to an eventual software update enabling the company's cars to drive themselves. 但大多數的對話皆圍繞在 Tesla 對於自動駕駛車輛的努力 Tesla 長久以來皆提供一項名為 "全自動駕駛能力" 的方案 花$5000就能買到"未來能夠獲得全自動駕駛能力"的願景 Musk reiterated this promise, saying: "The hardware currently being produced is capable of full self-driving." However, autonomy won't be an overnight thing where you drive yourself home from work one day and the next morning, after a little OTA action, enjoy a fully automated commute. Musk重申這項承諾:「目前的硬體已經具備進行全自動駕駛所需的運算能力」 然而顯然地,全自駕並不是某天早上醒來,就像魔法一般突然擁有 "As we refine the software, the capabilities will increase dramatically, and then the reliability will increase dramatically, and then it will receive regulatory approval." 「當我們逐步妥善軟體,自動駕駛的能力會顯著的提升,可靠度亦然, 接下來將會受到法規的認可」 This, however, is where Musk's position took an interesting turn. Musk believes autonomy will make a car significantly more valuable, perhaps five times more than a normal, human-driven machine. His conclusion? "If you buy a Tesla today I believe you are buying an appreciating asset, not a depreciating asset." 這裡,Musk的論點似乎有了有趣的轉變,他相信自動駕駛將會使車輛更有價值, 或許會有非自駕車輛的五倍價值! 而他的結論是,現在買特斯拉,不但不會折舊 還會開始增值XD Outside of a rare few desirable collector machines and seemingly every Porsche more than 20 years old, few cars actually do wind up appreciating in value significantly. And, very few manufacturers would be bold enough to make that a promise of their new cars. 但事實上,除了少數幾台車,還有每台年份20年以上的保時捷,還真的沒幾台車 會增值,而且也不太會有車商勇敢地給你這個承諾 But back to autonomy, when will the cars start driving themselves? Musk believes you'll need to keep your hands on the wheel for "at least six months from here," raising the question: "How much safer than a person does Autopilot need to be before it's OK to not monitor the car?" 而回到自動駕駛本身,到底何時才能實現,Musk認為至少還需要六個月 這也帶出了另一個問題,到底Autopilot要比人類多安全多少, 才能放心的把車交給Autopilot? Musk's basic thesis is that, once Autopilot is proven far safer (perhaps by 200%, he notes), then letting a human take over actually becomes risky behavior. He references the early days of elevators, where a human pilot manually directed them to go up or down with a lever. Now, Musk says, "Nobody wants an elevator operator, because the automated elevator that stops at the floors is much safer." Musk的基本論述是,當Autopilot比人類安全或許200%以上時,讓人類接手才是 危險的。他以早期電梯以人工操作為例,現在早就沒人想要電梯操作員, 因為電梯本身還更安全。 And what about the competition developing their own self-driving technologies? "To me, right now this seems like game, set and match. I don't want to be complacent or overconfident, but that is literally how it appears right now. I could be wrong, but it appears to be the case that Tesla is vastly ahead of everyone." With competitors like Waymo racking up real-world miles for its self-driving systems, that's an awfully confident statement to make. As ever, the proof will be in the pudding. 「對我來說現在自動駕駛的競賽勝負已決,我不想太過自滿或是過分自信, 但現在看起來就是如此。我可能錯了,但現在看起來Tesla的確大幅領先了其他人。」 正當Waymo等其他同業持續累積自駕實地測試里程數時,這看起來似乎是個過分自信 的言論,不過,海水退潮了才會知道誰沒穿褲子。 心得/說明:(30字以上) 這兩天看到這則很狂的新聞,當很多評比報告都不認為Tesla 的自駕系統是最好的時候,鋼鐵人依然充滿自信。 我真的很喜歡那句話,海水退潮了,就知道誰沒穿褲子。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 122.146.70.68 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/car/M.1555429885.A.D44.html

04/16 23:55, 5年前 , 1F
等五年或十年過後再回來檢視吧
04/16 23:55, 1F
認真說當然是希望十年後 人類社會的交通技術因為有狂人Musk的衝擊而變得更好啦XD ※ 編輯: JLintopPG (122.146.70.68), 04/16/2019 23:59:24

04/17 00:00, 5年前 , 2F
五年或十年後,法令會為了自駕而修改嗎?
04/17 00:00, 2F

04/17 00:05, 5年前 , 3F
the proof will be in the pudding.
04/17 00:05, 3F

04/17 00:15, 5年前 , 4F
不愧是呼麻仔
04/17 00:15, 4F

04/17 00:26, 5年前 , 5F
看來他最近真的很缺錢......
04/17 00:26, 5F

04/17 00:31, 5年前 , 6F
窮得只剩下Teala,SpaceX和Solar City
04/17 00:31, 6F

04/17 00:36, 5年前 , 7F
自駕只是時間的問題 一堆三寶 酒駕路上跑是安全什麼?
04/17 00:36, 7F

04/17 00:56, 5年前 , 8F
我大禿頭馬思克真的是近代科技偉人
04/17 00:56, 8F

04/17 02:44, 5年前 , 9F
看來前途顧問機構都在混沒把我特自駕排第一
04/17 02:44, 9F

04/17 02:53, 5年前 , 10F
10年前也沒人把SpaceX當一回事,結果現在NASA為了應付副總
04/17 02:53, 10F

04/17 02:54, 5年前 , 11F
統的重返月球計畫,只好找SpaceX看看能不能負擔一部分業務
04/17 02:54, 11F

04/17 02:55, 5年前 , 12F
反正就等著看Tesla 10年後到底能不能做到他想要的樣子。
04/17 02:55, 12F

04/17 02:55, 5年前 , 13F
不過比起自駕,快把汽車的智慧語音助理弄一弄吧,上次看過
04/17 02:55, 13F

04/17 02:58, 5年前 , 14F
對岸蔚藍的NOMI系統至少可以操控一部分常用的功能。
04/17 02:58, 14F

04/17 03:00, 5年前 , 15F
目前看起來的確是啊 只是我覺得定位也有差異
04/17 03:00, 15F

04/17 03:01, 5年前 , 16F
tesla一直努力發展自駕技術 但1P2B V牌發展的都只是
04/17 03:01, 16F

04/17 03:02, 5年前 , 17F
輔助駕駛
04/17 03:02, 17F

04/17 03:02, 5年前 , 18F
感覺不是很努力發展自駕技術
04/17 03:02, 18F

04/17 03:04, 5年前 , 19F
不曉得其他車廠是否看到了什麼問題?又或者在盤算些
04/17 03:04, 19F

04/17 03:04, 5年前 , 20F
什麼
04/17 03:04, 20F

04/17 03:05, 5年前 , 21F
也許是可靠度的問題吧。。。感覺啦 用相機來比喻的話
04/17 03:05, 21F

04/17 03:06, 5年前 , 22F
tesla就像是Sony 其他就像Nikon, Canon 技術永遠都
04/17 03:06, 22F

04/17 03:06, 5年前 , 23F
都在擠牙膏
04/17 03:06, 23F

04/17 03:07, 5年前 , 24F
但又不是做不到 不曉得在考慮什麼?
04/17 03:07, 24F

04/17 07:02, 5年前 , 25F
腦粉還不每天肉身自駕500公里,多生一些大數據加快進度
04/17 07:02, 25F

04/17 08:33, 5年前 , 26F
大車廠的問題是在於有很多包袱,他們各項系統幾乎都是跟
04/17 08:33, 26F

04/17 08:34, 5年前 , 27F
大供應商買來的,沒有辦法像小的新創公司那樣說做什麼就
04/17 08:34, 27F

04/17 08:35, 5年前 , 28F
做什麼,整個靈活度低很多。同時人才也是一個問題,全自駕
04/17 08:35, 28F

04/17 08:35, 5年前 , 29F
所需的人才跟以往汽車所需的人才不同,這些專攻AI 的人才都
04/17 08:35, 29F

04/17 08:36, 5年前 , 30F
集中在矽谷,大車廠要搶這些人才除了要到當地設立研發之外
04/17 08:36, 30F

04/17 08:37, 5年前 , 31F
還必須與網路公司、資訊公司搶人才。
04/17 08:37, 31F

04/17 08:37, 5年前 , 32F
但這些車廠的傳統研發地離矽谷都很遠
04/17 08:37, 32F

04/17 08:58, 5年前 , 33F
真的屌
04/17 08:58, 33F

04/17 09:15, 5年前 , 34F
前面不是說特廠的自駕快可以辨識紅燈?
04/17 09:15, 34F

04/17 09:15, 5年前 , 35F
waymo已經算是實際在街上商用自動駕駛叫車服務
04/17 09:15, 35F

04/17 09:16, 5年前 , 36F
不可能waymo還不能辨識紅燈吧?
04/17 09:16, 36F

04/17 09:51, 5年前 , 37F
跟google自駕車哪個技術強?
04/17 09:51, 37F

04/17 10:49, 5年前 , 38F
ZzzzZzzzzz吹牛仔
04/17 10:49, 38F

04/17 11:13, 5年前 , 39F
去看哪幾家最先取得各州政府載人服務的資格啦XD
04/17 11:13, 39F

04/17 12:07, 5年前 , 40F
我聽說最強的是waymo捏
04/17 12:07, 40F

04/17 20:16, 5年前 , 41F
這真的很好笑 跟恐龍家長說自己小孩最厲害 是一樣意思
04/17 20:16, 41F

04/17 22:34, 5年前 , 42F
自我感覺良好
04/17 22:34, 42F

04/17 22:34, 5年前 , 43F
明明就吊車尾
04/17 22:34, 43F
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