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※ 引述《BastardRose (叛客)》之銘言: source: http://0rz.tw/0137v Gotta go with Joe! KAT O'BRIEN | kat.obrien@newsday.com October 14, 2007 文章看起來不難 翻起來卻很累 知易行難阿= = 先休息 1 BRING BACK JOE TORRE. 1 留住老托 It's true, the Yankees haven't won the World Series since 2000, but as numerous players have said, that's on them. Was Torre, a long-ago batting champion, supposed to grab a bat when his team hit a collective .228 in the Division Series? Was he supposed to give pitching coach Ron Guidry the ball as the staff compiled a 5.89 ERA in the playoffs? 沒錯,洋基從2000年起再也沒贏過世界大賽了.不過眾多球員也都說了,責任在他們自己 身上.難道在古老年代前曾拿過打擊王的老托,應該因為洋基這次系列賽吃鱉的.228打擊率 而上場打擊嗎? 或是因為投手群們難看的 5.89自責分率,而叫投教 Guidry上場投球嗎? Anything can happen once a team gets to October. But you have to make it there to have a chance to win the World Series. Torre's teams have done that, without fail. How many other managers can say the same? That's right, zero. Even Bobby Cox's Braves failed to reach the playoffs the past two seasons. 別忘了,十月份是什麼都可能發生的季節.不過起碼要先確保能拿到進季後賽的門票. 否則哪來的贏得WS呢?老托所帶領的洋基做到了前者,有多少總教練能跟老托一樣每年 都帶隊進play off? 一個都沒有! 即使是 Bobby Cox所帶領的勇士,這兩季連季後賽都擠不進. Nobody is better than Torre at handling the collection of stars the Yankees have, even winning over Alex Rodriguez this season, but up-and-comers such as Melky Cabrera and Shelley Duncan adore him too. He's terrific at dealing with the spotlight in New York as well as the whims of owner George Steinbrenner. Replacing Torre with Don Mattingly or Joe Girardi is no surefire success, unlike Torre himself. Even general manager Brian Cashman said Tuesday: "Joe's had a tremendous run here as manager. His contract's expiring, and now the discussion is about how best to go forward. His reign so far has been terrific. You'd sign up for it right now if you could find it." Hello! You already have it. And you can keep it if you bring back Torre. Of all the recent seasons the Yankees haven't won the World Series, this one gives the least cause to change managers. He did a superb job this season in guiding the team to the playoffs after a poor start fueled by a slew of injuries. Bringing him back could help hang on to Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada and Andy Pettitte, too. Torre should be given a new contract that allows him to open the new Yankee Stadium in 2009. 沒有人比老托更會凝聚洋基這群巨星們了,甚至連億元男 A-ROD都對老托讚譽有加. 新生代的雪莉跟小卡布也都相當尊重這位老教頭.尤其是在處理紐約閃死人不償命的 鎂光燈上,老托的工夫跟大老闆相比可是不惶多讓阿! 讓老唐或 Joe Girardi取代托瑞,並不能確保會帶來成功.現金人發表聲明:"老托在這 執掌球隊多年,如今合約也到期了.現在我們所討論的,是未來要如何才會更好.在他 帶隊的期間,真是棒透了!如果能馬上再跟老托續簽的話,何樂而不為阿!" 拜託!這正是洋基一直在做的阿!只要續簽老托,一切都會跟以前一樣很輸湖.當然這幾年 都沒能拿下WS也給了換走老托的理由.不過他這季除了強運,根本就神阿.從季初滿坑滿谷 的球員見鬼般的自動DL,最大14.5的勝差一路殺進季後賽, "娘子,快出來看上帝阿!" 況且留下老托也讓老Mo、帥佩、波殺大多了更多意願留下.老托應該拿到一份能讓他 2009在洋基新主場繼續帶隊的新合約. 2 FIND AN ACE. 2 補強王牌... Lose the hopes that Chien-Ming Wang might be developing into an ace. Wang is a very good pitcher who has won 38 games the past two seasons. He is not an ace, though. Wang is the biggest reason we're even talking about Torre's job status instead of watching the Yankees play the Red Sox in the ALCS. In 5 2/3 innings, he gave up fully half (12) of the runs the team allowed in the Division Series, with a 19.06 ERA in two starts. 失去了小王當上王牌的希望.小王當然是個非常棒的選手,過去兩季也為洋基贏下38勝 (全大聯盟最多) 不過他不是Ace啦...(Maybe only time will tell) 耶...因為小王,我們無法在美聯 冠軍戰中與紅襪世仇交會,只能坐在這討論著老托的去留... 兩戰先發,5 2/3局的投球中,小王丟了12分,笑臉人整個系列賽得分中的一半... 19.06的自責分率 囧 Here are two thoughts on getting an ace: Put Joba Chamberlain in the starting rotation. What he showed in two months in the majors had scouts drooling. Chamberlain, who just turned 22, allowed one earned run in 19 games and 24 innings in relief. He gave up 12 hits and six walks, striking out 34. That's dominance. 現有兩個得到Ace的方法:把小克丟到先發輪值中.他大聯盟生涯的頭兩個月,就丟出了 讓人瞠目結舌口水直流的內容.小克,剛滿22歲,19場24局的中繼,只被打出12支安打, 保送6人次,K了34個冤大頭,最離譜的是只有一分責失.根本就屠殺嘛,我的媽阿!! The other option: Give up whatever is necessary to get Johan Santana. He'll be a free agent after the 2008 season, so the small-market Twins likely will listen to offers. Then throw enough money at Santana (who's a 28-year-old lefty and a two-time Cy Young winner) to keep him in pinstripes. 另一個選項是不惜一切代價去把山大王搶過來,他將在2008球季後變成FA.小市場的雙城 看來是留不住他.接著用銀彈攻勢挖角山大王(28歲拿過2次賽揚的強力左投).一定要在 2009讓他在主場穿上條紋衣!! 3 TRY TO KEEP A-ROD, BUT HAVE A BACKUP PLAN. Alex Rodriguez is the best player in the game. He had a historic season, with 54 homers and 156 RBIs, and he's 32 with an incredible work ethic. You want that, of course. Offer him a six-year extension at an average annual value of $31 million, making the total commitment $267 million through 2016. That's bigger than his last megadeal, which is sure to be a requirement, and should have him set the career home run record in a Yankees uniform. But if Scott Boras insists on taking him to free agency and seeks a contract that goes well into Rodriguez's 40s, then say thanks for the past four years. Go get Mike Lowell, an excellent third baseman who, if not in A-Rod's league as a hitter, is at least much cheaper. 4 KEEP MARIANO RIVERA, JORGE POSADA, BOBBY ABREU, JOSE MOLINA, LUIS VIZCAINO AND DOUG MIENTKIEWICZ. Keeping Molina, Vizcaino and Mientkiewicz is easy and makes sense. All have said they want to be Yankees. Having Molina helped keep Posada fresh. Vizcaino is a solid reliever. Mientkiewicz's defense is stellar. Abreu was good for 101 RBIs and 123 runs scored in a down year. Pick up the $16-million option and see what he produces in a contract year. There are no appealing alternatives to Posada on the free-agent market. None. You simply have to keep him. The Tigers are paying Ivan Rodriguez $13 million, so your starting point is above that. Give him a three-year, $45-million contract with a vesting option for a fourth year. Wrap up Rivera for the final years of his career. Give him a three-year contract worth $36 million to $39 million and keep the best closer in history. 5 LOSE KYLE FARNSWORTH, CARL PAVANO AND ROGER CLEMENS. Farnsworth and Pavano bring bad karma. Just check the fan reaction when they come on the field (oh, wait, Pavano's never on the field). Don't worry about return trade value; just say sayonara. Clemens is one of the greatest pitchers in history. But age and injuries have caught up to him. Begin the countdown to his Hall of Fame induction. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 218.162.86.29

10/14 20:14,
其實第一點我就不怎麼認同了…不一定要Torre才能整頓洋基
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10/14 20:14,
可憐的小王 季後賽一爆 成過街老鼠 媒體人人喊打
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10/14 20:18,
兩季共嬴了38場 季後賽輸了兩場就不是Ace…找個季後賽鐵嬴的
10/14 20:18

10/14 20:18,
失敗為成功之母, 小王明年在表現給他們看就好
10/14 20:18

10/14 20:19,
給我看看好了?話說笑臉人的Ace CC昨天也爆了,他算不算?
10/14 20:19

10/14 20:18,
看來美媒極欲塑造Chamberlain才是洋基真Ace
10/14 20:18

10/14 20:20,
現在鐵贏的好像剩北極一個了XDꨠ
10/14 20:20

10/14 20:20,
這幾天媒體一直說Chamberlain Ace 張應該也會很困擾吧
10/14 20:20

10/14 20:20,
白人(原住民血統,但外表看起來是)+高三振力=典型的Ace人選
10/14 20:20

10/14 20:21,
Joba有那個淺力 但是能不能就要看下季的表現了
10/14 20:21

10/14 20:23,
對呀,我不討厭Joba,但是要當Ace,下季至少拿個15勝再說
10/14 20:23

10/14 20:24,
推文真無聊耶.....本來表現不好就會被批啊,A-ROD不也被猛꜠
10/14 20:24

10/14 20:25,
批三年了???不過反過來想,只要以後表現好立場就相反了.
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10/14 20:26,
無聊的推文剛剛才出現,為了季後賽結果批球員一點意義也沒有
10/14 20:26

10/14 20:27,
沒有小王19勝跟A-Rod的50幾轟,洋基進的了季後?
10/14 20:27

10/14 20:27,
可惜的是,還一堆人到處找戰犯呢,A-ROD,Jeter,更別說小王了
10/14 20:27

10/14 20:27,
看看MLB和Baseball版就知道了,輿論本來就是這樣了.
10/14 20:27

10/14 20:28,
雖然自家農場出Ace會很嗨,但信心還是比不上砸錢買來的
10/14 20:28

10/14 20:31,
Baseball版那幾篇看看就好,很想找數據出來替A-Rod平反一下
10/14 20:31

10/14 20:32,
當A-Rod十個打數擊出9支安打,被三振1次時。台灣人永遠只記
10/14 20:32

10/14 20:32,
被三振的那次。安打的部分就選擇性的失憶。
10/14 20:32

10/14 20:33,
應該說只會記得他單場3k,忘記他單場5.6打點比較好
10/14 20:33

10/14 20:34,
沒辦法,季後賽被看的太重了,明明就只是個慶典而已嗎.
10/14 20:34

10/14 20:35,
其實球員的生涯成績都是以季賽為主,誰在看季後賽的??
10/14 20:35

10/14 20:35,
PV季後賽比王更慘....他也別當ACE好了
10/14 20:35

10/14 20:36,
我是作個比喻,目前實在沒時間作數據。Baseball版一堆印象派
10/14 20:36

10/14 20:37,
他們一直記得滿壘被三振或雙殺,卻不去記walk off GS
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10/14 20:38,
算了算了,再講下去又變成我在護航了,累了=.=
10/14 20:38

10/14 20:38,
十打數九安打 可是那次三振總在季後賽時= =
10/14 20:38

10/14 20:48,
今年小王確實比不上北極CCPV等..但是用季後賽爆來評斷
10/14 20:48

10/14 20:49,
I watched almost EVERY Yankee games this year, and
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10/14 20:50,
I really don't like the way Torre's lead the team.
10/14 20:50

10/14 20:50,
If Torre comes back next year, I would probably
10/14 20:50

10/14 20:49,
很不專業..PV是廢渣..CC也爆兩場了..雷基也沒多好
10/14 20:49

10/14 20:50,
switch to suppor some other team!
10/14 20:50

10/14 20:51,
提痛痛人跟老克根本是廢話..丟掉火哥力保LV也沒有道理
10/14 20:51

10/14 20:52,
尤其是小克要轉先發..火哥丟的那麼爽快..牛棚要靠誰?
10/14 20:52

10/14 20:53,
說真的火哥後面幾次投得都不錯啊@@
10/14 20:53

10/14 20:53,
KKK? RV? BB? 黑輪? 還是作者以為LV+MO可以收拾一切
10/14 20:53
還有 169 則推文
還有 1 段內文
10/15 02:12, , 161F
王也不過就那不完全而已,根本解讀成他當時剛好爆氣
10/15 02:12, 161F

10/15 02:12, , 162F
搞笑的要去睡了 恭喜各位
10/15 02:12, 162F

10/15 02:12, , 163F
爆氣可不能算在穩裡面
10/15 02:12, 163F

10/15 02:14, , 164F
永和豆漿 吃完了...搞笑的 晚安 XD
10/15 02:14, 164F

10/15 02:24, , 165F
如果你硬要說有完全比賽的投手穩的時候比較殺(何況不完全)
10/15 02:24, 165F

10/15 02:25, , 166F
我舉一位早克萊門斯三年出道的Mike Witt ,他在1984年投過
10/15 02:25, 166F

10/15 02:26, , 167F
一場完全比賽,那麼請問可以說他穩的時候比克萊門斯更殺嗎?
10/15 02:26, 167F

10/15 02:26, , 168F
請你認真比較過這兩人的成績後再告訴這裡的版友答案好了
10/15 02:26, 168F

10/15 02:31, , 169F
投出生涯代表作並不代表那叫做穩,既然是代表作可見不是每
10/15 02:31, 169F

10/15 02:32, , 170F
場都能投的那麼好,依照你的邏輯,MLB中無論是建在還是作古
10/15 02:32, 170F

10/15 02:32, , 171F
的投手,可能沒人敢說自己的生涯是穩定的
10/15 02:32, 171F

10/15 03:16, , 172F
小王還真的是戰神..小王跟最強投的強弱明顯有差...
10/15 03:16, 172F

10/15 03:18, , 173F
只是不應該用季後賽來否認他的實力..作者如果直接用era+
10/15 03:18, 173F

10/15 03:19, , 174F
就一目暸然了..話說媒體不要對小克揠苗助長..不過是個背ꨠ
10/15 03:19, 174F

10/15 03:22, , 175F
粉紅背包的小孩子:p
10/15 03:22, 175F

10/15 06:39, , 176F
樓上XD
10/15 06:39, 176F

10/15 07:04, , 177F
王個性低調 硬要當ACE搞不好只會更糟 不想失分反而失更多..
10/15 07:04, 177F

10/15 09:04, , 178F
小克不要轉先發爆掉就好了~一年投手看太多了 = =a
10/15 09:04, 178F

10/15 11:08, , 179F
已經天亮了啊 起床嘍~~~
10/15 11:08, 179F

10/15 13:06, , 180F
好耶 第五點沒有提到igawa
10/15 13:06, 180F

10/15 19:57, , 181F
山大王過去兩年表現加總有小王好,季後賽也是,解藥?
10/15 19:57, 181F

10/15 19:59, , 182F
我上面是說沒有比小王好
10/15 19:59, 182F

10/15 22:22, , 183F
山大王今年ERA+也勝過小王,換到洋基絕對不只15勝
10/15 22:22, 183F

10/15 22:23, , 184F
實力正值巔峰時期,有兩次賽揚獎加持,再說論過去兩年,王的
10/15 22:23, 184F

10/15 22:24, , 185F
加總有比較好?(不算今年,過去兩年王加起來27勝而已)
10/15 22:24, 185F

10/15 22:27, , 186F
而山塔那過去兩年共拿了31勝,ERA都是二點2.83,比小王好很
10/15 22:27, 186F

10/15 22:29, , 187F
多,至於季後賽,山塔納在2006年只出賽一場,那場比賽雖然敗
10/15 22:29, 187F

10/15 22:31, , 188F
但投了八局只失兩分外帶八次三振,請問有沒有比較好?
10/15 22:31, 188F

10/15 22:33, , 189F
如果連今年一起算,山塔納三年來共拿50勝,ERA2.99
10/15 22:33, 189F

10/15 22:35, , 190F
王則是46勝,ERA3.75,順便一提,王建民這三年來的季後賽成績
10/15 22:35, 190F

10/15 22:38, , 191F
是1勝三敗,ERA8.18,如果你硬要拿過去二~三年來比,只會更凸
10/15 22:38, 191F

10/15 22:39, , 192F
顯山塔納正是洋基所需要的ACE特效藥了
10/15 22:39, 192F

10/15 22:58, , 193F
在Ptt 大家的共識可以設定為 WANG很好 Santana很好
10/15 22:58, 193F

10/15 22:59, , 194F
至於誰比誰好...每個人心中都有一個賽揚 開心就好 =.=
10/15 22:59, 194F

10/15 23:00, , 195F
如何看待一個投手好不好 有很多的數據加以佐證
10/15 23:00, 195F

10/15 23:01, , 196F
要提出Santana比Wang好的數據 顯然比較容易 不過Wang
10/15 23:01, 196F

10/15 23:02, , 197F
有很大的機會 還會是我們家明年的ACE 所以我們也許
10/15 23:02, 197F

10/15 23:02, , 198F
該相信Wang真的比Santana好吧..(苦笑)
10/15 23:02, 198F

10/15 23:03, , 199F
至於 Santana 希望他2009可以穿上條紋衣了~
10/15 23:03, 199F

10/15 23:03, , 200F
基本上 我會把Santana放在心中景仰 期待小王的表現
10/15 23:03, 200F
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