[專欄] Kobe brilliant, 但湖人也需要團隊籃球已回收

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Kobe brilliant, but Lakers need team ball, too 連結: http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/post/_/id/36384/kobe-brilliant-but-lakers-need-team-ball-too 縮網址:http://ppt.cc/B_VD 作者:By Dave McMenamin / ESPNLosAngeles.com 原文部分摘錄(絕無斷章取義): Bryant was winding down from what can only be described as an epic performance by the 17-year veteran -- a season-high 47 points, eight rebounds, five assists, four blocks and three steals with just one turnover, a statistical line never before recorded in the league, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. Kobe 17年的NBA生涯,在今天又打出了一場經典賽,47分8籃板5助攻4阻攻3抄截1失誤 而這紀錄從未在聯盟中出現過。 And all those stats paled in comparison to Bryant's playing all 48 minutes, each and every second of the game, to help L.A. sweep a back-to-back for the first time in 16 tries this season and beat the Trail Blazers 113-106 in Portland, where the Lakers had lost 12 of their previous 14 games. 然而這些數據相較於Kobe打了足足48分鐘來說卻略顯失色,特別是過去14場背對背賽事 12輸的局面。(不太清楚是這樣翻還是過去14場對拓荒者的輸了12場) But World Peace and the rest of Bryant's teammates might not quite have his back the way he thinks they do. 但世界和平以及其他的隊友也許並不如Kobe所想像中的那麼支持他[的打球方式]。 "It's bittersweet," Pau Gasol said when asked about Bryant's dominating performance against the Blazers, in which he played all 48 minutes in a non-overtime road game for the first time in his career. "Because, I think it's spectacular and it's very impressive and it's remarkable to be able to play 48 minutes and score 47 points. That's incredible. On the other hand, I'm a player that likes to see a little bit more ball movement and better balance. I've always been [like that]. That's just how I perceive this game." Gasol被問及Kobe驚人的表現卻打了48分鐘時表示:「苦樂參半吧。我覺得又強大又 令人折服,在48分鐘的比賽中能得47分。那真的很厲害。但另一方面,我自己身為球員 會比較偏向多一點導球及多一點平衡。我也一向如此。這也是我對這場球賽的看法。」 "But again, he was incredible tonight. He scored a tremendous amount of points that I never scored in my life. So, like I said, it was very impressive and it's not something that you do every night, of course." 「但但但我必須重申,今晚的Kobe沒有極限。他所得的分數是我畢生從未達成的。 所以就像我說的,這很厲害而且也不是你每天都能做到。」 And Gasol is certainly aware he might not be a Laker today and definitely would not be a Laker finally getting consistent post touches in Mike D'Antoni's system if it wasn't for Bryant supporting him. Gasol之所以會如此補充也是因為他了解如果不是Kobe在在冷笑話系統中支持他,他今 天也許不是湖人球員了。 Hence, Gasol didn't rail on Bryant's going 14-for-27 on a night when he and Dwight Howard combined to go 20-for-26, but he also made his point quite clear. 於是在他與魔獸合計20-26的今晚,Gasol並沒有對Kobe的14-27多做評論,但他也把他 的想法講很清楚了。 "I just always like to see a little more ball movement because he attracts so much attention," Gasol said. "He attracts so much double-teams off pick-and-rolls, off isolations, and he's made great plays, great passes down the stretch. But he was extra aggressive tonight." 「我只是比較喜歡看多一點傳球,單純因為他招攬太多防守威脅了。不過今晚面對多 樣的包夾、pick-and-roll、ISO,他的確投了很多好球也傳了很多好球。」 It's walking a fine line, of course, to not give total credit to what Bryant has been doing. The Lakers need to win all these games. They have gone 5-1 in their past six with Bryant playing 45.7 minutes per game while averaging 28.0 points, 9.2 assists, 7.7 rebounds, 2.5 steals and 1.2 blocks. Tough to argue with that. However, if this playoff push is supposed to ready the team for a championship run, that's where Gasol and Howard feel it's within their right to speak up. This isn't a sustainable formula to take the title. 當然不把所有的功勞都歸給Kobe就像走在一條鋼索上。湖人需要贏最近這幾場球賽,而 Kobe的數據也很難被辯駁。然而,進到季後賽,Gasol跟魔獸認為他們有權在球隊中發 聲了。湖人這樣的打球方式絕對無法撐到冠軍。 "We just got to play together; that's the biggest thing," Howard said. "Play together. I think we got to really play inside-out. That's what kills teams. It slows the game down. It gets me and Pau in a rhythm, and we're able to find guys on the perimeter also. It's tough to guard." 魔獸表示:「我們需要一起打球,這是最重要的。打團隊球賽,我們也需要裡外兼顧。 這樣才能殺爆其他球隊。雖然會讓球賽慢下來,但這會讓我跟Gasol跟上節奏,而我們 也可以因此找到更多有空檔的隊友。這樣我們就很難防守了。」 "At the end of the game, Pau was looking for Kobe, and I'm like, 'What the hell are you looking for Kobe for? Go to work. You don't have time for spectating. Everybody, what the f--- are you looking for Kobe for? Go to work. Everybody go to work,'" World Peace said Tuesday. "The five guys that are on that floor? We go to work. We're not watching." 世界和平在星期二的比賽說:「在比賽快結束時,Gasol在尋找Kobe,但是我大喊: 『你幹嘛找Kobe?認真打球啊。你沒有時間觀察!大家你們他X的幹嘛找Kobe?快打球 啊!大家快點動起來!我們不是旁觀者而是球隊的一份子。」 There's a reason Bryant is one of only five players ever to score 30,000 points or more. He has a tremendous individual will. Odds are he's not going to all of a sudden start giving. His teammates will have to take. Kobe之所以是史上前五位得分超過30000分的球員不是沒有原因的。他有極大的個人 意志。要他在一時之間突然開始傳球實在強人所難。他的隊友必須忍受。 "You try to do everything," Bryant said of his historic stat line. "You don't look for excuses. You don't wait on anybody else to make rotations; you do it yourself, and by doing that, it sets an example for everybody else to do the same thing. It's not to sit and wait on everybody else to be aggressive or to make plays. Everybody just go out there and do it as yourself, and that's how you end up getting those good, collective wins." Kobe談及他的紀錄時表示:「你只能盡力而為,不能找理由。你不能等其他人輪轉; 你得自己來,而這樣做會促使大家也跟著這樣做。打球本來就不是坐著等其他人進攻。 每個人應該是去打球然後*打好球賽*,這樣終究才能打贏那些團隊的好仗。」 *【註】(虛心受教) 原本的爭議點是有人戰 it 我翻錯,那來吧: (1) 通常it要看最接近代名詞前面的名詞,照這個文法,前面一句 "It is not to sit and wait on everybody else to make plays" "is"本來就是「是」的意思 也就是 "It" = "not to sit and wait on everybody else to make plays" 這樣下一句就是翻成「每個人應該是出去然後不要等著別人得分」 言下之意就是我原本翻的「每個人應該是去打球然後自己設法得分」 (2) it當然也可以看整段的it追溯到底 最剛開始出現it的時候,它的前面一句是"you try to do everything" 所以這裡的"it"也可以翻成「你要全能」 講白一點就是「你要什麼都做」 好啊那這樣"Everybody just go out there and do it as yourself" 就翻成「每個人應該發揮本能,什麼都做」 ================= 心得: 湖人大家都在說要打團隊球賽,Kobe自己來的終極目的也是為了團隊贏球 但是對於「團隊」的認知每個球員都不太一樣 Gasol跟魔獸期待的是in-and-out策略,多傳才能分散防守壓力 世界和平期待的大家上場就做好自己的事,打好自己的位置 而Kobe的期待是大家上去就「自己來」,然後全隊自己來之後就叫Team Basketball了 所以這樣比較起來,湖人有可能取得一個「團隊精神」的球隊共識嗎? 文章裡面世界和平在星期二的比賽也已經講到盲點了 當天的比賽最後,Gasol在找Kobe,這樣是適用Kobe的團隊版本,就是讓他投球 但是世界和平認為大家應該打好自己的位置,不是只有「找Kobe投球」 而是後衛的打好後衛、前鋒打前鋒、中鋒打中鋒 然而Gasol的傳球也符合他跟魔獸的in-and-out傳球策略 就是多導傳製造空檔不是嗎? 湖人的 team play,要說達成了好像有,但球員間的認知又好像沒有 實在很弔詭。 【順補今天被噓到X2那篇的額外心得】 我沒有在酸,但是事到如今因該被湖迷框定了XD 如果說今天的比賽Kobe多傳球呢? 我也沒有在說乾爹,但是看影片Kobe一直被包夾,隊友很多空檔 假如說今天剛好犯在Kobe身上的犯規沒有這麼明顯,結果裁判沒吹 那是不是就增加了球隊輸球的風險了? 18-18的罰球數只要再少掉一點的話,那湖人今天的贏球可能就不樂觀了。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.116.133.85

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智慧型Kobe
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現役最偉大 沒有之一
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團隊籃板很重要啊
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密碼愈來愈大串 好煩
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很興奮 但也不要為LA高興得太早
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靠出手數刷分
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Gosal的真心真難懂XD
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Gasol
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我真的超喜歡阿平的XDDDD 真性情
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那段應該是本季b2b首次兩場皆贏
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然後在波特蘭近14場輸12
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樓上正解
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Gasol高位持球是現在LA最強殺招 跳投/Kb擋傳/DH高吊
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重點:他X的幹嘛找Kobe XDDDDDD
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kobe的團對籃球就是kobe負責投球,其他人撿子彈做好
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防守,分工精細,完美團隊
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很可惜,不過也不用太過擔心湖人。
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老大的名字居然被改了 @@
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Kobe Stern
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KOBE的打鐵系統
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永遠不傳球 不管空檔多大 奈許和尬獸 世平和魔獸
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今天晚上衛視10點重播 你再去看吧
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先別管進攻了,湖人還不知道"防守"兩個字怎麼寫吧
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我看了啊,到處空檔。
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他今天真的打不錯
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不可質疑汝的 老大
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無聊 今天這戰還有誰質疑老大的實力嗎?
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這篇講團隊精神,各自表述,哪裡酸到Kobe了? 但是我覺得如果你的身分是球隊上的一員,那你絕對有權力去評論自己的隊友 因為你的老闆不是隊友,是整體球隊。

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20-26 <<<<<<<< 14-27 BJ4
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都別想要球!! 永遠不傳球!! http://0rz.tw/0U1rG
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重點是當別人想要自己來的時候,老大會不爽然後說:
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"give me the god damn ball"
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請LAODA下令 立刻拘提嘎受及世平
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看看那精美的罰球數,是不是有幾分要算到乾爹那裏?
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沒人質疑Kobe實力 但很質疑他本季能否帶領F4拿到冠軍
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看錯 以為在說今天kobe不傳球
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===========玫瑰花園廣場近14場輸12場==============
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Gasol感覺很矛盾 想打團隊但又不敢反抗老大
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這就是Gasol的犧牲之處 萊里還不趕快打電話給他
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KOBE撇開丹佛事件不談的話真的是不錯
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你的文章再看了一次 真的值得一看
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假如 假如
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謝謝hazel大的鼓勵,今天的上一篇被定位成酸酸XDDDD
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推一個
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辛苦原po 推~
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最近幾乎都打40分鐘以上 還好季賽快結束不然會報廢吧
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infinite8176:轉錄至看板 Lakers 04/11 22:59

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英文加油點!!
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朝聖
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亂翻譯BJ4
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骨折?
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嗨~~XD
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第二段是說,湖人本季16次的B2B中第一次拿下二連勝。
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而湖人先前作客波特蘭的14場比賽中輸了12場
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你最後一段的假設是不可能的,平常不吹時還會讓他出現
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一下打鐵數據,但是這種關鍵比賽不吹湖人肯定要輸的
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阿平令我感動!!!!!!!!!!!!
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推翻譯
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拜託不要加入自己的主觀意見去翻譯好嗎
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朝聖
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給推!!
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翻的很好 推!!
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蘇胡拉 酸迷快點想梗 加油點 哈哈
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do it "as" yourself not do it "by" yourself
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為避免爭端再起,把翻譯改成最不會引人遐想的翻譯了,以上 ※ 編輯: popinteddy 來自: 140.116.133.85 (04/12 14:43)
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