Re: [討論] Garnett是史上最全能大前鋒嗎

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新聞出處(必填):http://tinyurl.com/b2xwpbq 作者:Mike_Dyer13 雖然近來C's和KG都在掙扎,18th banner也遠比數據來得重要 但許多綠血外國鄉民都注意到KG即將達成史無前例的驚人里程碑, 今年風風雨雨的球季中,仍然是目前少數值得開心的事~ 以下正文: Kevin Garnett is on the precipice on joining a very exclusive club. A club so exclusive in fact, that when he joins it, he will be it's only member. KG即將晉身一個非常特殊的行列; 特殊到一旦他成功達成,將成為NBA史上第一人。 With 32 more assists, Garnett will pass Sleepy Floyd for 50th on the NBA's all-time assist leader board (5,144). This is important, because Garnett already ranks in the top 50 in rebounds (12th - 13,566), points (17th - 24,802), steals (18th - 1,702) and blocks (19th - 1,937). As you can see, not only is he top 50 in those categories, he's in the top 20 in all 4. (註:數據截至13/01/14) 再32個助攻,KG就要超越傳奇球星"睡神"弗洛伊德, NBA助攻榜攻下史上第五十位(5,144 asts.) 這個榮譽意義重大,因為KG在籃板排名12(13,566 rbs.) 得分排名17(24,802 pts.)、抄截18(1,702 stls.)、火鍋19(1,937 blks.) 全都排進NBA史上前五十名;而助攻外的四項數據堪堪達到前二十名。 Since the NBA started tracking steals and blocks in 1972-73, no player has accumulated enough of each of the five categories to rank in the top 50. And even going back into the pre-steal/block era, the only player who may have had a chance is Oscar Robertson who easily cracked the top 50 in points, rebounds and assists, and in his prime was known as an above average defensive player. 由於NBA在1972-73球季才開始統計抄截和火鍋數據, 五項基本數據排名前五十的球員史無前例。 就算回到72'年前,唯一可能達成這項成就的只有上古神獸大O; 他的得分、籃板、助攻紀錄早已高懸許久, 而且全盛時期的大O也是個不錯的防守者。 While KG is viewed as a sure fire first ballot Hall of Famer, I think he may be more than that. It's entirely possible that he is the most well rounded player in NBA history. Again I'm not saying the most dominant, or the winningest, or the greatest. As fantastic as he is, I don't think anyone considers him more dominant than Wilt, a better winner than Russell, or greater than Jordan. But in terms of his all around game? He just may be the best we've ever seen. Some facts: 當然KG早就公認是準名人堂的巨星了,但我認為他可不只是名人堂級而已。 他極有可能會成為籃板的史上第一人! 當然我並非是說KG最有統治力、最會贏球或最偉大; 就算強大如KG,宰制力也無法比擬張真人、 比羅素爺贏下更多冠軍、或比MJ更偉大。但說到球風全面, KG很有可能是史上最優異的全能球員。 以下足以佐證: Scoring - While he's never led the NBA in scoring, he's topped the 20 PPG mark in 9 of his 18 NBA seasons. His overall scoring average per game is 19.2 PPG. He's also incredibly efficient, shooting 50% from the floor and 79% from the free throw line. His offensive repertoire is diverse - fadeaway jumper's from the post, up-and-under shimmy shake's on the block, and his 18 footer, which he has consistently knocked down throughout his career. 得分:雖然從來沒有當過得分王,目前18季職業生涯中,KG有9季是前二十名的得分好手。 生涯目前場均19.2分的KG打球極有效率,命中率五成外另附贈七成九罰球命中率, 攻擊手段多到目不暇給,職業生涯送出了無數無解後仰、低位作戰、 假動作送麻辣鍋、和穩定的中距離。 Rebounding - Led the NBA in rebounding 4 consecutive seasons (2004-2007), and has averaged double digit boards for his career (10.5 a game). He has never been a prolific offensive rebounder, instead preferring to get back on defense (many coaches would much prefer this to crashing the offensive glass and getting beat back down the floor). But he's one of the greatest defensive rebounders of all time. In fact there is a very good chance that by the time he retires he will have passed Karl Malone for the most defensive rebounds in NBA history (he's 889 behind him now). 籃板:曾連續三季蟬聯籃板王寶座(04-07) (註:原文似乎算錯了XD), 生涯也有10.5板的佳績。KG從未抓下太多進攻籃板, 這跟他在防守端投入更多熱血的球風有關。 (比起抓進攻籃板失位被打快攻,很多教練會更喜歡穩當的防守籃板) 再889個籃板,KG就可以超越老馬成為DRb史上第一人了。 Passing - Simply put one of the most un-selfish big men of all time. A career average of 4 assists per game from a 7 footer is basically unheard of, and for a span of six consecutive years with Minnesota Garnett averaged over 5 APG. 傳球:KG很可能是史上最無私的長人了。他是唯一場均4助攻的七呎球員, 且狼王時代的KG連續六年都場均5+妙傳。 Defense - His true strength. The steals and blocks have been discussed, but that's not even what this is about. He took home the 2007-08 Defensive player of the year award, and it can be argued that he deserved to win several more. He's made 9 All-defensive first teams and 3 All-defensive second teams in his 18 year run, and again - he should have made more. Basketball reference also keeps a stat called "Defensive Win Shares" that measures how many wins a player has been worth on the defensive end over his career. KG has been worth as astounding 85.3, the 7th most in history. Every night he guards the best big man the opponent has to offer, and in the vast majority of cases he wins that battle. There is a case to be made that on the all-time All-Defensive team, he is the starting PF (can't go wrong with Duncan either). 防守:KG真正的絕技。他的抄截和火鍋都非同小可, 不過這還不足以代表他的防守實力。KG是08年最佳防守球員,本來還有機會多拿幾座的~ 18年來他選入九次防守第一隊和三次第二隊,若非傷病應享更高榮譽。 Basketball Reference.com有項數據稱為"防守win shares",KG以85.3高居史上第七。 每場球賽他都扛下敵隊最佳長人,而且常常壓倒對手。 如果排出NBA史上最強防守五人,KG和TD都足以先發。 Durability - Since his career began in 1995, Garnett has missed more than 13 games exactly once (2008-09, knee injury). He's appeared in 1,291 games, 14th in league history and by the time he finishes up his current contract he will be one of just a handful of NBA players to play 20 seasons, and if he stays healthy - he'll finish in the top 5 in games played. 耐戰力:從95'年開始,只有09'膝蓋受傷那年KG缺戰超過13場。 KG以1,291場出場數榮居史上第14,而合約走完前若能保持健康, 下季KG也將成為NBA僅有五位能打20季的老妖G... A few other stats for Garnett: 14 time all-star, 9 time All-NBA, 2003-04 MVP, 2008 NBA champ. 其他KG的重要榮譽:14(+1)度全明星,九次年度前三隊,04'MVP,08'總冠軍成員! Perhaps the best word to describe KG is unique. The way the talks on the court, the way he interacts with the fans and media, the way he has been the heart and soul of his team's since the Mid-90's. His passion for the game has never waned, and despite the fact that he's logged nearly 52,000 minutes on his odometer - his game remains nearly as good as it was in his prime. So just a message to all basketball fans: Enjoy the next two and a half seasons, because once Garnett leaves, it's possible we'll never see another player quite like him. 形容KG最貼切的詞彙,大概是獨一無二吧。他場上碎碎念的功力、 和媒體球迷的關係、從90'中之後不斷為球隊燃燒的小宇宙、 52,000分鐘球賽裡不滅的熱情、穩當高檔的球場貢獻... 讓我們享受KG時代的餘暉吧,再過幾年,他的輝煌也只能在記憶中追尋。 -------------------------------------------- Points : 25911 (14) Rebounds : 14486 (08) Assists : 5375 (47) Blocks : 2023 (18) Steals : 1826 (16) 五項主要數據 排在歷史前五十名內(其中更是四項位於前二十) 我想 沒錯 他是史上最全能的大前鋒 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 101.8.196.102 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1424520787.A.39D.html

02/21 20:15, , 1F
04-05 05-06 06-07 應該是這樣算?
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02/21 20:15, , 2F
全能其實就是全不能 專注一兩項其實比較好
02/21 20:15, 2F
如果數據累積到都進歷史前五十 還叫不能 那能打的也沒幾個了

02/21 20:16, , 3F
數據真扯...
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推板大!!!
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I TAKE 5!!!
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隊友太廢
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02/21 20:18, , 8F
全能KG
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02/21 20:18, , 9F
你可以說KG髒 嘴臭 但說他不強的就很難接受...
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推!!!
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希望KG能達成
02/21 20:18, 11F
如果你是指 防守籃板的部分 目前差Malone 112個 以本季平均 5.7個防守籃板的數據來說 扣除灰狼 B2B第二場比賽 可能會讓KG休息的假設情況後 剩下 20場比賽 (灰狼主場對巫師debut) 這樣有機會在今年球季的最後一場 達成此紀錄

02/21 20:19, , 12F
推 猛
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02/21 20:19, , 13F
超扯
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02/21 20:20, , 14F
I take 5 (隊友太廢)
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02/21 20:20, , 15F
以前當狼王真的各種猛
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02/21 20:20, , 16F
KG03-04也是籃板王 是4屆沒錯 http://goo.gl/XgJhFx
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02/21 20:20, , 17F
2F的講法很白癡
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02/21 20:21, , 18F
全能巨星
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02/21 20:21, , 19F
他就算拿肥約球團也賺了,週邊還有實力都值得
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02/21 20:21, , 20F
呵呵2樓說全不能..那nba應該沒幾個會打球
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02/21 20:22, , 21F
二樓你這種說法拿來講nba的數據 似乎不怎麼妥當
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KG是我心目中永遠的第一名大前鋒
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02/21 20:22, , 23F
真男人
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02/21 20:22, , 24F
不要裡釣魚啦 根本一個呵呵
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02/21 20:23, , 25F
噓2樓 這樣拿大三元就沒很屌拉
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02/21 20:23, , 26F
KG襠年的口號:I take five
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02/21 20:24, , 27F
2F無敵
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02/21 20:25, , 28F
雙21的時代啊~~
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02/21 20:25, , 29F
太公比較喜歡那種專注打鐵 近乎苛求的老大吧
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02/21 20:25, , 30F
推 這篇分析得讓人無話可說
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02/21 20:26, , 31F
人品差,但的確猛 想當年他也有and1…
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02/21 20:27, , 32F
我懷疑版上幾個小朋友根本沒看過灰狼時期的KG打球
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02/21 20:31, , 33F
怎麼還沒出現TD KG比較圖
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02/21 20:33, , 34F
KG跟郵差的防守籃板是差889還是112啊?
02/21 20:33, 34F
這是之前的文章 目前就是差 112

02/21 20:35, , 35F
狼王就是各種猛
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02/21 20:36, , 36F
看到實際數據真的是太神 老KG迷淚推....
02/21 20:36, 36F
還有 143 則推文
還有 4 段內文
02/21 22:56, , 180F
天天逼!逼!逼!~~~ 哪像現在都沒啥碰撞
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I TAKE 5!!! KGGGGGG
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02/21 22:57, , 182F
所以才造就比較彪(ㄤ)悍(ㄗㄤ)的防守
02/21 22:57, 182F

02/21 22:58, , 183F
樓樓上 洗數據!?能洗到前50也還蠻會洗的
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02/21 22:59, , 184F
啊不是樓樓上了...
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02/21 22:59, , 185F
真的是一堆閱讀障礙,講全能突然又比成就,中文都看
02/21 22:59, 185F

02/21 23:00, , 186F
不懂,全能CW可以拼一下
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02/21 23:01, , 187F
你也要有能力來洗"十幾年"啊
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馬龍得分籃板抄截都贏kg助攻小輸火鍋差比較多。
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02/21 23:02, , 189F
那年代一堆鋒線球員強到沒話說 現在的根本是笑話
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現代的鋒線明星球員都被哨子保護的太好了...
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一堆酸酸也只會拿人家生涯末期退化後的數據來說嘴
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02/21 23:06, , 192F
以前狼王的時候強沒話說 只是後來越來越嘴
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02/21 23:09, , 193F
http://ppt.cc/IvlJ 7呎長人過人灌籃..O.o
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髒G必噓
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我的偶像啊~~
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最愛的球員!!! 沒有之一!!!!
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02/21 23:17, , 197F
當年在灰狼完全燃燒,不知健康的KG能達到何種成就
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TD在98年就是新人王,年度及防守一隊,KG榜上無名.
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02/21 23:22, , 199F
怎會說KG成名在TD之前,他要在00年才上年度一隊.
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02/21 23:23, , 200F
成就指標就那幾個,無視就沒了.
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02/21 23:34, , 201F
從數據來看 真的是史上最全能
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02/21 23:38, , 202F
kg狼王時期就是猛
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我愛真男人
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現在是回娘家白了是嗎
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02/21 23:56, , 205F
KG!!!!!!
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02/22 00:05, , 206F
KKKKKGGGGGGG!!!!!
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KG啊!!
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KG!!!
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02/22 00:42, , 210F
沒辦法 沒經過他猛的年代= =
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push
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02/22 01:15, , 212F
推KG
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02/22 02:34, , 213F
全能如果是能打 SF甚至PG的F 那TD就不用和KG比了吧
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02/22 05:31, , 214F
只有it takes five,沒有I take five,別再以訛傳訛了
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02/22 10:55, , 215F
雖然他嘴賤。但還是愛他
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02/23 07:52, , 216F
借轉KevinGarnett板,謝謝。
02/23 07:52, 216F
fj001001:轉錄至看板 KevinGarnett 02/23 07:52

02/23 13:41, , 217F
2f持續秀下限
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02/25 13:52, , 218F
I Love KG
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