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※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板 #1IRzh_On ] 作者: skymay (隨遇而安) 看板: NBA 標題: [外絮] 擺爛的藝術，某經理承認球隊有擺爛計劃 時間: Tue Oct 29 23:57:47 2013 The art of the tank One GM anonymously breaks down his plan to take his team to the toilet Originally Published: October 29, 2013 ESPN The Magazine OUR TEAM ISN'T good enough to win and we know it. So this season we want to develop and evaluate our young players, let them learn from their mistakes -- and get us in position to grab a great player. The best way for us to do that is to lose a lot of games. This draft is loaded. There are potential All-Stars at the top, maybe even franchise changers. Sometimes my job is to understand the value of losing. 我們的球隊不夠好，這點我們心知肚明，所以今年我們想要鍛煉隊伍、提升年輕球員 實力，讓他們從失敗中進步——同時，也讓我們處於一個得到偉大球員的有利位置。 為了達成這個目標，最好的辦法就是輸掉很多的比賽，下一屆選秀有很多具有實力的 球員，有一些有潛力成為全明星的球員，甚至是建隊核心。有的時候，我的工作中包 括去理解輸球的價值。 I know that sounds crazy, but if you're an NBA general manager like me, the last place you want to be is in the middle. There are only two outcomes there: Either make the playoffs and be first-round fodder for one of the premier teams or miss the playoffs and pick somewhere around 11th to 14th in the draft. Either way, the odds are that you stay in that middle range. It's a recipe for disaster. 我知道，這聽起來很瘋狂， 但如果你和我一樣都是NBA球隊的總經理的話，你就會明 白處於聯盟中游是最糟糕的位置。因為這只會有兩個結果，要嘛進入季後賽然後被某 一支頂級球隊在首輪淘汰，要嘛就是錯過季後賽，然後得到一個 第11-第14的選秀順 位。不管是那種情況，你都將永遠留在這個位置。這是最糟糕的情況。 You need superstars to compete in this league, and the playing field for those guys is tilted toward a few big-market teams. They are demanding trades and getting together and deciding where they want to go in free agency. It's tough for us to compete with that. So a high lottery pick is all we have. 球隊需要一個超級巨星才能在聯盟中立足，而且大多數的球員都渴望在大城市打球， 他們要求被交易、聚在一起、商量作為自由球員一起去哪支球隊。對我們而言，我們 很難去和有些球隊競爭，因此高順位的選秀權就變成了我們唯一的出路。 How do you pull it off? First, you talk it over with ownership. I analyzed the team and told them what I wanted to do, the guys I wanted to get rid of and the guys with future value whom we wanted to keep. We obviously traded away some of our veteran guys who gave us a better chance of winning right now for future draft picks and young players. The owners didn't want to tread water any more than I did. They'd rather go down to the bottom with the hope of coming up, so they signed off on it. It wasn't a fight at all. In a different season, it might not make sense, but this draft certainly makes it more appealing. 你怎麼才能成功呢？首先，你得讓老闆明白你將要做什麼，我對球隊進行了分析之後 告訴了他們我的計劃，我想要送走哪些球員，還有哪些球員對我們的未來是有價值的 。我們顯然已經交易送走了一些能幫助我們在眼下贏球的老將，以換回一些未來的選 秀權以及年輕球員。比起我，老闆們更不願意球隊原地踏步，他們也希望球隊能有崛 起的期望，哪怕這意味著球隊會打出最糟糕的戰績。所以他們完全同意我的計劃，我 們之間沒有任何的爭論。如果是在其他賽季的話，也許這個計劃沒有什麼意義，但明 年的選秀大會實在是太吸引人了。 Our coach understands that too. It's no secret what we're trying to do, and you can't lie to him anyway or you'll lose all trust. We never really had to tell him, because the handwriting is on the wall. He knows exactly what's going on, and he's good with it. What's hard is keeping it from the players. If you took a poll in all 30 locker rooms, regardless of how the roster looks, I bet they'd all say they are a playoff team. That's good, because you want them to play with effort and lose organically. You never tell the players not to try to win a game, but it's obvious that you're putting out a team that's just not good enough to win. 此外，我們的教練也明白這一點。我們想要做什麼已經是人盡皆知了，所以你不能欺 騙主教練，不然你就會失去信任。我們雖然沒有明確地和他這麼說，但事情已經是顯 而易見的了。他清楚地知道球隊怎麼了，而且他對此沒有任何問題。最困難的是要隊 球員保密，如果你在30支球隊的更衣室內進行調查，我敢打賭，不管他們球隊陣容如 何，所有人都會說他們能進入季後賽。這很好，因為你想要看到球員們在場上拼盡一 切然後輸掉比賽。你永遠不應該和球員說不要去努力贏球，但你所組建的球隊很明顯 不具備贏球的實力。 We're not alone. Look at the 76ers. Since the draft in June, I don't think they've signed a player or made a trade to add a legitimate player. A bunch of us realize that our teams aren't good enough talentwise to do anything. You're going to be bad. There's no way around it. And even if you finish 0-82, there's still a 75 percent chance you don't get the No. 1 pick. We're just going to take our lumps and hope our number gets called. 我們並不是全聯盟唯一一支這麼做的球隊，看看76人，自從今年的選秀大會之後，他 們就沒有簽下或者交易來任何一名有價值的球員。我們中的一些人清楚地知道，我們 的球隊不夠好，沒有足夠的才華去贏球。那就變得糟糕吧。沒有什麼在這兩者之間的 做法。不過，即使你的戰績是0勝82負，你仍然有75%的可能錯過狀元簽，因此，我們 要做的就是面對現實，然後祈禱自己能抽到狀元簽。 http://voice.hupu.com/nba/1539221.html http://tinyurl.com/lqsc5og 心得：不知道這是哪支球隊的經理？ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 175.180.201.189
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太笨了 看看國王隊 直接請爛教練來教就行了
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太陽？
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肯定不是76人 感覺像是太陽
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看看國王隊選的人送走了幾個以及之後發展....
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我猜太陽
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難怪76人花大錢簽保齡球王 又送走Jrue換一個痛痛人
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不是大城市+重建的隊伍+目前沒核心=
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學以前國王隊更慘 選到又養不出什麼名號來.....
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觀念大對決
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爵士跟太陽都有可能
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肯定Suns
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我覺得不是爵士 阿爵雖然觀念 但是保有幾個好的球員
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塞爾蒂克
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太陽是幾乎送光光....
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阿爵機率大,因為他提到球員想去大城市,代表他們身處
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一定是太陽！！
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身處小城市,不過他講得中肯,NBA中最難重整的是那種不
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樓上說的也對 鳳凰城算大城市...好吧應該不是太陽
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公鹿吧
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這樣看來應該還是阿爵=.=
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上不下的球隊,尤其是那種季後賽邊緣的(阿爵過去兩年)
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明年到底是有哪些新秀這麼值得期待呀?
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應該不是76人的
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所以阿爵今年才會大清倉,徹底改造
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不過太陽的確有阿罵後每年都拿中間順位的簽 沒啥新秀
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光看到小城市就不是太陽了
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講求觀念的XD
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搶狀元的卡位戰也是新球季一大看點超多球隊想搶的
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76 +1
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說不定就是76人的經理故意提76人 好讓大家以為不是他
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你先承認76人就是你吧!!
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76故意講自己混淆視聽
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火箭真的算奇葩了，之前年年季後賽邊緣，還有辦法
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快速重建
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PHX雖然不算小城市 但和老闆對話的經理看起來是新來
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莫雷前幾年很鳥 去年真的神操盤
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感覺是76..
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加上送走Gortat和Dudley相對隊上年紀的"老將"們
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最後擺爛那段最近PHX的球員有出來嗆我們是要贏球的XD
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http://bbs.hupu.com/6710080.html "不想擺爛"的發言
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事實是每個擺爛的球隊季前都馬說要拚季後賽不擺爛
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爵士+1
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費城算大城市吧 不過可能自己混淆視聽就是 XD
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太陽 想狀元很久了
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太忠肯了 可是也莫名的覺得好笑= =
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一定是太陽
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太陽實力沒有在中游吧 爵士倒是滿符合的 三少之外能
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太空人？
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用的都拿去換不太好的回來
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觀念正夯 想輸球抽狀元還沒那麼容易咧 大家都想觀念
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爵士擺爛去年還要靠乾爹才沒辦法進季後賽
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應該是太陽或七六人...
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看推文就知道今年擺爛的球隊真多
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爵士的狀況不完全符合這篇的內容
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說真的很像爵士 1.首輪遊 2.送走人 3.老闆急 4.小市
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lowatre我們意見難得歧異XD 太陽近幾年就已經沒進了
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真的是混淆視聽的話就太好笑了
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這根本就是Lindsey專訪吧
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送走能贏球的老將--Al,8M,MO
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鍛鍊年輕球員從失敗中成長--五少
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最爛的位置--近幾年西區老八老九老十
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球員想去大城市打球--鹽湖城小市場又無趣
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※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ※ 轉錄者: monmo (119.14.29.26), 時間: 10/30/2013 00:39:37
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趴車之路 不由分說!(不過我覺得就算文章描述的狠像爵士
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也不會是林賽受訪 很可能被別隊表XD)
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我不認為是爵士...他有提到我們顯然"交易"送走了老將
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除了Deron外我想不到其他的，雖然這足以成為證據但並沒有
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讓我們決心爛到底，爾後又是非常多FA自己走路而非交易掉
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再來就是這真的不是Lindsey的說話風格 @_@
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最有可能的無非是太陽和七六人，Jrue和Gortat都是好例子
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剛看了一下太陽近年位置其實也不錯爛啊 XD 除了13年已tank
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BTW今年擺爛的可能其實跟Hayward會息息相關...
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交易走胖子，發現結果不如預期，與其不上不下，倒不如大破
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大立，看那精美的第二段，根本就是爵士
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今天另一個消息是 Burks跟 Kanter的第三年合約不意外的
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延長了
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好不容易出現一個摩門教的球星級新秀 不搶是棒槌......
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出現"摩門教"球星級新秀的機會 可能比那個人更難....
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噓
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└→ Jimmer:
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噓
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只好用樓上換Jimmer惹
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這不是阿爵就是魔術..76人不可能是因為該經理已經說76
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人了...
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這叫樹葉藏在森林裡?
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應該是爵士，5少練兵，搭配全聯盟最爛的替補板凳，戰績
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絕對好不起來，替補擺明就是要來敗分取敗
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魔術至少能期待的球員多了一票
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C.J今天替補第一節上來好殺
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