Re: [情報] 台積電美國來台受訓在glassdoor評論

看板Tech_Job作者 (Francesco d'Assisi)時間2年前 (2021/10/31 11:16), 編輯推噓124(135推 11噓 117→)
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※ 引述《NTUEE2CS (電機轉資工)》之銘言： : https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-TSMC-RVW49365407.htm 略略翻譯一下 Pros Was able to train in Taiwan, work for one of the most important companies on the planet that no one knows about, be exposed to culture outside the US, am being given skills I can take to lot's of desirable positions in the future. There are incompatibilities between work culture, learning/teaching style and other expectations from the US to Taiwan. This is to be expected. My trainer I think has definitely met me part way, and I believe I can say I have done the same. There's still a gap, but this can be worked on. 優勢 能有機會來到台灣訓練，在不為人知世界上最重要的公司工作，並接觸到不同於美國的文化 我認為我得到了許多未來職涯上受用不少的技能。 早就可以預期的是也有不少落差出現在工作文化、教學相長、和許許多多台美之間的不同 期待上。我的導師 (Trainer) 和我都看到了對方部分的面向。各種差距是存在的，也是需可 以努力改進的。 Cons The work culture in Taiwan is really different than in the US. I am sure TSMC will have to change to an 8 hour work day five days a week or do what other companies do with Fabs and run three days on, four days off, four days on, three days off rotations. As it is right now in Taiwan The minimum amount of time at the company is 10 hours a day, but realistically is running up to even 12 hours a day. This is for those of us who are American training to go back to the new operation in Arizona. The reality for people from Taiwan is that they are doing even more than 12 hour days often. There's also the night shifts and weekend shifts on duty and/or on call. That last part is understandable as the fab lives 24/7. The training in this experience really depends on one person who is your "trainer". My experience has lacked any structure, but had no shortage of expectations. I came up with some process to approach learning new equipment and daily tasks, but to be honest don't know that I've arrived yet. TSMC doesn't seem to enshrine a sense of individual freedom. The company provides housing for those of us training from the states, but has very much micromanaged everything we do in our living arrangement. There's a curfew with no guests allowed for example. And the long term housing adds another hand hour commute. 劣勢 工作文化實在是差異太大了。我想台積應該是可以改成每週 40 工時，或者像其他晶圓廠 作三休四、作四休三等。我看在台積的同事大多每天工作十小時起跳，甚至到十二小時不 等，而且這還是僅僅是我們這些從美國來到台灣，未來要到 Arizona 工作的夥伴。如果是 真正的台灣同事，他們是每天十二小時起跳，還需要加上輪夜班或是週末值班等，但對於 一個全年無休的晶圓廠來說也是可以理解的。 整個訓練的過程真的很看你的導師是誰，我的經驗上是整個沒有結構，雖然我是沒有很意 外啦。整天下來我就是在學習改善一些新的儀器和每日任務，但說實在的我也不知道這有 什麼用處。 台積似乎不太重視個人自由，公司提供了我們這些歪果忍宿舍，但連雞毛蒜皮都要管，包 括了訪客限制的門禁時間等，另外選擇了長期住宿的人還需要額外花一個小時通勤。 Advice to Management The software used by TSMC is dated. Of course TSMC may not be alone in this as industry doesn't have the same motivation in software decisions as the consumer driven market has, which results in amazingly optimized applications. The apps people know and love meet a minimalist and aesthetic criteria for a reason. Big companies don't have the motivation but minimalist software with an aesthetic UI makes people more efficient at what they're doing and can save the company time. TSMC could even justify having its own internal software development team, and it would save massive amounts of money in people's time. A lot of software at TSMC also seems to be repetitive. TSMC should reduce the amount of software it has for different tasks, find functions that are repeated across applications and reduce to a common application. I joined TSMC for the same reason I became an engineer. I want to do something I'm passionate about and improve peoples lives in a lasting way. Semiconductors are a magic bullet that have changed and are changing our quality of life and the way we live. Unfortunately it seems TSMC doesn't enable the same outcome for many of its employees as the technology enables for the planet. The percentage of the budget going to pay employees at a company like TSMC is small compared to the cost of a fab, the equipment it houses, defective product and other issues. There's no reason TSMC can't increase the number of employees it has to allow people to go home to their families at a reasonable time each day and give them good benefits. I think TSMC might at least approach this in Arizona as it has to compete to retain and attract talent against companies like Intel right across the street. Too much time is spent in meetings to review the work from the last night/day in the morning, and to review what was done during the day again in the afternoon. These meetings add up to three hours in a day easily. That's a lot of the work day. Some of the solution may be in software. I truly believe most of these meetings could be automated. The engineer who last worked with the equipment would record tool status and changes, and makes recommendations. The manager gives approval to any recommendation or overrides, and the engineer coming into the next shift only looks at the tools they've been assigned to on this "hypothetical" application. The only person it makes sense to have three hours looking at this stuff is the manager who would have to make approval, hold engineers accountable or interject if need be. The rest of the staff should be able to cover the material that actually relates to them on their own in five to ten minutes. TSMC could automate this through software. This could also solve some of the issue with the long work days. People in TSMC Taiwan honestly are not being more productive than Americans on an eight hour work day. But tasks which don't contribute to what actually needs to be done in an efficient way suck up the employees time. The "e-learning" system TSMC uses to teach new employees is terrible and needs to be abandoned. I would seriously recommend TSMC to provide an anonymous survey to the entire company, but also specifically to the American hires as there are additional translation issues from Chinese which make the learning even worse. Chances are high that if the survey is actually anonymous people will confess they haven't learned anything from the e-learning, and it just wasted time they needed to learn their process. 對高層的建議 軟體真的過時了。當然台積不會是唯一的例子，因為製造業本身就不像服務業有強烈動機 要去改善軟體讓程式易於使用。大家會喜歡那些簡約有美感的軟體不是沒有道理的。台積 應該考慮設立專門的軟體團隊，去改進同事的工作效率，更可以省下許多同事的加班費。 一堆疊床架構的軟體應該要整合才是。 我加入台積選擇成為工程師是因為我想要改善人們的生活，而半導體也正是這麼一個神奇 的角色可以改善人們的生活。不幸的是，台積對於員工生活品質的改善似乎不如對於世界 的貢獻，台積有能力可以改善員工的生活品質、員工的住宿，甚至台積也可以增聘人事， 讓員工在工作同時也可以兼顧家人。特別是考慮到未來台積要到 Arizona 和同樣在附近 的 Intel 一同競爭。 此外，在台積的工作每天也都要花一堆時間在開會。晨會回顧前一天的工作狀況，下午則 回顧當天的狀況。我想很多事情應該都可以簡化和自動化的... (略)。我不認為在美國正 常上班工作的人產出會比在台灣花上許多時間工作開會的人少。 最後則是台積的 e-learning 系統。這真是他Ｘ的爛透了，應該整個打掉重練。如果台積 可以對從美國來台受訓的人們做匿名調查，應該可以理解到系統裡面一堆翻譯錯誤，也可 以知道根本沒有辦法從中學習到東西，單純只是來浪費大家時間的。 -- 台積或許已經是台灣最好的公司 但整體的公司文化也還有台灣多數公司的不少特質 在前進世界設廠的時候 也可以考慮多多向不同文化的優勢學習 -- Assisi 雅夕 https://fb.me/AssisiPTT https://www.instagram.com/assisi_di_francesco/ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 114.45.96.18 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Tech_Job/M.1635650179.A.8D7.html
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10/31 11:22, 2年前 , 1F
真的爛
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10/31 11:22, 2年前 , 2F
美國人最好能適應這種奴工文化
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10/31 11:27, 2年前 , 3F
菜雞的意見很重要嗎真照他講下場就變intel
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10/31 11:29, 2年前 , 4F
第三世界管理來了
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10/31 11:30, 2年前 , 5F
結果美國台積都是台灣外派過去
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10/31 11:30, 2年前 , 6F
台積歡迎”志同道合“的人 這句話也對老外成立
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10/31 11:30, 2年前 , 7F
比起菜鳥 有其他半導體大廠經驗的來評論比較有意義
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10/31 11:31, 2年前 , 9F
菜鳥沒做個一年兩年可能根本還不知道自己要幹嘛
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10/31 11:34, 2年前 , 10F
GG開始接受美帝洗禮囉
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10/31 11:36, 2年前 , 11F
賣命工作的地方。非常辛苦 薪水不錯 沒有熱情
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10/31 11:38, 2年前 , 12F
讓世界看見台灣奴性讚
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10/31 11:39, 2年前 , 13F
版上的台積狗快去啊 不是很喜歡舔台積覽趴
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10/31 11:39, 2年前 , 14F
猛猛
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10/31 11:39, 2年前 , 15F
知道台灣人的厲害了吧
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10/31 11:39, 2年前 , 16F
所以台積跟本不可能到國外設廠，老外不做這種工作
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10/31 11:40, 2年前 , 17F
連pip install都不能下的公司 是能多期望這間公司
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10/31 11:40, 2年前 , 18F
的軟體
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10/31 11:41, 2年前 , 19F
張忠謀在美國幹那麼久 很清楚台積電成功的關鍵
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10/31 11:41, 2年前 , 20F
這世界只有台灣跟韓國有足夠的廉價專業勞力
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10/31 11:42, 2年前 , 21F
光搞定環境就要花掉N週 然後考績又是結果導向 最終
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10/31 11:42, 2年前 , 22F
就是做出一堆能動但不好用的東西啊 過幾年就又有Ref
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10/31 11:42, 2年前 , 23F
actor的CIT可以做 大家一起升官發財
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10/31 11:42, 2年前 , 24F
有些話不能講白 這就是成功老闆的秘密
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10/31 11:43, 2年前 , 25F
有專門的軟體部門阿 但不是幫忙改善你工作
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10/31 11:43, 2年前 , 26F
而是來嗨賴你 der 顆顆
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10/31 11:44, 2年前 , 27F
給你隨便pip要是抓到malicious package 可以pip誰？
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10/31 11:52, 2年前 , 28F
反正未來美國/日本都會大量從台灣遙控處理事情
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10/31 11:52, 2年前 , 29F
當地僅留必要的員額
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10/31 11:54, 2年前 , 30F
有一段意思有點誤解，不是說12hr一天在晶圓廠是合理
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10/31 11:54, 2年前 , 31F
的，是僅指假日輪班的部分
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10/31 11:55, 2年前 , 32F
GG競爭優勢的核心是台灣人和台灣勞動環境
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10/31 11:55, 2年前 , 33F
對GGIT來說這篇是不是很嗆
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10/31 11:57, 2年前 , 34F
e-learning不都是直接開考題然後做答
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10/31 11:58, 2年前 , 35F
老張都說了 台積電出不去台灣
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10/31 11:58, 2年前 , 36F
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10/31 12:02, 2年前 , 37F
Pros感覺都廢話XD
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10/31 12:02, 2年前 , 38F
台灣老闆這幾年都不喊不拆除出走就是發現東南亞勞
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10/31 12:02, 2年前 , 39F
工不好管 台灣勞工世界奴的
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還有 184 則推文
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10/31 22:08, 2年前 , 224F
E learning真的爛到不行
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10/31 22:31, 2年前 , 225F
全台灣企業的E learning真的全部樣子, 有空去傳統
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10/31 22:31, 2年前 , 226F
產業看看E learning你才會崩潰
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10/31 22:51, 2年前 , 227F
elearning 叫我翻譯成英文不叫我去念也怪
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10/31 22:51, 2年前 , 228F
那個英文口音我有點受不了～
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10/31 22:56, 2年前 , 229F
原來你也在這
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10/31 23:07, 2年前 , 230F
幹O娘 連網頁版ptt都要擋是多可悲
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10/31 23:08, 2年前 , 231F
我朋友說上那個只是浪費時間 還不如多去拉幾張ch
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10/31 23:08, 2年前 , 232F
art等等交接少被幹
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10/31 23:12, 2年前 , 233F
我還蠻想知道下次輪到日本人跟德國人去台積受訓
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10/31 23:12, 2年前 , 234F
會留下甚麼評語
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10/31 23:15, 2年前 , 235F
我猜華裔 過去留學之類的優先 畢竟能講中文 +骨子
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10/31 23:15, 2年前 , 236F
裡有賣肝的血液就是讚
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10/31 23:30, 2年前 , 237F
你翻好了記者連翻都省了真夠87，來這板的看不懂英
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10/31 23:30, 2年前 , 238F
文有可能嗎？
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10/31 23:34, 2年前 , 239F
你們就是想要台積的錢又不想付出工時
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10/31 23:35, 2年前 , 240F
小心當局出來禁言禁黑台積神山
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11/01 00:12, 2年前 , 241F
笑死 那個E learning真的是...
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11/01 00:12, 2年前 , 242F
台積真的爛，就是靠台灣人的奴
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11/01 01:23, 2年前 , 243F
優勢有講跟沒講一樣
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11/01 01:57, 2年前 , 244F
美國公司也沒比較不愛開會啦 美國公司一樣每年都目
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11/01 01:57, 2年前 , 245F
標要減少多少開會時間啊 但有低能高層在 開會時間
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11/01 01:57, 2年前 , 246F
就很難減下來
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11/01 02:17, 2年前 , 247F
裡面一堆演戲的～尤其是南科台積封測
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噓
11/01 03:38, 2年前 , 248F
聽起來很台企
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11/01 06:48, 2年前 , 249F
IT跟屎一樣
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11/01 08:27, 2年前 , 250F
這一定是外國人來黑GG的 或是進不了GG亂黑的 外國人
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11/01 08:27, 2年前 , 251F
沒競爭力 怎麼跟台積比
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11/01 09:10, 2年前 , 252F
台灣科技公司一堆都跟台積一樣，什麼都靠人力去彌補
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11/01 09:25, 2年前 , 253F
台灣人講就是幹話，老美講的才有人聽
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11/01 12:11, 2年前 , 255F
加入GG是為了改善人們生活，有人相信？
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11/01 14:44, 2年前 , 256F
多數台灣公司學習還是靠師徒制，e-learning不少公
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11/01 14:44, 2年前 , 257F
司都一樣，就學個皮毛，重點還是來應付稽核用的
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11/01 15:47, 2年前 , 258F
這位應該過不了試用期
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11/01 21:50, 2年前 , 259F
等等 intel做三休四？ 有這麼爽？
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11/01 21:50, 2年前 , 260F
我去問問我朋友......
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11/01 21:52, 2年前 , 261F
他是不是以為是作業員？
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11/01 23:16, 2年前 , 262F
他寫得真好 翻譯的也很棒
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11/02 10:26, 2年前 , 263F
被看破手腳了吧
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