Fw: [新聞] Steam正在禁止有著太年輕角色的色情遊戲

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Steam Is Banning Sex Games With Young-Looking Characters https://tinyurl.com/ybh4zgyo These days, anything goes on Steam, but not anything anything. If games are “ illegal, or straight up trolling,” Valve says it’ll send them packing. In the past, that’s meant low-effort games with titles like Big Dick and MILF, achievement spam, and certain sex games. Now, according to some developers, Valve is going after games that feature themes of “child exploitation,” which it seems to define, at least in part, as games with sex scenes or nudity where the characters are in high school. Over the past few weeks, the company has removed the store pages of several visual novels, including cross-dressing yaoi romance Cross Love, catholic school adult visual novel Hello Goodbye, “story about the love between siblings” (yuck) Imolicious, and cat girl game MaoMao Discovery Team. The developers of these games all claim to have received similar emails stating that their games could not be released on Steam. “While we can ship most titles on Steam, we found that this one does feature themes of child exploitation,” read the email received by Top Hat Studios, makers of Cross Love. “Because of that, the app has been banned and cannot be reused.” There are a couple ties that bind the games in question: 1) Cross Love, Hello Goodbye, and Imolicious feature school settings, and 2) all four of the aforementioned games contain adult elements and center around anime-styled characters who appear young—in some cases uncomfortably so. However, their developers have taken to protesting the bans on social media, saying that their games have been misunderstood. They all claim they’ve reached out to Valve since receiving their bans, only to be met with silence. Cross Love’s developers say they’ve taken great pains to ensure that their game demonstrates, on multiple occasions, that its students are of age. This includes scenes where they peruse 18+ manga and are ID-ed before being allowed into an adult bookstore. “These scenes aren’t there to be artificially shoehorned in, and while they do exist as further proof of characters’ ages (beyond the disclaimer in the beginning that explicitly states them as being 18), the real reason they’re there is to further many of the themes in the story,” said developer Top Hat to Kotaku in a Twitter DM, pointing out that it’s tried to contact Valve with this information six separate times, to no avail. “A large chunk of the story is about accepting who you are, being comfortable with yourself, and altogether similar themes within a type of coming of age-style love story, which isn’t really seen in most yaoi games.” “While we can ship most titles on Steam, we found that this one does feature themes of child exploitation.” Other games are more questionable. Imolicious’ developer claims there aren’ t “any children” in the game, but it revolves around school girls. When I pointed out that most school girls are, by definition, children, developer Yume Creations replied in a DM: “High school students aren’t children, they are teenager[s].” Most teenagers in high school are still minors, so that rationale doesn’t really hold water. The developer also noted, however, that “in [the] case of Imolicious, I added a disclaimer that all characters [are] over 18 like you can see in most visual novels.” They’re not wrong: This is a trend among visual novels featuring adult material—and more broadly among “loli” anime, which tends to feature suspiciously young-looking women who are said to be over 18. But while some take these declarations at face value, others view them as obvious (and creepy) fig leaves. “Having a disclaimer stating that a drawing is of consensual age or not is a ridiculous thing to rely upon,” said one user in a Steam forum thread discussing MaoMao Discovery Team’s legality. “At the end of the day, it is a fictional drawing that does not have an age. If you think they look too young, then they are too young. A bit of text saying ‘this person is 20' changes nothing.” Which brings us to the heart of the matter: It’s Valve’s store, and what it says goes. If someone at Valve decides characters look too young, then they’ re too young. Top Hat, however, believes there’s a double standard at play here, not unlike the one some developers felt they’d fallen victim to before Valve officially allowed uncensored sex games on Steam. Other games that feature young-looking characters, school settings, and romantic/sexual themes, like Nekopara Extra, Sakura Sakura, A Piece Of Wish Upon The Stars, and Material Girl, are all still on Steam, Top Hat pointed out. Kotaku reached out to Valve to ask about the rationale behind banning certain games, but has yet to hear back. Imolicious developer Yume Creations says it’s given up on trying to get the game on Steam, opting instead to release an uncensored version on internet hentai capital Fakku. In a Steam post, MaoMao’s developers made it sound like they, too, are throwing in the towel. But while Top Hat has put Cross Love up on other stores like Itch.io and Nutaku, it’s still giving Steam the old hopefully-at-least-college-age try. “Steam is a major service, and we had hundreds of players looking forward to buying the game there upon release,” Top Hat said. “The game had wishlists in the thousands, and the community group had several hundred people in it. This is a very large userbase to lose out on, and it hurts us pretty bad. It’ s not world ending, but it is quite the end of the year blow.” ==== 關鍵字:Child Exploitation 兒童削剝 所以Cross Love、Hello Goodbye、MaoMao Discovery Team這些遊戲才會被刪除頁面。 兒童削剝呀!不意外就是了,這在美國是逆鱗級的議題。 -- 我的故事可不那麼讓人覺得舒服。它不是那種有著甜蜜歡樂情節的幻想小說。 我的故事充滿了混亂而又難以察覺的陰影,充滿了瘋狂和噩夢, 和那些不再自欺欺人地生活的人們一樣。 ──赫曼‧赫塞── -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.165.33.18 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/C_Chat/M.1544231297.A.D9C.html ※ 編輯: wizardfizban (1.165.33.18), 12/08/2018 09:08:37

12/08 09:26, 5年前 , 1F
希望不要升級成有日本風格就是兒童
12/08 09:26, 1F

12/08 09:26, 5年前 , 2F
對美國人來說,亞洲人就是未成年
12/08 09:26, 2F
這個說白了就是兒童色情問題啦!你不搞色情遊戲就沒差。 美國這個管超嚴,大家都知道。

12/08 09:28, 5年前 , 3F
五樓的熟女風格沒這個問題
12/08 09:28, 3F
※ 編輯: wizardfizban (1.165.33.18), 12/08/2018 09:30:55

12/08 09:34, 5年前 , 4F
日本不是都是「我看起來很小隻,可是我已經滿18歲了喔」
12/08 09:34, 4F

12/08 09:37, 5年前 , 5F
哀 怪不得日本很多HG公司都在觀望 終究保守才是對的
12/08 09:37, 5F

12/08 09:38, 5年前 , 6F
年紀24歲 外表6歲
12/08 09:38, 6F

12/08 09:44, 5年前 , 7F
valve到底是怎樣 瘋狂反覆橫跳耶
12/08 09:44, 7F

12/08 09:45, 5年前 , 8F

12/08 09:47, 5年前 , 9F
因為真的很煩,一下可以一下不行的,審核過了還會被搞
12/08 09:47, 9F

12/08 09:47, 5年前 , 10F
。整個就是創作,沒有傷害任何人,然後要被處罰,這真
12/08 09:47, 10F

12/08 09:47, 5年前 , 11F
的很過分
12/08 09:47, 11F

12/08 09:56, 5年前 , 12F
正確呀,支持
12/08 09:56, 12F

12/08 09:57, 5年前 , 13F
說他成年看起來像兒童的本來就有問題
12/08 09:57, 13F

12/08 09:59, 5年前 , 14F
5000歲但外觀像10歲精靈的可以嗎?
12/08 09:59, 14F

12/08 10:00, 5年前 , 15F
勸你別碰我mirror喔
12/08 10:00, 15F

12/08 10:04, 5年前 , 16F
mirror奶那麼大…怎麼看也不像
12/08 10:04, 16F

12/08 10:17, 5年前 , 17F
問題大了,應為他們看日式畫風全都是兒童色情
12/08 10:17, 17F

12/08 10:17, 5年前 , 18F
12/08 10:17, 18F

12/08 10:19, 5年前 , 19F
一個「說你太年輕就太年輕,大人快禁他」的概念
12/08 10:19, 19F

12/08 10:22, 5年前 , 20F
比起mirror,我更擔心Nekopara就是了...
12/08 10:22, 20F

12/08 10:26, 5年前 , 21F
人真的很奇怪 肥宅娶二維老婆我們噓他快醒 不是真的
12/08 10:26, 21F

12/08 10:27, 5年前 , 22F
然後又一堆躲舒適圈整天噴二維 這個不行 那個不行
12/08 10:27, 22F

12/08 10:28, 5年前 , 23F
不敢處理真實世界同樣發生的議題
12/08 10:28, 23F

12/08 10:29, 5年前 , 24F
終究還是要日本自己搞平台啦 等東澳過去吧 哀
12/08 10:29, 24F

12/08 10:30, 5年前 , 25F
認真在二次元打稻草人還覺得自己很有供獻的SJW真虛偽
12/08 10:30, 25F

12/08 10:50, 5年前 , 26F
不太意外就是了
12/08 10:50, 26F

12/08 10:51, 5年前 , 27F
valve:我想賺錢但我不想得罪fbi
12/08 10:51, 27F

12/08 10:52, 5年前 , 28F
正確個屌 火車全部給我幹起來
12/08 10:52, 28F

12/08 10:59, 5年前 , 29F
額 本來就不能違反當地法律吧 不過審核過在取消這對開發
12/08 10:59, 29F

12/08 10:59, 5年前 , 30F
商很慘就是了
12/08 10:59, 30F

12/08 11:23, 5年前 , 31F
禁這個對防止戀童癖有意義嗎,實在很懷疑
12/08 11:23, 31F

12/08 11:35, 5年前 , 32F
一群對二次元角色喊著我老婆的阿宅們對社會是很危險的
12/08 11:35, 32F

12/08 11:40, 5年前 , 33F
兒童色情是絕對大忌,這個肯定沒話說
12/08 11:40, 33F

12/08 11:42, 5年前 , 34F
超讚成!! 不過要怎麼認定年輕角色 標準為何是重點
12/08 11:42, 34F

12/08 11:46, 5年前 , 35F
臉跟發育看起來只有國小 結果年齡寫17歲的 這種超該禁
12/08 11:46, 35F

12/08 11:47, 5年前 , 36F
噁心戀童癖不要想在那邊帶風向 趕快去治療
12/08 11:47, 36F

12/08 12:13, 5年前 , 37F
樓上你怎麼看起來這麼了解
12/08 12:13, 37F
還有 80 則推文
12/08 16:18, 5年前 , 118F
講難聽一點,這年代,蘿莉控想找門路也不可能
12/08 16:18, 118F

12/08 16:18, 5年前 , 119F
去多抄了幾個黑幫人蛇比較實在,但政府根本不敢真動
12/08 16:18, 119F

12/08 16:30, 5年前 , 120F
講真實一點,這世代錢說話,有錢權力階級高,所有人
12/08 16:30, 120F

12/08 16:30, 5年前 , 121F
包含政府都得低頭,那你要怎玩都行,真人死鬥、買處女
12/08 16:30, 121F

12/08 16:31, 5年前 , 122F
玩蘿莉都行,但對絕大部分的普通人必須用嚴格極端的規
12/08 16:31, 122F

12/08 16:32, 5年前 , 123F
規章去禁止,去扼殺這種慾望
12/08 16:32, 123F

12/08 16:36, 5年前 , 124F
再說下去等等估計會有人冒出來說"禁個幼女而已 這也能吵"
12/08 16:36, 124F

12/08 16:46, 5年前 , 125F
總歸來說,蘿莉H或是殺人遊戲多多少少有瘋子真的付諸
12/08 16:46, 125F

12/08 16:47, 5年前 , 126F
實際行為犯案,但是殺成人比較難還是殺/誘拐小朋友難?
12/08 16:47, 126F

12/08 16:47, 5年前 , 127F
小朋友是拿來保護的
12/08 16:47, 127F

12/08 17:04, 5年前 , 128F
本末倒置吧 會誘拐真實女童的還會跑去玩遊戲??
12/08 17:04, 128F

12/08 17:05, 5年前 , 129F
假道德一堆 這跟遊戲使人暴力的看法有什麼兩樣
12/08 17:05, 129F

12/08 17:11, 5年前 , 130F
因為凡事皆有可能,誘拐不玩遊戲有,玩遊戲虛擬滿足不
12/08 17:11, 130F

12/08 17:12, 5年前 , 131F
了去誘拐也有可能,您說的打殺遊戲後變暴力也有可能
12/08 17:12, 131F

12/08 17:13, 5年前 , 132F
只是不能因為個案就說整個群體都是不管戀童or打殺
12/08 17:13, 132F

12/08 17:23, 5年前 , 133F
有人說持有就犯法還真幽默,那開發公司早就被抄掉啦XD
12/08 17:23, 133F

12/08 17:57, 5年前 , 134F
所以歐美就是一邊幹小女孩小男孩 一邊義正嚴詞的
12/08 17:57, 134F

12/08 17:57, 5年前 , 135F
限制空想創作
12/08 17:57, 135F

12/08 17:57, 5年前 , 136F
日本就是只敢做遊戲畫漫畫打手槍 強暴小孩這種事
12/08 17:57, 136F

12/08 17:57, 5年前 , 137F
做不出來 大家都知道喇
12/08 17:57, 137F

12/08 18:22, 5年前 , 138F
訂一條線出來對大家都好,我說真的
12/08 18:22, 138F

12/08 18:23, 5年前 , 139F
到時被衛道人士來個無限上綱你才痛
12/08 18:23, 139F

12/08 18:41, 5年前 , 140F
持有就犯法有些地方還真的不是開玩笑 宅宅帶一堆日漫回
12/08 18:41, 140F

12/08 18:41, 5年前 , 141F
去 被海關直接逮捕已經是好多年前的新聞了
12/08 18:41, 141F

12/08 19:08, 5年前 , 142F
所以要變瓦力了嗎?
12/08 19:08, 142F

12/08 19:34, 5年前 , 143F
我搜了一下內文中的遊戲,除了貓娘那部像國中生體型
12/08 19:34, 143F

12/08 19:35, 5年前 , 144F
剩下的都高中生正常人體型阿
12/08 19:35, 144F

12/08 19:35, 5年前 , 145F
當然也可能是角色很多我沒google到
12/08 19:35, 145F

12/08 19:36, 5年前 , 146F
不過要酸羅莉控的建議先去查完再來酸
12/08 19:36, 146F

12/08 19:38, 5年前 , 147F
高中生體型已經是正常人體型了,跟戀童癖差很多好嗎
12/08 19:38, 147F

12/08 19:50, 5年前 , 148F
社會上一個很簡單的邏輯:
12/08 19:50, 148F

12/08 19:50, 5年前 , 149F
躲在家裡打電動的 整天被追打
12/08 19:50, 149F

12/08 19:50, 5年前 , 150F
在路上混幫派的 什麼人包括一堆警察都會躲你躲很遠幾乎可以
12/08 19:50, 150F

12/08 19:50, 5年前 , 151F
說為所欲為
12/08 19:50, 151F

12/08 19:51, 5年前 , 152F
所以根本不是對/錯問題
12/08 19:51, 152F

12/08 19:51, 5年前 , 153F
是好不好欺負的問題
12/08 19:51, 153F

12/08 20:32, 5年前 , 154F
樓上講的不是邏輯而是亂象
12/08 20:32, 154F

12/08 20:32, 5年前 , 155F
not cool, bro.
12/08 20:32, 155F

12/08 23:25, 5年前 , 156F
這社會不就亂象稱王嘛XD
12/08 23:25, 156F

12/11 00:06, 5年前 , 157F
Bravo!
12/11 00:06, 157F
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