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Kobe Bryant’s 81 vs Michael Jordan’s 69 By Coach Nick http://0rz.tw/uxiNe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ When I saw these two games being aired on the same day, I immediately got excited about a dueling breakdown. Both players shot almost the exact same field goal percentage, but it was striking to me how differently these two players scored their points. While the box score below indicates similar games, there are much more subtle differences in their methods. 當我看到這兩場比賽在同一天被放送的時候,我馬上非常興奮地去作一個比較分析報告。 這兩位球員都用差不多的FG%得到高分,但讓我驚訝的是他們是用截然不同的方式去得分。 我們看看下面的BOX據據,看起來是很相近的。 事實上,他們取分的方式是有很多微妙的不同的。 Los Angeles Lakers PLAYERS POS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OR DR TR AST STL BLK TO PF PTS EFF K.Bryant SG 42 28-46 7-13 18-20 2 4 6 2 3 1 3 1 81 70 Chicago Bulls PLAYERS POS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OR DR TR AST STL BLK TO PF PTS EFF M.Jordan SG 50 23-37 2-6 21-23 7 11 18 6 4 1 2 5 69 80 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some things to clear up about how different the circumstances were between these two teams. 有關於這兩支球隊當時不同的狀況與環境條件,並須先做個澄清。 Michael Jordan was playing on a young Bulls team a year away from capturing their first title. Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant were just starting to figure out the secret to competing at an elite level, joining Michael Jordan who was in the midst of his 4th straight scoring title. Michael Jordan當時在年輕的公牛隊打球,並在隔年才取得他們的第一個總冠軍。 而Scottie Pippen & Horace Grant則剛加入正尋求衛冕個人連續第四次得分王的MJ行列, 並剛開始發現在菁英等級中去競技的奧秘。 (*註1:89-90,當年的MJ是26歲,是他加入公牛隊的第六年。) (*註2:89-90,當年的SP是23歲,是他加入公牛隊的第三年。) (*註3:89-90,當年的HG是24歲,是他加入公牛隊的第三年。) (*註4:89-90,當年的教練是Phil Jackson,第一年執教公牛隊。) Kobe Bryant, on the flip side, was a year and a half out of competing for a title with Shaquille O’Neal and Karl Malone. Smush Parker and Kwame Brown were running around out there with him, forcing Kobe to shoulder a much larger load. 相反地,當時的Kobe Bryant才在一年半前(03-04球季) 與Shaquille O’Neal & Karl Malone在總冠軍賽失利。 而Smush Parker & Kwame Brown在他身旁,逼著KB需要扛下更多責任與重擔。 (*註1:05-06,當年的KB是27歲,是他加入湖人隊的第十年。) (*註2:05-06,當年的SP是24歲,是他加入湖人隊的第一年。) (*註3:05-06,當年的KB是23歲,是他加入湖人隊的第一年。) (*註4:05-06,當年的教練是Phil Jackson,第六年執教湖人隊。) (*註5:04-05,湖人隊教練分別是R. Tomjanovich,F. Hamblen。) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Aside from the circumstantial evidence, the biggest thing I took away from this juxtaposition is how different these two moved in space. Michael Jordan seems so much more smooth and powerful in comparison to Kobe’s athletic ability. 先把上述的間接證據放一旁,我將兩人並列比較後, 所得到的最大差異點,是他們在空間中移動的不同。 Michael Jordan與Kobe Bryant的運動能力相比, Michael Jordan看似移動地更順暢與更有力量。 Don’t get me wrong, Kobe is an athletic freak of nature, but Michael transcended that like no other player in the league before or since. Michael also seemed steadier with his scoring, without the need to force as many shots, while Kobe had a couple of clunky stretches that wouldn’t seem to indicate he was in the middle of one of the greatest scoring binges of all time. 不要誤會我的意思,Kobe的運動能力已經是異常的好。 但是Michael的能力更是前無古人後無來者。 Michael在得分能力上看似更穩定,不需要大量的出手。 而Kobe有一些沉重的高難度出手,讓他看起來不像往歷史上最偉大的得分手之一的路走。 Whether this comparison is unfair or not, Kobe has done little to discourage it. His career will go down as one of the top 10 of all time, with induction to the Hall of Fame a certainty. Of course, his career still falls short of Jordan’s, both in individual achievement and team accomplishments. 不論這樣的比較是否公平。 他的職業生涯將被記載成為NBA歷史上前10大的人物,並毫無疑問地進入名人堂。 當然他的職業生涯以目前而言,不管個人成績的成就或團隊成績的成就都還落後MJ一些。 (註1: MJ - 得分王共計10次,總冠軍共計6次。) (註2: KB - 得分王共計 2次,總冠軍共計5次。) From a head to head perspective, Kobe does not exist in the same plane as Michael Jordan. There is no shame in that, since no other player combined raw physical tools with extreme mental domination like MJ did. While this is certainly an entertaining and worthwhile debate, I might go so far as saying Kobe Bryant isn’t even the best Laker of all time. 如果拿兩人直接作比較,Kobe並沒有與Michael Jordan在同一個水平。 但這沒有甚麼可恥的,因為也沒有其他球員,能如同MJ一般, 同時具有優異的體能天賦與極端的精神統御力。 儘管這只是茶餘飯後的娛樂話題,但也同時是值得辯論的, 我可能會說到目前為止,Kobe Bryant甚至還不算是湖人隊歷史上最偉大的球員。 The competition was also much different in these two games. While the 1989-90 Cleveland Cavaliers finished just above .500 (42-40), they were still a formidable foe with a tough nucleus of Mark Price, Craig Ehlo, Larry Nance, and Brad Daugherty intact. Coached by Lennie Wilkens, they were smart, tough, and played with a sense of purpose. 而這兩場比賽的競爭對手,也是截然不同的。 即使89-90球季的克里夫蘭騎士隊只以略高於五成的勝率結束球季(42-40), 但那時他們仍保有如Mark Price,Craig Ehlo, Larry Nance和Brad Daugherty, 這些難纏的人物,也仍算是一支令人敬畏的球隊。 當時由Lennie Wilkens教練帶領的這支球隊,他們聰明,強悍並且頭腦清楚。 (*註: March 28,1990 - Bulls 117 : Cavaliers 113) Contrast that to the 2005-06 Toronto Raptors, and you’ll see why it wasn’t so surprising Kobe went off on them. Led by Sam Mitchell, who has a career winning percentage of .452, this team featured a young Chris Bosh and not much else. Moe Peterson was forced to guard Kobe, and ended up intentionally fouling him by the end to get out of this assignment. Jalen Rose was at the end of his string and was no match either. Top that off with a distinct lack of defensive philosophy, and it was a perfect storm. 對比05-06球季的多倫多暴龍隊後,你將對於Kobe的爆發不會感到太大的驚訝。 由生涯執教勝率只有.452的Sam Mitchell所帶領,主將僅僅只能算有Chris Bosh一名。 Moe Peterson被迫守到Kobe,但結果是作出故意犯規後,下台一鞠躬。 Jalen Rose的表現也與他的實力不符。 整支球隊在防守端明顯地散漫,造就了這股完美的風暴。 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 內文影片,BBallbreakdown: Kobe Bryant's 81 vs Michael Jordan's 69 http://0rz.tw/sSZA7 影片中有分析兩人該場的比較,有待聽譯強者翻譯了。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 111.246.24.48

05/20 23:43, , 1F
任何人出手那麼多球都能得高分
05/20 23:43, 1F

05/20 23:44, , 2F
結果就是那幾年湖人廢到爆
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05/20 23:44, , 3F
得光王???
05/20 23:44, 3F

05/20 23:44, , 4F
得光王XD
05/20 23:44, 4F
抱歉,謝謝提醒,已更正。

05/20 23:45, , 5F
EFF專家請補上說明
05/20 23:45, 5F

05/20 23:45, , 6F
==============傳教士 vs 上帝===================
05/20 23:45, 6F

05/20 23:45, , 7F
KOBE先追上MAGIC比較實際啦 不要想越級打怪了 MJ LBJ
05/20 23:45, 7F

05/20 23:46, , 8F
跟KOBE很明顯是不同層級了
05/20 23:46, 8F

05/20 23:46, , 9F
得光王?
05/20 23:46, 9F

05/20 23:47, , 10F
輸喬丹又怎樣= = 是有人能贏他嗎..
05/20 23:47, 10F

05/20 23:47, , 11F
得光王共計10次
05/20 23:47, 11F

05/20 23:47, , 12F
得光頭王?
05/20 23:47, 12F

05/20 23:47, , 13F
得光王?
05/20 23:47, 13F

05/20 23:48, , 14F
到目前為止,Kobe Bryant甚至還不算是湖人隊歷史上
05/20 23:48, 14F

05/20 23:48, , 15F
歷史上最偉大的球員
05/20 23:48, 15F

05/20 23:49, , 16F
最偉大的是? Magic? Jabbar? West?
05/20 23:49, 16F

05/20 23:49, , 17F
當然不會站在同一位置 不然怎麼被稱神
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05/20 23:49, , 18F
輸JORDAN真的沒啥可恥的 根本沒人能贏吧
05/20 23:49, 18F

05/20 23:50, , 19F
MJ>KB
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05/20 23:50, , 20F
神也是人 只是神做了人所做不到的事
05/20 23:50, 20F

05/20 23:50, , 21F
那場比賽也是MJ籃板的career high 蠻神奇的
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05/20 23:50, , 22F
結論都不同了分析過程幹嘛??
05/20 23:50, 22F

05/20 23:51, , 23F
你是不會比大小? 81>69 OK?
05/20 23:51, 23F

05/20 23:51, , 24F
等等要不要再來 分析誰 得57分 來跟69分比較
05/20 23:51, 24F

05/20 23:51, , 25F
6 > 5
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05/20 23:52, , 26F
得光王
05/20 23:52, 26F
※ 編輯: KenRock 來自: 111.246.24.48 (05/20 23:53)

05/20 23:53, , 27F
最偉大Laker是指Magic吧,3MVP5冠3FMVP
05/20 23:53, 27F

05/20 23:53, , 28F
81>69廢話還那麼多
05/20 23:53, 28F

05/20 23:55, , 29F
Jordan的對手比較強,Kobe刷弱隊賺成就
05/20 23:55, 29F

05/20 23:55, , 30F
我不懂比EFF的點在哪= = 不就是要比得分嗎
05/20 23:55, 30F

05/20 23:56, , 31F
簡單說 喬丹面臨頂級防守拿69分 Kobe沒被包輕鬆拿81
05/20 23:56, 31F

05/20 23:56, , 32F
硬是要抓一個莫名其妙的數據來,那要不要以後比得分
05/20 23:56, 32F

05/20 23:56, , 33F
然後拿別人的失誤來比
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05/20 23:56, , 34F
光頭王
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05/20 23:56, , 35F
Jalen Rose 防守當場跟旋轉門差不多了
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05/20 23:57, , 36F
拿整場比賽影片來看最清楚
05/20 23:57, 36F

05/20 23:57, , 37F
MVP不能算 冠軍戒之外要比得分 laoda>>>>>>>>Magic
05/20 23:57, 37F

05/20 23:57, , 38F
MAGIC超神的阿!!!哪像那種自幹球星 告老媽 斷腿哈
05/20 23:57, 38F

05/20 23:58, , 39F
這篇哪有特別比EFF,原PO順手附上而已
05/20 23:58, 39F

05/20 23:58, , 40F
結果這篇寫那麼多,只看到EFF?
05/20 23:58, 40F

05/20 23:59, , 41F
kobe打滿全場的話可能超越100分 >_<+++++
05/20 23:59, 41F

05/20 23:59, , 42F
最近MJ很常出現
05/20 23:59, 42F

05/21 00:00, , 43F
mj隊友那麼強還這麼自幹? 出手這麼多次 是沒隊友噢?
05/21 00:00, 43F

05/21 00:02, , 44F
輸MJ並不可恥 可恥的是本人和信徒整天想越級打怪
05/21 00:02, 44F

05/21 00:07, , 45F
湖人史上最偉大的球員依然是Magic啊 5冠3FMVP3MVP
05/21 00:07, 45F

05/21 00:08, , 46F
kobe根本不配被拿出來跟MJ討論...
05/21 00:08, 46F

05/21 00:08, , 47F
Kobe目前有5冠2FMVP1MVP 距離Magic還有段距離唷
05/21 00:08, 47F

05/21 00:08, , 48F
樓上指詹迷嗎?
05/21 00:08, 48F

05/21 00:08, , 49F
至於喬丹有6冠6FMVP5MVP Kobe差更遠...
05/21 00:08, 49F

05/21 00:10, , 50F
簡單翻譯啦 打弱隊刷分數一句話
05/21 00:10, 50F

05/21 00:11, , 51F
大部份的湖迷都認為MJ>KB
05/21 00:11, 51F

05/21 00:16, , 52F
KB垃圾時間刷數據一流
05/21 00:16, 52F

05/21 00:17, , 53F
何不拿打小牛那場來跟MJ 69分的分析一下?
05/21 00:17, 53F

05/21 00:21, , 54F
只有科彌 會把科小腿當成最偉大的球員 五冠 科科
05/21 00:21, 54F

05/21 00:23, , 55F
81分 EFF輸 69分
05/21 00:23, 55F

05/21 00:25, , 56F
當時的騎士似乎被MJ的公牛打敗不少次..後來剛好相反
05/21 00:25, 56F

05/21 00:26, , 57F
科仙連魔術3FMVP3MVP都比不過惹 卻又愛自比MJ 愚蠢~~
05/21 00:26, 57F

05/21 00:32, , 58F
KB最偉大湖人球員?那Magic Johnson放哪?
05/21 00:32, 58F

05/21 00:36, , 59F
原文有錯 Kobe在打鐵與出手方面已凌駕MJ之上
05/21 00:36, 59F

05/21 00:36, , 60F
成就各有千秋
05/21 00:36, 60F

05/21 00:38, , 61F
法庭成就嗎??
05/21 00:38, 61F

05/21 00:39, , 62F
Jordan多打八分鐘
05/21 00:39, 62F

05/21 00:41, , 63F
才一犯?不知該場防守如何……
05/21 00:41, 63F

05/21 00:41, , 64F
81>69 不用在吵了
05/21 00:41, 64F

05/21 00:42, , 65F
阿鼻地獄級監視器...
05/21 00:42, 65F

05/21 00:53, , 66F
81>69 KOBE<<MJ 這不是已經是一個結論了嗎= =
05/21 00:53, 66F

05/21 01:00, , 67F
1沒意義的比較文
05/21 01:00, 67F

05/21 01:04, , 68F
MJ督促SP成為天下第二人 KB只會嗆SP沒資格跟他說話
05/21 01:04, 68F

05/21 01:05, , 69F
誰比較重團隊發展很明顯了 就算CP3也是一球在手型球
05/21 01:05, 69F

05/21 01:06, , 70F
員 但先是帶出拳王的擋拆 後帶出快艇LOB大隊 至少不
05/21 01:06, 70F

05/21 01:06, , 71F
落得自私評語
05/21 01:06, 71F

05/21 01:07, , 72F
....人家是控衛不一球在手阿球是要給誰運
05/21 01:07, 72F

05/21 01:07, , 73F
caron butler 04-05來湖人的時候都是空氣在督促他練
05/21 01:07, 73F

05/21 01:08, , 74F
球吧。當然一定是Butler天份比Pippen好科仙才督促他
05/21 01:08, 74F

05/21 01:09, , 75F
練啦,不然就像semicoma說的直接嗆沒資格和他說話
05/21 01:09, 75F

05/21 01:09, , 76F
caron butler後來還說過跟自幹王身上學很多,交情也
05/21 01:09, 76F

05/21 01:09, , 77F
不錯
05/21 01:09, 77F

05/21 01:15, , 78F
腦補大隊持續運作
05/21 01:15, 78F

05/21 01:19, , 79F
Kobe:5>4 那81>69有錯嗎?
05/21 01:19, 79F

05/21 01:22, , 80F
@shihchinlun 個人覺得還是從打法而不是位置來看 不
05/21 01:22, 80F

05/21 01:23, , 81F
然Ron Harper就不會過半場把球丟給MJ惹
05/21 01:23, 81F

05/21 01:27, , 82F
EFF 80... 神爆了
05/21 01:27, 82F

05/21 01:32, , 83F
EFF 80... 神爆了
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05/21 01:41, , 84F
輸MJ並不可恥 可恥的是本人和信徒整天想越級打怪
05/21 01:41, 84F

05/21 01:43, , 85F
比EFF沒意義 81>69 老大完勝 結案
05/21 01:43, 85F

05/21 01:49, , 86F
結果他根本也沒針對這場比賽做甚麼分析
05/21 01:49, 86F

05/21 02:18, , 87F
全力進攻打弱隊vs攻守均衡顧團隊
05/21 02:18, 87F

05/21 02:34, , 88F
80>70 不解釋
05/21 02:34, 88F

05/21 12:22, , 89F
80 > 70 完勝
05/21 12:22, 89F

05/21 13:15, , 90F
看到狗迷只能用數字理論真好笑
05/21 13:15, 90F
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