[外絮] 勇士準備如何把KD, SC, AI跟其他人簽下來

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來源: The Mercury News 網址: http://tinyurl.com/yba9oecf Kawakami: How the Warriors are set to re-sign Durant, Curry, Iguodala and others 勇士準備如何把KD,SC,AI跟其他人簽下來 前面有一大段省略,直接講重點 The Warriors could feasibly exceed the $127M apron — and pay more luxury tax — if they have to, but if they go over the apron this July, the Warriors would have a strong desire not to repeat that next July. 勇士的薪資總額很容易就超過一億兩千七百萬的上限。如果他們今年超過的話,就得繳 豪華稅;不過他們明年應該不會願意再因為超過薪資上限而繳稅。 The Warriors’ payroll was about $102M this past season, FYI. 去年勇士的薪資總額是一億零兩百萬。 Bob Myers & Co. are prepared. They’ve been prepared for this ever since Curry, Iguodala, Draymond Green and Klay Thompson met with Durant in The Hamptons last year, because there was no way they were all going through all of that just for a one-year fling. 勇士制服組已經準備好了。去年當他們與SC,AI,KT,一起跟KD碰面的時候,就已經想 好他們不是為了一年的合約在忙。 That does not mean everything is set in stone. That does not mean everything will go exactly as Myers, Joe Lacob and everybody else hoped and planned. 不過那不代表一切都已成定局;不代表都會如制服組跟勇士老板Lacob的願。 But they have a financial framework for this, they just fulfilled every expectation for this season on the basketball court, Durant, Curry and everybody else are obviously ready to come back for several more title attempts, and it’s pretty easy to see how this will likely work. 但是他們的財經計畫已經準備好了,他們今年把KD,SC跟其他人組成一個團隊,拿到了 冠軍,而且大家都想回來再拿幾個冠軍戒指,所以讓勇士制服組的計畫看起來應該可以 成功。 Let’s go step by step… 我們一步一步看。 1. Durant will opt-out of his current deal, and become a free agent again. This was always the plan. He only signed the one-plus-one (one year at the max plus a player-option) as insurance against a possible major injury this season, so he’d have that extra year just in case he wanted it. He doesn’t need it. He’ll opt-out, as a prelude to… 1. KD會選擇跳出他的合約,成為自由球員。 KD只簽了一個1+1的合約 (一年最高薪資+球員選擇權),保障KD若是今年受傷的狀況。 但是他今年健康無虞。所以他一定會跳出合約,接下來... 2. Durant will agree to another one-plus-one deal with the Warriors, similar to the deal he signed last July, except he likely will take just a 20% raise to $31.8M, which the Warriors can give him without fitting him into cap space. 2. KD會再簽個一加一的合約(跟去年一樣),而且願意佛心價只漲薪20%,變成一年三千 一百八十萬鎂。那個不會算在勇士的薪資總額。 If Durant insists on making absolute max (about $35.5M to start), which he is wholly worth, the Warriors would have to fit him into cap-space again because they do not have his Full Bird Rights, and to do that they would have to renounce both Iguodala and Livingston, and lose their Bird Rights to both, and that would probably mean losing both. 但如果KD堅持要拿頂薪(三千五百五十萬鎂),勇士因為沒有KD的鳥權,所以就得把KD的薪 水包括在薪資總額裡;這樣勇士可能就沒辦法簽下AI跟Livingston。 But Durant has given every indication that he will take the 20% raise in order to give the Warriors the flexibility to pay Iguodala and Livingston whatever salary necessary above and beyond the cap number. 但是KD已經表明他只會佛心價漲20%,讓勇士制服組有空間可以簽下AI跟Livingston。 By doing this new 1 + 1, Durant would be eligible to receive a “super-max” deal of about 4 years, $160M in July 2018 when the Warriors would have his Early Bird Rights. KD若簽下這個新的一加一的合約,2018年勇士就會有KD的早鳥權,而KD就可以有一個超 大肥約: 四年一億六千萬。 Which, again, is what is extremely likely to happen. 這也是極有可能發生的。 3. Curry will agree to a “super-max” extension, five years worth about $205M, but it will not be announced or signed until after all the other deals are done. 3. SC將會同意簽一個五年兩億零五百萬鎂超大肥約,但這個會等到其他球員的約都簽好 了才公布。 As I’ve noted many times before, there’s really no strategic reason for Curry to take a dollar less than the super-max, especially because he has been so vastly underpaid almost from the moment he signed that four-year, $44M deal in 2013. 沒有理由SC不值得這份超級大約,他2013年簽的四年四千四百萬鎂實在太低了。 Curry has earned every dollar possible — because he’s a Bird Rights player, the only thing taking less would affect is Lacob and Guber’s profit level, and Curry has already contributed more than enough to that. 因為SC有鳥權,拿的多少只會影響到勇士老闆的荷包。 And Lacob told me Monday that the Warriors would do “whatever it takes” to re-sign Curry. 而且Lacob前幾天也說了,一定會把SC留下來。 There’s your super-max deal. 所以SC的超大肥約GET! So, presuming Curry and Durant agree to extensions at those starting numbers, the Warriors would have about $105M committed to seven players + Jason Thompson’s stretched salary next season. 所以,勇士薪資總額的一億零五百萬鎂包含了以下七個球員跟Jason Thompson: Curry+Durant+Draymond+Klay+Kevon Looney+Damian Jones+McCaw And they still have two more annual $945k charges after using the “stretch provision” to release Jason Thompson last season. 另外勇士得為Jason Thompson的延伸合約多花94.5萬鎂。 The Warriors would be about $22M short of the apron and would still have Iguodala and Livingston’s potential contracts and many other roster spots to fill, including somebody to start at center. 所以勇士只剩兩千兩百萬買AI,Livingston,中鋒跟其他輪值球員。 4. Iguodala will likely sign a multi-year extension with the Warriors worth somewhere between $8M to $12M per year. 4. AI會簽一個多年期的約,會在每年八百到一千兩百萬鎂之間。 Obviously, Iguodala remains an immensely valuable player for the Warriors, especially when their main rivals feature LeBron James — go to Game 5 of the Finals for a reminder — and it’s possible Iguodala could get a larger offer from another team. AI重要性無庸置疑,看他的Game 5就知道了,他去別的球隊一定可以拿比這個高的多。 But he loves playing for the Warriors, loves the Silicon Valley connection, loves winning titles (which help out his potential Hall of Fame case), understands that he is extending his career by playing with so many stars, and if the Warriors step up with the number of years, this seems like a relative slam-dunk. 但是AI喜歡在勇士打球,喜歡他目前在加州的地緣,喜歡拿冠軍,所以若是跟勇士簽個多 年合約似乎是更好的主意。 Back in 2013, Iguodala signed for four years, $48M — in a time of a much smaller cap number, but also when he was 28, not 32, and if you adjust for all the factors, getting just a little less of an annual salary in exchange for multi-year stability seems about where this is going to land for Iguodala. 2013年AI簽的是四年四千八百萬鎂,那時他28歲。所以,過了四年,拿少一點,但是是個 多年約似乎對AI來說是個更好的選擇。 Iguodala has already indicated that his negotiation is almost already done and that he will re-sign with the Warriors, though I’m sure there are still deal points to be finalized. AI很早就說他會跟勇士續約,而且很早就在協調。 Months ago a source indicated to me that the only real issue to be worked out was the number of guaranteed years. 消息來源指出只是卡在年數的問題。 5. Livingston will be a much more open-ended situation and it’s a coin-flip whether he stays with the Warriors. 5. Livingston就很難說惹。 Notably, Livingston has given every indication that he’d prefer to stay with the Warriors, and the Warriors clearly would love to bring him back, but both sides understand that there are many factors in play here. Livingston也表明想留下來,勇士也想要他留下來,但是中間還有很多因素無法排除。 Livingston, 31, has never made huge money, has been through catastrophic injury, plays a valuable position, and if he gets a large multi-year offer, it ’s probable that the Warriors won’t match it. Then it’ll be Livingston’s call, and he deserves the right to make as much money as possible. Livington今年31歲了,沒拿過大約,有過大傷,這幾年打得很好,所以他想要拿個多年 約也是正常,但是勇士應該不會給。所以,這就會是Livingston自己的決定,要走還是要 留。 But there is some squeeze for Livingston here, coupled with Iguodala’s situation; let’s say Iguodala lands at $10M next season — that brings the Warriors within only $12M of the apron, with a lot of other roster spots to fill. 假設AI只拿一年一千萬鎂,勇士將會只剩一千兩百萬鎂來簽其他球員。 If I had to guess, I’d say the Warriors would hope Livingston comes in at around $6-7M per, and would not require longer than a two-year deal. 所以勇士很有可能給Livingston一年六到七百萬鎂,不會多過兩年約。 6. After Durant, Curry, Iguodala and Livingston, I don’t think the Warriors will be interested in offering anything much over the minimum to any other free agents— and anything over the minimum would strictly be with their exceptions (tax-payer mid-level being the biggest, at about $5M per to start). 6. 在簽完KD,SC,AI跟Livingston後,勇士大概只會給市場上的自由球員底薪。 That would apply to the negotiations for Zaza Pachulia, David West, JaVale McGee, Ian Clark and James Michael McAdoo and even Matt Barnes if the Warriors are so inclined. 所以喳喳,大衛西,MyBoy,Ian Clark,麥卡杜,MB大概就是底薪價。 And the Warriors’ payroll isn’t going to go much above $127M this July — there are certainly ways their payroll might explode again in 2019 (when Thompson’s deal is up) or 2020 (when Draymond’s deal is up)… 勇士今年的薪資總額大概不會超過一億兩千七百萬鎂太多;到了2019(KT合約到期)或 2020(嘴綠合約到期)就恐怖惹。 But also, those two players will no longer be in their 20s when that happens, and that’s a long ways from now, anyway. 不過這兩個球員到時候就不是二字頭的年輕球員,到時候再來傷腦筋吧。 For now, the Warriors aren’t going to be anywhere near $140M-150M this July or probably even next July, because they’ve got their framework, it’s built around five guys, and everybody else is going to have to fill in around that… or head elsewhere and the Warriors will find other players to fill in, anyway. 所以勇士今年或明年薪資總額大概會落在一億四千到一億五千萬鎂之間,這兩年就是恐 怖五小配上其他底薪球員。 -------- 勇士制服組表示: 底薪拿冠軍,歡迎報名。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 124.218.53.71 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1497686505.A.9CA.html

06/17 16:02, , 1F
躍升最大團?
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正名:小AI
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06/17 16:03, , 3F
所以重點就是Zaza,McGee,Clark不願意拿底薪的話
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06/17 16:03, , 4F
李文感覺留不住了
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06/17 16:04, , 5F
留不下來,前面兩個沒留確實會影響戰力
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06/17 16:04, , 6F
李文可以去爛隊打先發 錢拿多一點
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06/17 16:07, , 7F
勇士目標應該是輪替7人留下吧 其他的再用年輕的來
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06/17 16:07, , 9F
明年要是沒拿到冠軍會很幹吧
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06/17 16:09, , 10F
大家來商量薪資怎麼分配又不會組團組的太難看
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06/17 16:09, , 11F
應該也要看補誰 冠軍隊招人還是有一些優勢
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06/17 16:09, , 12F
是說Mcgee不只有底薪能拿吧 至少也能500~700
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06/17 16:09, , 13F
李文沒很重要吧覺得
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06/17 16:10, , 14F
尤其勇士的體系 融入就加分 像myboy
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06/17 16:10, , 15F
各種降薪組團 真的難看
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06/17 16:11, , 16F
基本上比較大部分的想法 是只要有隊伍開給李文一千
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06/17 16:11, , 17F
自由市場會有很多想拿冠軍戒的老將以底薪加入的。
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萬以上的合約 勇士就會讓他走了 畢竟他生涯沒拿過大
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06/17 16:12, , 19F
約 讓他去追逐高薪是比較符合的想法
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06/17 16:12, , 20F
拿其它人其實都沒什麼損失 KD只是沒開頂約而已
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06/17 16:12, , 21F
基石就是Curry+KD, 其他要留就留, 不留可以再找...
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06/17 16:13, , 22F
如果隊上有LBJ就可以要求主將們大降薪抱成一團了
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06/17 16:13, , 23F
三年拿兩冠了,勇士老闆賺到翻過去是要幹什麼XD
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06/17 16:13, , 24F
不然他還是漲薪 而且還可因此滿足明年鳥權
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06/17 16:13, , 25F
李文的上場時間無法承受先發...
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06/17 16:13, , 26F
李文即便代替咖哩打先發時間也多在20分左右
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06/17 16:14, , 27F
翻譯不太對
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06/17 16:14, , 28F
說小ai降薪也怪 因為就是想要坐在甲骨文的第一排
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06/17 16:14, , 29F
勇士一直很保護李文的上場時間,其他球隊可能也要考
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06/17 16:14, , 30F
慮這點
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然後小AI的狀況是特例 大家都已經戲稱他的主業在矽
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抱腿奪冠好像也不是他的第一目標@@
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lbj:play one
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"without fitting him into cap space"
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谷了 他沒理由會想離開這邊 如果為了追求大約而離開
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06/17 16:15, , 36F
這句不是說不用計入總額, 是不用使用空間
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06/17 16:15, , 37F
李文在Curry狀況不好的情況下很有用耶= =
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NIKE可以接受 KD薪水比CURRY薪水低嗎?
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06/17 16:15, , 39F
勇士 對他才是麻煩 所以合約只要不要太扯都會簽的
06/17 16:15, 39F
還有 489 則推文
還有 1 段內文
06/18 02:57, , 529F
不過以今年來說 找一個sg鎖 不用進攻 勇士今年也是
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06/18 02:57, , 530F
冠軍 去年驗證過少green會怎樣了
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06/18 02:58, , 531F
目前看來green真的還是比kt重要一點 因為sg鎖比全能
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大前多
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06/18 03:25, , 533F
勇士2016薪資比2017薪資多了31M,結果收益2016=58M,
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06/18 03:26, , 534F
2017=74M,而在往前推一年15/16薪資相當,收益成長14M
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也就是即使多了31M的支出,勇士收益還比上年度更成長
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06/18 03:27, , 536F
白話說就是2017的收益實際比上年度多了47M(+58M)
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06/18 03:28, , 537F
而這些年這樣賺,並且繼續成長,預估即使後年薪資爆炸
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收益也還是能跟得上.今年底的報表會更有趣,可能成長
06/18 03:28, 538F

06/18 03:29, , 539F
會更大. 從新老闆接手,收益大概賺了進三億美了吧
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06/18 03:30, , 540F
另外,2019年的新球場不只是NBA球場,還是一個炒地皮
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06/18 03:31, , 541F
很好用的複合式展演場(舊金山No#1場館),那帶動起來
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06/18 03:33, , 542F
的商機/地皮(那還有西岸最高等級醫療UCSF大面區域)
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銀行會搶著投資和花大錢買冠名權完全能理解,City會
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06/18 03:34, , 544F
這麼容易通過這一個100%私人投資項目反而未來可能會
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06/18 03:34, , 545F
被質疑圖利私人企業.(用規模更大的小巨蛋來想就懂了
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06/18 03:39, , 546F
其實我解釋這麼多,聰明的人有錢會趕快在那區置產XD
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06/18 03:40, , 547F
那會是未來10-20年後舊金山的曼哈頓
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06/18 03:46, , 548F
最後, 2019年要續約KT時,正好是新場館要開幕. 有哪
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個老闆會蠢到把能拿冠的隊伍拆掉,然後在新球場開幕
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一年不順勢再拿冠(順利的話當時可能目標四連霸)
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老闆要是真那麼蠢,蓋啥新球場.而那麼蠢的老闆也不可
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能搞定這麼難的新球場開發案 (這案子真的非常難)
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06/18 08:06, , 553F
Mcgee用底薪留不住吧
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06/18 08:40, , 554F
反正一定降薪
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06/18 09:18, , 555F
李文其實是很穩定的第六人,真的很強
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06/18 09:36, , 556F
李文 光是在咖哩 失常時都能頂上來這點 就有他的價
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值在了只是應該留不住了
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06/18 09:52, , 558F
翻譯:以下開放老將領底薪換戒指,名額有限抱完為
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06/18 09:52, , 559F
止。
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06/18 10:11, , 560F
用底薪應該很難拿到媲美李文、大衛西的老將
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06/18 10:12, , 561F
像可能報名的VC,除了很拚,其實能力有限
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06/18 10:34, , 562F
丟掉嘴綠 皆大歡喜
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06/18 10:51, , 563F
明年無法再酸騎薪資最大團了
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06/18 10:59, , 564F
VC不會那麼沒志氣吧
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06/18 11:30, , 565F
我在看戲了 看看明年還有沒有大團
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06/18 13:48, , 566F
喔不 我超愛李文的
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06/18 15:59, , 567F
Ian 李文 麥基都很好用,希望不會走
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06/18 20:47, , 568F
Myboy要留啊
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