Re: The Mysterious Disappearing Joba

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※ 引述《abc12812 ()》之銘言: : http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/blogs/2009/06/14/the-mysterious-disappearing-joba/ : It wasn’t too long ago that all we heard was “Joba, Joba, Joba.” You couldn : ’t turn on ESPN without them drooling over the thick-bodied young righty and : how good he was and how much better he was going to be. Then a funny thing : happened. Joba stopped being Joba. : Before we dive into looking at what is wrong with Joba Chamberlain, let’s : take a look at my scouting report I wrote on him in the spring of 2008: 不久前ESPN上還在天天Joba!Joba!Joba的鬼叫並告訴你未來這個胖胖的年輕右投- Joba會多好多強大,然而美夢不過三個月,Joba不再威風八面。讓我們在深入探討 原因前,先看看我在2008年寫的球探報告。 (搞錯敘述對象 修改一下) : Pitch Repertoire : * Fastball: Chamberlain is a power pitcher with a big frame whose : fastball sits in the mid to upper-90’s and occasionally hits triple : digits. He also has very good control of his fastball and is able to : locate it anywhere in the zone. This also helps set up his slew of : secondary pitches. : * Change-up: Chamberlain has been working on improving his change-up and : it is getting better with time. As of now it is sitting in the low-80’s : and is lacking enough movement to make it a stand out pitch. It is : effective enough of a pitch to incorporate into his game plan but it will : take more work to be a solid major league pitch. : * Curveball: Chamberlain doesn’t use his curve too much for a couple of : reasons. For one it’s not nearly as good as his fastball or slider which : he predominantly uses coming out of the bullpen. Secondly it just isn’t : that effective of a pitch for him yet as he doesn’t have reliable : control over it. It is more of a slow looping curve that generally sits : between 79-82 mph. This approach is ok during his time in the bullpen : when a dominating fastball and hard slider will work great, but he may : want to fine tune it a little more before joining the Yankees rotation. : * Slider: Chamberlain’s other dominating pitch is his plus slider. It : sits in the neighborhood of 85-89 mph and is used just as much (and : effectively) as his fastball. As a power pitcher, Chamberlain uses his : hard slider as his strikeout pitch as he keeps it low in the zone and : constantly over matches hitters as they swing and miss. When he has it : working it is a simply devastating pitch that even if you know it is : coming is almost impossible to hit. 使用球種 快速球:球速有90中~90上,偶爾可以破百。Command和Control也很好。對他的第 二球種相當有幫助。 變速球:Joba變速球品質與時俱增,目前球速有80下但幅度仍不足以成為一個出色 的球種。用在比賽中依然有成效,但需要更加努力。 曲球:因為幾個原因他不常用。1、這不如他在牛棚時期用的速球及滑球出色。2、 control不夠好。他的曲球是在80前後的慢速曲球,這對牛棚時期的他當然ok, 但要在洋基先發陣容中,則需再加強。 滑球:灰熊棒。80中到80上而且跟速球一樣常用(而且有用)。常作為決勝球,而進 壘位置,也能造成許多空振。 : Pitcher’s Makeup : * Delivery: Chamberlain grades very high when it comes to his delivery : despite the fact that it at times can seem a bit violent. But anytime you : have a pitcher trying to hit triple digits on the gun you are going to : see some sort of effort put into it. Chamberlain’s strong frame and : powerful legs are used very prevalently in his delivery which is where he : generates his dominating stuff. : * Mechanics: While Chamberlain has a very good delivery, he does have a : little room for improvement in his mechanics. The real test will be when : he moves from the bullpen to the rotation and has to go 6 or 7 innings : versus one or two. : * Big Game Factor: Chamberlain is perfect to pitch in a big time city : like New York for a big time team like the Yankees. It has been said : numerous times that he has ice water running through his veins and has : shown it coming down the stretch run last season. 化妝技巧 粉底:上很多... 啊!抱歉弄錯了! Delivery:灰熊棒,但感覺有點粗暴,雖然很多power型投手都是這樣的,而Joba的 確因此能投出高球速。 Mechanics:跟Delivery和先發牛棚的差異比起來有待加強 霸氣!!!!!:吼~~~~ : As you can see he has all the makings to be a true stud pitcher for the : Yankees. So now let’s take a look at a few of the signs (other than horrible : stat lines) that Chamberlain just hasn’t been the same pitcher he once was. : For starters, Chamberlain’s once electric fastball that consistently was : hitting 97 mph and above is now lucky to reach 93 mph. Take a look at the two : PitchFX graphs courtesy of BrooksBaseball.net. 好吧!Why is Joba not Joba now?以前隨隨便便都97現在偶爾才能93?看看 BrooksBaseball.net做的PitchFX比較分析。(這部份都不翻譯) : July 25, 2008 : June 12, 2009 : The first chart is against the Red Sox from July 25 of last year. As you can : see his fastball was sizzling throughout a game in which he went seven : innings, gave up zero runs, three hits and struck out nine. But then when you : compare it to his last start against the Mets in which he threw 100 pitches : through only four innings of work, you can see he wasn’t in the upper 90’s, : but rather in the low 90’s. This also made his slider less effective as the : difference in velocity wasn’t there as it once was. : Speaking of Chamberlain’s slider, that too has been a huge issue for him. : Once his unhittable out pitch, it has now become flat and much more : ineffective. Take a look at the PitchFX graphs from the same games and see : how they compare. : July 25, 2008 : June 12, 2009 : Look what a huge difference there is in the vertical movement of his slider. : Last season the drop was sudden and severe. This season is sort of lazily : hangs there with no real bite. Up until this season his slider was considered : a “plus-plus” pitch which made him incredibly dominant when combined with : his upper 90’s heat. But with neither one of those pitches to reach back for : when he needs it, it’s no wonder he’s struggling so much to pitch deep into : games. : Now we know what the issues are but we still don’t know why. There’s no : logical reason a 22-year old stud should all of a sudden lose his velocity : that much and forget how to throw his devastating slider. This leads me to : believe one of two things. Either it’s a.) he’s injured or b.) it’s his : mechanics. ok!我們發現有問題了但不知道為什麼。這聽起來很不合理,他才22歲,球速就突 然消失了,他突然忘記怎麼丟災難滑球了。這只有兩種可能 a.他受傷了 b.他的mechanics有問題 : I’ll scrap the injury part right away because there is no way the Yankees : would be trotting out the man who was anointed their future savior if he was : injured. Especially the way they keep him on such a short leash with pitch : counts. This option just doesn’t make sense. 暫時不考慮傷痛問題,一來洋基不可能坐視不管,二來洋基也保護的十分周到。 (忘記是簡譯 用了代名詞 囧>) : I have spent a lot of time scouting and analyzing Chamberlain the past couple : of seasons. My initial analysis of Chamberlain this past spring and early on : in the year is that he wasn’t pitching the same as he did in the past. He is : a mess right now with his delivery. Here’s what I have most notably seen: 我花了很多時間研究,發現問題是在他的delivery,以下是幾個明顯的地方: : * He isn’t tucking his front shoulder in causing his shoulder to fly : open. : * That in turn is messing up his arm action which hasn’t been consistent : all season. : * When he rears back to throw his slider his arm is trailing behind him : too much which is why his slider isn’t coming out of his hand properly : and generating as much spin causing it to be flat. : * Then to finish things off he isn’t landing with ease anymore as he : plants his foot. His leg is locking up as he lands causing his body to : not give a full follow through. * 肩膀沒收好 * 前述的影響到他的手臂 * 當他收回姿勢要投滑球時手沒跟上身體太多 * 投完球之後腳好像釘著了 : Those are the main pieces as to why his mechanics are currently messed up. : Now these things aren’t happening consistently with every single pitch, but : it is happening enough to where it is severely affecting his performance. 姿勢出錯的地方影響很大 : The Yankees how have a huge dilemma on their hands. They have a pitcher who : is lucky to give them 5 or 6 innings each time he takes the mound as a : starter (and still hits the 100 pitch mark). This isn’t just inconvenient as : a “superstar” pitcher, it also kills their bullpen which has enough : problems as it is. 投了一百球還是只能撐五局,牛棚都被Joba殺光光了。 : Based on all of this, I’d say the Yankees have no option but to put Joba : back in the bullpen. It has been the only place he has consistently been : effective and he seems to be so much happier out there. New York needs that : intensity back. They need the “Joba Rules” back. Maybe, just maybe, a : return to the bullpen is just what he needs to get himself back on track. If : Joba can’t find his velocity he is in some pretty big trouble as he doesn’t : have the accuracy to be a control pitcher. He needs the gas and the hard : slider in order to be an effective major league pitcher. 放回牛棚並重訂Joba Rule!這是洋基唯一的辦法了! : And in New York who knows how long his leash will be before they move onto : someone else. 到底還要保護多久?Who knows? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.119.135.118 ※ 編輯: kimifort 來自: 140.119.135.118 (06/15 20:21)

06/15 20:28, , 1F
拜託趕快把投教炒掉好不好
06/15 20:28, 1F

06/15 20:29, , 2F
感覺投教越來越黑了
06/15 20:29, 2F

06/15 20:45, , 3F
投教難道是牛棚投手丘後方的人型立牌?
06/15 20:45, 3F

06/15 20:48, , 4F
跟小王之前一樣球速降了四賣
06/15 20:48, 4F

06/15 20:51, , 5F
真的不知道Eiland到底有什麼貢獻 = =
06/15 20:51, 5F

06/15 20:53, , 6F
生涯12勝27敗ERA 5.74的貢獻
06/15 20:53, 6F

06/15 20:58, , 7F
原文沒有說「espn的肥佬」吧?( ゚д゚)
06/15 20:58, 7F
抱歉 我不太會用google翻譯功能 搞錯敘述對象了 囧rz

06/15 21:04, , 8F
投教自己快走一走吧!!
06/15 21:04, 8F

06/15 21:08, , 9F
投手教練黑到發紫了~~~
06/15 21:08, 9F

06/15 21:17, , 10F
才22歲不進步反而退步 傷害很大
06/15 21:17, 10F

06/15 21:18, , 11F
咳,Eiland換了位置換了腦袋
06/15 21:18, 11F

06/15 21:18, , 12F
不要忘了Hughes和Joba在大聯盟之前也都是Eiland帶的...
06/15 21:18, 12F

06/15 21:19, , 13F
所以他們一直站不穩,蠻合理的.....
06/15 21:19, 13F

06/15 21:20, , 14F
是喔
06/15 21:20, 14F

06/15 21:21, , 15F
Hughes第一年丟得還不錯,第二年受傷
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06/15 21:21, , 16F
Joba前兩年一直都很有宰制力
06/15 21:21, 16F
※ 編輯: kimifort 來自: 140.119.135.118 (06/15 21:22)

06/15 21:21, , 17F
技窮??
06/15 21:21, 17F

06/15 21:27, , 18F
Hughes第一年的教練是古椎吧?然後去年換Eiland後大炸.
06/15 21:27, 18F

06/15 21:30, , 19F
投教又中槍了   這個投教真不討喜阿
06/15 21:30, 19F

06/15 21:31, , 20F
請問有可能季中就換投教的可能嗎?!!
06/15 21:31, 20F

06/15 21:33, , 21F
Eiland以前是3A Hughes Joba IPK帶的
06/15 21:33, 21F

06/15 21:35, , 22F
打錯 Hughes Joba IPK以前在3A是Eiland帶的
06/15 21:35, 22F

06/15 21:36, , 23F
他是不是沒法與其他非他帶出來投手好好相處?感覺他有些嚴肅
06/15 21:36, 23F

06/15 21:38, , 24F
有種為了一棵樹放棄整座森林的感覺
06/15 21:38, 24F

06/15 21:45, , 25F
Joba 3A根本沒待多久養得出來跟Eiland無關吧
06/15 21:45, 25F

06/15 21:46, , 26F
IPK跟Hughes也沒證明能在MLB等級生存 不覺得他功勞多大
06/15 21:46, 26F

06/15 21:51, , 27F
先去看一下Hughes在MLB的成績再來說能不能生存好咩.
06/15 21:51, 27F

06/15 21:54, , 28F
Hughes早就證明能在大聯盟立足啦 只是還沒達到大家的期望
06/15 21:54, 28F

06/15 21:57, , 29F
大帝本來就認為很有前途了,跟他有甚麼關係,難道每
06/15 21:57, 29F

06/15 21:58, , 30F
個牆頭會成功都是教練很強?如果這樣薪水應該是教練
06/15 21:58, 30F

06/15 21:58, , 31F
既然這樣想的話,那需要教練幹嘛,靠天份打就好啦
06/15 21:58, 31F

06/15 21:59, , 32F
最高,看今年除了cc幾乎都出狀況了
06/15 21:59, 32F

06/15 21:59, , 33F
反正球員有天份,教練碰不碰、改不改都沒差啊。
06/15 21:59, 33F

06/15 21:59, , 34F
主要是輔助,問題是他輔助在哪裡?
06/15 21:59, 34F

06/15 21:59, , 35F
我一開始說了換了位置換了腦袋
06/15 21:59, 35F

06/15 22:00, , 36F
近年來可以冒出這麼多投手可以用,幾乎都是Eiland帶出來的
06/15 22:00, 36F

06/15 22:00, , 37F
所以最適合他的位置就是乖乖回3a阿
06/15 22:00, 37F

06/15 22:00, , 38F
好嗎?說的好像他對洋基一點貢獻都沒有一樣
06/15 22:00, 38F

06/15 22:00, , 39F
他不回3a以後怎麼有好投手
06/15 22:00, 39F

06/15 22:01, , 40F
這句倒是中肯..XD 他不回3A以後怎麼有好投手?
06/15 22:01, 40F

06/15 22:04, , 41F
說不定,目前根本沒備用人選,不論是農場系統或外面
06/15 22:04, 41F

06/15 22:09, , 42F
不是沒有,只是面子掛不住...
06/15 22:09, 42F

06/15 22:16, , 43F
中入伸 ˊvˋ
06/15 22:16, 43F

06/15 22:24, , 44F
郭泰源 球員時期表現佳 很愛操 跟Girardi應該合得來
06/15 22:24, 44F

06/15 22:39, , 45F
devastating意思不是指有威力(破壞力)的嗎?
06/15 22:39, 45F

06/15 23:00, , 46F
大帝這個封號是誰取的啊?
06/15 23:00, 46F

06/15 23:00, , 47F
PTT鄉民
06/15 23:00, 47F

06/15 23:14, , 48F
把投教拿去作雞精吧~~!!
06/15 23:14, 48F

06/15 23:55, , 49F
有這麼多投手可以用 是他帶出來的沒錯 但站穩的咧?
06/15 23:55, 49F

06/15 23:55, , 50F
怎麼一下說教練影響投手不大 現在又說投球不能靠天份
06/15 23:55, 50F

06/16 00:02, , 51F
我的印象是國外鄉民就是了,之前(去年?)有討論過
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06/16 00:08, , 52F
投手這種東西,要養出來可以站穩很難耶-_-
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06/16 00:08, , 53F
04年那批"MLB" Top 50 Pitching Prospects站穩僅2成耶
06/16 00:08, 53F

06/16 00:10, , 54F
未看先猜 傷一半 那年是不是貓兒第一 小曹第二?
06/16 00:10, 54F

06/16 00:19, , 55F
灰熊棒XD
06/16 00:19, 55F

06/16 00:48, , 56F
王的球速已經回來八成了喔,小張應該也會回升啦
06/16 00:48, 56F

06/16 00:55, , 57F
可以飆到95上下 已經恢復9成以上了 小張我看應該是為了先發
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06/16 00:55, , 58F
的調整 所做的配速 並不期望他先發飆100麥
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06/16 01:02, , 59F
王的問題不只球速..
06/16 01:02, 59F

06/16 01:51, , 60F
別仰賴google翻出來了...翻譯機翻出來的都不怎麼樣
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06/16 08:02, , 61F
其實 Eiland 是派來的臥底 ...
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