Re: [新聞] The Future Of Chien-Ming Wang

看板NY-Yankees作者 (赤いの靈)時間15年前 (2009/03/25 11:39), 編輯推噓85(85推 0噓 82→)
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剛好有空, 簡單翻譯一下 我只翻小王那一段 : http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives/2009/03/3_up_jeter_hugh.html : 第二篇： : This is my rule: I try not to read the comments in the blog daily for several : reasons, but mainly because I have several friends who do blogs and get lost : in the nastiness and criticism of the postings of readers. I try to pick one : day a week, usually Sunday, to try and read as many of the comments as : possible finding that doing it with some distance and all at once tends to : help me process the comments and separate the clinically insane from those : making valid points. Really, sit back and read these comments some time and : tell me what has happened to civil debate and just general decency. Anonymity : plus anger is really some brew. : I point this out because a friend of mine told me he thought my posting : about Phil Hughes, as it regarded Chien-Ming Wang, was being generally : misinterpreted by those posting. So I am going to do what I have so far : resisted doing because I think it will not matter to people who come here : with bitterness or an agenda, and that is to further explain something. : What I wrote in the blog yesterday was this: "I suspect that if he (Hughes) : pitches well this year that the Yanks will either trade Wang (who can be a : free agent after the 2010 season) or not re-up with (Andy) Pettitte or put : (Joba) Chamberlain in the bullpen, especially if he demonstrates again in : 2009 that he cannot get through a season as a starter healthy." : I did not advocate that the Yankees should trade Wang. I simply put out a : scenario that I have discussed with Yankee officials. Wang is going to be : a free agent after the 2010 season so to keep him the Yankees are going to : have to pay him elite dollars over a long-term to stay: He will likely have : a case that he should be paid commensurate with the five years at $82.5 : million bestowed A.J. Burnett. And the Yanks, internally, are not positive : about going to such extents with Wang. He has pitched four seasons in the : majors and two have been interrupted by injury. They wonder how a pitcher : who does not strike out batters will age as he loses some bite on his sinking : fastball, especially since he has been sketchy in developing the rest of his : repertoire. And he would begin a new contract in 2011 at age 31, so you : almost certainly are buying declining years. 我並沒有認定說洋基需要交易小王, 我只是把我跟洋基幹部交談時所提出的可 能狀況說出來而已. 2010球季後小王就是FA, 要留他大概就要花一大筆錢類似AJ 的交易($82.5m) 可是在洋基內部, 其實並不是很想給小王長約 他在大聯盟有四年球季其中兩年因傷缺陣, 他們在想一個不會三振的投手當他老化他的 sinker已經不像現在這樣犀利時會怎樣? 尤其他現在養出其他配球還是跌跌撞撞的 而且新契約時他是31歲, 幾乎百分百確定你是買下他的衰退年... : Because of all of this, the Yankees have weighed trade scenarios in the past : involving Wang and, I suspect, they will continue to at least listen, : especially if they believe that Hughes is capable of being, at minimum, a : cost-effective, mid-rotation starter. The Yankee logic would be simple: If : they do not think they can go long-term with Wang then would they be better : off letting him pitch for them through 2010 or to use him to potentially fill : another area of need via trade? Remember, the Yanks might be hoping to : further stock the top of their rotation with someone they would rather invest : the money in than Wang such as a trade for a Roy Halladay or an international : signing of Yu Darvish. 就因為這樣, 以前洋基就有評估要交易小王, 而且, 我懷疑 他們依然會至少傾聽此可能性, 尤其洋基相信Hughes 最低限度可以成為 便宜的輪值中段投手, 洋基的邏輯很簡單, 如果他們不想跟小王簽長約 那就讓他投到2010 或者成為交易的一部分? 記住, 洋基寧願花錢 交易Halladay 或者簽 昨天差點黑到翻的達比修有 (XD) : If I were a betting man, I would suspect that the Yanks would keep Wang and : that if Hughes ends up in the rotation full-time in 2010 it would be because : either Pettitte was not retained or Chamberlain proved incapable of surviving : a full year as a starter. But I firmly believe the Yanks will remain : open-minded about Wang because I have yet to talk to a Yankee official who : is fully committed to keeping him long-term. 我賭除非要嗎Pettitte不能保留 或者 Joba 證明無法在大聯盟以先發生存整個球季 洋基才會留小王以及讓Huges在2010當整季輪值吧. 但基本上, 我相信洋基有機會是匯交易小王的, 目前幹部內還沒有人想給他長約 如果翻錯跟我講一下, 謝謝 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 121.44.28.159
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03/25 11:49, , 1F
世界果然是現實的...:~~~
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03/25 12:21, , 2F
如果Hughes明年可以站穩的話 我相信是不會跟小王續約的
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03/25 12:21, , 3F
補充：還要Joba今年或是明年必須證明他可以過完整個球季
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03/25 12:22, , 4F
因為這樣就起碼有穩定的四個投手了 剩下五號留給農場小兵
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03/25 12:23, , 5F
把王拿去換換看年輕的野手
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03/25 12:25, , 6F
很現實但也很合理...王是台灣之光不是洋基之光
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雖然他不錯也沒有到不可取代的地步
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03/25 12:26, , 8F
要這種等級的投手...洋基還是可以花錢從外面弄
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03/25 12:26, , 9F
沒有非花大錢續約不可的必要...殘酷的現實世界...
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03/25 12:35, , 10F
要從外面花錢弄 我想會弄個比王建民好的...
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03/25 12:36, , 11F
有打錯字啦 XD
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03/25 12:38, , 12F
個人還是不看好Hughes 認為他是名過於實的投手
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03/25 12:38, , 13F
今年沖擊一下CYA 錢自然就拿出來了
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03/25 12:39, , 14F
但Wang的配球穩定性不夠這是大問題 如果想拿長約的話...
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03/25 12:39, , 15F
說實話 連AJB都敢簽了 不留王實在沒啥意思
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03/25 12:40, , 16F
就是因為AJB簽下去了阿XD 所以五年內你一定會有CC/AJ/Joba
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03/25 12:41, , 17F
滑球變速球長出一顆就會簽了啦
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03/25 12:41, , 18F
Hughes只要證明可以吃下和小王差不多的勝場,就不太可能留王了
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03/25 12:41, , 19F
如果明年Hughes真的站穩 那就有四隻4年內必定有的了
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03/25 12:42, , 20F
我比較好奇的是,王和AJB,哪種投手的在衰退時候差異比較明顯
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03/25 12:43, , 21F
看誰先進某個地方吧== =;
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不討論DL的話應該是小王的生涯會比較短 因為三振能力
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03/25 12:44, , 23F
然後就看洋基了 留小王的話這個輪值可以用很久 可是你必須
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03/25 12:44, , 24F
扼殺下面新秀上來的機會
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03/25 12:45, , 25F
可是AJ年輕時手上就帶了不少傷 自然衰退得也快吧
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03/25 12:45, , 26F
不知AJB老了可不可以換成去年的MOOSE來看@@
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老實說以GM的立場來看是不該留王拉 大約卡死太多張了
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03/25 12:46, , 28F
只能期待他今年有超人般的表現== =
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03/25 12:46, , 29F
三振高不代表生涯長 但我覺得三振不高生涯鐵定不會長
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03/25 12:46, , 30F
老磨牙靠配球吃死打者也好些年了...王目前是硬碰硬的對決
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K/9至少也要5吧
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03/25 12:47, , 32F
王生涯K/9是?
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03/25 12:48, , 33F
王的生涯K/9是4左右 老磨牙去年還有5.6
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03/25 12:49, , 34F
假設2010年結束洋基跟王簽4年
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03/25 12:50, , 35F
會在2012年時有35歲的AJ和33歲的王同時在輪值上喔XD
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03/25 12:52, , 36F
如果今年王的三振長出來的話又不一樣了XD
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03/25 12:55, , 37F
其實我每年都在期待他可以變成好樂迪= =
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03/25 12:57, , 38F
沒有變成好樂迪就會被拿去搶別人家農場吧XD
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03/25 13:01, , 39F
如果豬頭B還在我們家的話 八成會被搶吧= =
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還有 88 則推文
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03/25 23:58, , 128F
同意樓樓上= =+
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03/26 00:00, , 129F
樓上幾位來洋基板說這種話啊?
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03/26 00:06, , 130F
聽說這裡是洋基板.........
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03/26 00:06, , 131F
有沒有很多人想進公海游泳的八卦啊？
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03/26 00:08, , 132F
講希望洋基被打爆的請先搞清楚這裡是什麼版
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03/26 00:08, , 133F
這裡是NY-YANKEES 不是CMWANG 也不是BASEBALL
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03/26 00:09, , 134F
那幾位是認為所有洋基迷都是王迷嗎
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03/26 00:10, , 135F
王不在洋基的話，我倒希望有些偽球迷可以滾蛋
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03/26 00:11, , 136F
拍謝 道個歉@@ 至於解釋就算了 這也只是假設
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推樓上
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我指的是nickyang大
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03/26 00:13, , 139F
王可以到紅襪呀...科科
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03/26 00:13, , 140F
解釋就算了？ 你有種去民進黨部說希望阿扁被槍斃 笑話 講話
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不看場合 還只是假設勒
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好啦 我本來不想影響版面的= =
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因為我小時候在boston長大 我本來支持紅襪啊
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不希望吵起來 然後這篇推文失焦
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早就失焦了吧,明明就只是篇美國記者的嘴砲文章,然後一堆
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還有E大不要扯政治...我推文沒有多想幾秒我錯了
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人就好像世界末日般的開始詛咒洋基,簡直是莫名奇妙......
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03/26 00:18, , 148F
我沒有特別要扯政治 只是提醒講話要看場合 你改成到國民黨
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大喊馬英九是GAY也無所謂 另外為我較衝動言論道歉 研究所
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再道歉一次好了 <(._.)>
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考到上火了.....抱歉
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三思而後行...
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03/26 00:38, , 153F
就水桶不就得了 到別人家唱衰都不用水桶 未免也太溫馨了
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03/26 00:39, , 154F
到此為止就好了，再有唱衰或挑釁的言語出現的話，直接桶了。
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03/26 00:39, , 155F
大家別急啊 別忘了現在2009還沒開季 這記者嘴砲太遠了 XD
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rain大算有誠意了 可原諒 另外兩位Mizkyo mark30204的話...
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再說應該不會像那幾位那麼貴....當然這只是不專業猜測 XD
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03/26 00:46, , 158F
不過說實在的 如果順利的話 我們再2-3年時間 Betance和
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McAllister大概就可以上來了 只要養好 王就掰了
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03/26 01:02, , 160F
養新秀要是有這麼容易就好了= =...
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03/26 01:06, , 161F
Mizkyo和mark30204板友警告一次 請注意發言場合
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相信沒有惡意只是一時不察 暫時不予水桶
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rainin板友已經道歉就不予警告
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另外這篇的請大家不要再出現與主題無關的爭吵 老板友
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也請稍微克制火氣
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為什麼沒三振能力老化速度就快阿 不太懂
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我只聽過Bill James講，沒三振能力職業生涯就短
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