Re: [外絮] 明天NBA官方將宣布對於Sterling調查結果已回收

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http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10852199/challenge-donald-sterling 訝異很多人覺得NBA調查有屁用， 這篇文章應該能幫你解惑 懶得全文翻，就翻些重點 The alleged racist and misogynist rants of Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling will test the leadership of new NBA commissioner Adam Silver. Sterling's apparent misconduct raises legal questions about Silver's authority and possible punishments to be assessed against Sterling: 現行NBA條款，Adam Silver的調查能給Sterling如何的懲罰？ Q: Can Silver force Sterling to say whether the voice on the tapes is his? 問：Silver能強制Sterling回答錄音帶是否是他的聲音嗎？ A: Yes. Under the terms of Paragraph 24(m)(ii) of the "constitution" that governs the 30 owners of NBA teams and establishes the authority of the owners' commissioner, Silver can require Sterling to respond under oath to questions. The commissioner has "the right to require testimony and the production of documents and other evidence from any Member." As an owner, Sterling is a "member" of the NBA. Sterling and his lawyers could delay answering questions from Silver, but if Sterling refuses to admit or to deny that it is his voice on the tapes, he is in violation of the constitution and would face termination. He has no protection from the U.S. Constitution's Fifth Amendment guarantee against self-incrimination, because he is not facing any charge of any crime. 答：可以的。在NBA「憲法」下面，聯盟主席Silver能要求Sterling 回答問題。因為主席有權要在NBA大家庭下的任何一個成員回答諸如此類 的問題。而Sterling因為是球隊老板，所以他是NBA的成員且必須要回答。 他的律師或他自己可以延遲這個過程，但是不能拒絕。一旦拒絕此項要求， 在現行NBA條例下他將面臨直接被停權的問題(termination)。 附帶一提的是，他並沒有美國憲法保護下人民所擁有的緘默權， 因為他並沒有為此事被告。 Q: What penalties can Silver issue? 問：那Silver可以給出哪些懲罰？ A: Under the provisions of the bylaws, Silver has two sets of powers that he may use. Under either, he can issue a lifetime suspension and a substantial fine. Under Paragraph 24(l) of the constitution that was adopted by the NBA owners on Oct. 26, 2005, he can issue a fine of up to $2.5 million, can suspend an owner indefinitely and can order the forfeiture of draft picks. This provision applies to situations that are not covered by specific rules within the constitution. In another provision, Paragraph 35(A)(c), Silver can issue an indefinite suspension and a fine of $1 million to any owner who "makes ... a statement having or designed to have an effect prejudicial or detrimental to the best interests of basketball." If Silver wants to hammer Sterling, he can assert that Sterling's statements are so egregious that they go beyond the misconduct contemplated in Paragraph 35 and allow Silver to assess the greater penalties found in Paragraph 24. Sterling can argue that he merely made a statement, but the statement at a minimum allows a lifetime suspension and a $1 million fine. 根據NBA自訂的規則，Silver有兩個權力他可能運用。 不管用哪一項條例，都牽涉都終身停止Sterling的權利和一大筆罰金。 條例一可以造成2.5百萬鎂的罰金和終生停權，並且取消任何選秀權。 條例二可以做終生停權和一百萬鎂罰鍰。 其中條例一屬於在特殊情況下的特別條例。 條例二則是當成員作出有損籃球運動的事證時。 Q: Is it possible for Silver and the NBA to terminate Sterling's franchise ownership? 問：Silver或是NBA有可能終止Sterling的球隊擁有權嗎？ A: Yes. Under the terms of Paragraph 13 of the constitution, the owners can terminate another owner's franchise with a vote of three-fourths of the NBA Board of Governors, which is composed of all 30 owners. The power to terminate is limited to things like gambling and fraud in the application for ownership, but it also includes a provision for termination when an owner "fails to fulfill" a "contractual obligation" in "such a way as to affect the [NBA] or its members adversely." Silver and the owners could assert that Sterling's statements violated the constitution's requirements to conduct business on a "reasonable" and "ethical" level. 答：是的。在規則下當超過3/4以上的NBA老闆投票表决 贊成某球隊老板終止擁有時，就可以。一般而言這類投票被侷限於 當球隊擁有者有賭博或是作假的情事才可以。但是也有特殊條例說 如果該員「無法履行合約義務造成NBA和其成員受到傷害」也可以 作此投票。 Silver和其他老板可能會運用這項條例並且認定Sterling違反了 NBA合理和符合道德標準的水平。 Any owner or Silver can initiate the termination procedure with a written charge describing the violation. Sterling would have five days to respond to the charge with a written answer. The commissioner would then schedule a special meeting of the NBA Board of Governors within 10 days. Both sides would have a chance to present their evidence, and then the board would vote. If three-fourths of the board members vote to terminate, then Sterling would face termination of his ownership. It would require a vote of two-thirds of the board to reduce the termination to a fine. Terminating a franchise would obviously be a drastic remedy, but the potential of the termination procedure gives Silver and the other owners vast leverage in any discussion with Sterling about an involuntary sale of his team. 任何老闆或是Silver自己本人都可以對此作出提案。而Silver 必須在提案的五天內作出回應。並且在十天內招開老板大會。 兩造都可以提出證據，然後就會進行投票。一旦表决結果超過3/4以上的人 投贊成票，Sterling的擁有權就會被終止。 當然中止擁有權會是一個很尖銳的處理方案。然而因為有這項規定， Silver和其他老板可以利用來要求Sterling自願賣出球隊。 Q: Sterling is notoriously litigious. Can he go to court to stop Silver from punishing him? Sterling是個惡名昭彰的訟棍。他可能狀告NBA來停止Silver 對他的懲罰嗎？ A: Not effectively. When Silver issues his punishment to Sterling, the decision is final. The constitution provides in Paragraph 24(m) that a commissioner's decision shall be "final, binding, and conclusive" and shall be as final as an award of arbitration. It is almost impossible to find a judge in the United States judicial system who would set aside an award of arbitration. Sterling can file a lawsuit, but he would face a humiliating defeat early in the process. There is no antitrust theory or principle that would help him against Silver and the NBA. He could claim an antitrust violation, for example, if he were trying to move his team to a different market. But under the terms of the NBA constitution, he has no chance to succeed in litigation over punishment. 答：這招並不會有效。當Silver對Sterling作出懲戒時， 此懲戒就已經定案。這在NBA條例下有清楚明文規定。 在美國律法下，沒有一條可以干預這類規範。 簡言之，他進入了NBA就要按照NBA的規則玩，法律保護不了他。 ＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝ Sterling毫無疑問是被他玩的女人擺了一道， 不過他之前就在種族歧視言論上算是累犯，到現在還有三條種族歧視官司纏身 所以這次會搞那麼大，即使內容有些鄉民覺得「還好吧」， 是其來有自的。而因為NBA是黑人聯盟（佔大多數），但是只有一個黑人老闆 （老喬），所以更彰顯了一些不對等（即使原因不是種族歧視可以解釋）， 會變成一件大事完全不意外。NBA這次也想要利用這個機會作出強硬的表態。 NBA追求全球性和人權平等（多種族，多元(同志議題））這幾年用力甚深， 這次應該不會輕輕放下。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 72.34.128.250 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1398725671.A.D42.html ※ 編輯: kart (72.34.128.250), 04/29/2014 06:57:14
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04/29 07:01, , 1F
投票會過嗎... 只有一個老闆是黑人...
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停權和2.5百萬美元，種族岐視的代價好大
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04/29 07:04, , 4F
有可能,不是所有白人偏見都這麼重,且這事關係形象
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04/29 07:04, , 5F
就算不為了正義,為了金錢損失的考量我也覺得會過
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考慮到種種對收入的影響 其他人切割排除是很有可能的
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04/29 07:05, , 7F
美國法律不適用於NBA有點奇怪....
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04/29 07:06, , 8F
NBA條例說不管法律 這有效嗎...
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04/29 07:08, , 9F
原來Donald Sterling 80歲了....
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04/29 07:08, , 10F
這算是會員的內規，頂多是州法律有沒有管到這塊
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04/29 07:17, , 12F
似乎類似我國的特別權利關係？
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04/29 07:19, , 13F
除非史特林有更正當理由 不然其他白人老闆多半會投票
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04/29 07:30, , 14F
投票應該會過，因為眾老闆也不想得罪球員
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04/29 07:31, , 15F
其他老闆沒必要為了一個慣犯，反而把火燒到自己身上
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04/29 07:34, , 16F
會過 為了自清沒有歧視當然會投贊成
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04/29 07:36, , 17F
哭哭~快艇未來？？
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04/29 07:43, , 18F
感覺會過...........不過Sterling應該可以咬法律保護
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04/29 07:52, , 19F
倒也不是美國法律不適用NBA，而是如果他被NBA處罰了
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他得找到一個合理的理由把NBA告進去才能讓法律介入
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04/29 07:56, , 21F
投票應該會過,否則旗下球隊球員也會質疑自家老闆
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04/29 07:58, , 22F
不用想的那麼複雜…NBA整體是一個龐大的合作事業，私
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法自治下，只要當初你是自願同意在這些條件下加入這
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聯盟，法律的著力點就很少。
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04/29 08:01, , 25F
還有人以為這不是仙人跳 我笑了
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爽 種族歧視或許是人類天生的惡 但受過教育就不應該
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還有如此愚蠢的觀點 活到老還在種族優越感 真丟臉
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很容易懂阿 就像董事會內的規定
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就算不違法也可能被解除董事
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我覺得這種情況，不表態反對抗議的老闆也會被質疑吧
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應該會全票通過吧XD 在風頭上 投反對票是在挖自己洞
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想接手的應該會開始遊說吧 難得快艇威起來
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長知識~~~~推
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這就好比台灣某些特定人士罵人家外省豬一樣噁心
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04/29 08:36, , 35F
還好吧 不就跟台灣人罵中國人 韓國人一樣
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推，長知識
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推~感謝分享
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04/29 08:58, , 38F
突然覺得NBA好強!!
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04/29 09:00, , 39F
NBA : 法律是三小~ 我最大!
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PTT不是常常一推網友說沒種族歧視嗎XDDDDDD
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好猛啊～原來NBA有這麼大的權力 多謝翻譯
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推～翻譯辛苦了! 米國至少肯面對種族歧視...看看台灣
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04/29 09:26, , 43F
mlb不是也一樣嗎？看看a-rod
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AROD? 一個行為跟黑幫差不多的是要拿出來提幹嘛?
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我完全理解斯特林對黑人的想法，有如天龍人對南部人
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04/29 09:37, , 46F
要過很簡單，公開投票結果 保證29：0
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很多天龍人也覺得講台語很粗俗啊zz
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上大學後才覺得台語一點都不粗俗的 0_0/
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應該是說NBA的這些規定本身就不違法!在不違法的情況
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下,會員同意會內的遊戲規則,按照遊戲規則執行,要尋求
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04/29 10:37, , 51F
法律保護就沒辦法了..剩下能做的就是積極拉票吧XD
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優質好文
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推 謝解說
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04/29 12:30, , 54F
我認為會過，28隊的老闆即便是白人，也不敢明著跟整
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個美國的黑人族群對抗，更何況NBA已經全球化，影響的
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04/29 12:31, , 56F
不只是美國，還有國際市場
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簡單說 到時候老闆大會沒同意停權的 手下球員士氣可
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能也會受到影響
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會過吧,市場和一個白人老頭誰重要阿
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