[外絮] Revisiting Lin vs. Felton Decision已回收

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資料來源:ESPN,http://goo.gl/Q7fbf 作者:kevin pelton From the standpoint of the New York Knicks, hoping to justify their decision to let Jeremy Lin leave in free agency and replace him at point guard with Raymond Felton, this season couldn't have started any better. Felton was excellent during the month of November as the Knicks got off to a surprising start, while Lin struggled to find his place next to James Harden with the Houston Rockets. 對尼克隊而言,十一月開季戰績長紅加上Raymond Felton(Lin的替代品)大爆發合理 化了放走Lin的決定,因為Lin表現不佳且還在學習如何與James Harden一起打球。 Some three months later, it's worth revisiting the Lin decision. Felton's success, like his team's, has proved fleeting. Meanwhile, the Rockets and Lin are one of the league's hottest teams. 過了三個再來看看這個決定,好不?Felton的爆發一閃即逝,而Lin的火箭則是聯盟最火 熱的球隊之一。 Misleading month 令人誤會的那個月 You remember November, right? President Barack Obama had just been re-elected, Manti Te'o was merely a linebacker in contention for the Heisman, and the Knicks were one of the NBA's best teams. Behind a flurry of 3-pointers and a smaller lineup with Carmelo Anthony at power forward, New York started the season 14-4. The Knicks capped that stretch with their second win over the Miami Heat and marked themselves as serious contenders in the Eastern Conference. 還記得12月嗎?尼克隊是聯盟最強球隊之一。充滿激情的三分球和以Carmelo Anthony為 主的小個子先發陣容,讓尼克得到14-4戰績。包括兩次戰勝熱火的壯舉,也讓尼克成為東 區冠軍的熱門隊伍之一。 New York's backcourt of Felton and fellow newcomer Jason Kidd played a major role in the fast start. Felton made 40 percent of his 3s in November while averaging 14.6 points and 6.7 assists. Kidd was even better beyond the arc at nearly 49 percent. As a team, the Knicks shot 41.6 percent from 3-point range, powering the league's best offensive rating in the month. Felton 和新同學Jason Kidd是這套快速球風的關鍵後場。Felton 12月的三分命中率超過 40%、平均得分14.6分、助攻6.7次,Kidd則有高於生涯平均的49%命中率。尼克隊的三分 命中率高達41.6%,是聯盟中進攻最犀利的隊伍。 Everyone said the shooting couldn't last, and it didn't. Since Dec. 1, New York has shot exactly the league average (35.8 percent) on 3-pointers. Felton, at 31.4 percent, has been even worse. The Knicks are still a very good offensive team, ranking sixth in points per possession from December onward, but not the juggernaut they once were. 但有人說"你以為可以天天過年嗎!",當然不行。自從12/1之後,尼克隊三分命中率回復 到聯盟平均35.8%,Felton只有31.4%。尼克還保持著每回合進攻得分排行第6的佳績,但 已經不再像是juggernaut般無敵(Xman中的怪物,比巨石強森還壯)。 At the same time, as the chart shows, the Rockets were making the opposite transformation, with Lin as one of the leaders. As Houston has figured out how to utilize both Harden and Lin, the Rockets' offense has gone from solidly above average in November to elite. Lin's own statistics, as measured by wins above replacement, have seen a similar boost. 同時,以Lin為主的火箭卻產生另外相反的變化。火箭隊學會如何融合Lin和Harden,12 月份他們的進攻從平庸提升到了精英程度。Lin的wins above replacement數據也有成長 。 Knicks finding their level 尼克隊回歸現實 The Knicks, it turns out, are who we thought they were. Since peaking at 14-4, they have consistently played at about a 45-win pace -- matching preseason expectations. Project that out through the rest of the schedule and New York figures to finish somewhere around 49 wins, which should be good for third in the East. 終就來說,尼克隊跟我們預期的一樣,除了14-4的高潮,漸漸走向平均45勝的節奏。預估 季末會有49勝左右的水準,占據東區第3。 Fears that the crosstown rival Brooklyn Nets will come back to win the Atlantic Division are probably overstated. While the Nets have climbed within two games in the standings, their point differential is barely better than .500, suggesting they're likely to regress somewhat the rest of the way. The same is true of the Atlanta Hawks, who sit fifth, leaving only the Chicago Bulls with a healthy Derrick Rose as a serious threat to the Knicks' top-three seed. 同城兄弟籃網不太可能超越老鷹進而贏過尼克,因為籃網只有領先兩場勝差,勝負分差只 有0.5多一點,最終會回歸正常。排名第6老鷹也是同樣狀況,所以唯一能威脅東區前三種 子只有缺少Rose的公牛隊。 Felton, it turns out, is also who we thought he was -- not quite as bad as he looked during his disastrous 2011-12 campaign in Portland, but not as good as he played during his first half-season in New York or the opening month this season. As much as Felton's playmaking and his ability to generate steals have helped the Knicks, he has had a tough time scoring efficiently since the 3s stopped falling. Felton is making just 42.4 percent of his 2-point attempts and has seen his true shooting percentage slip to 47.5 percent -- far worse than the league average of 53.2 percent. Felton也不出我們所料,雖不至於2011-12 拓荒者那樣悲慘,也無法超過上次在尼克隊的 高水準。當他三分命中下滑之後得分變得困難,就只能靠著抄截和指揮幫助球隊。 Felton 兩分命中率只有42.4%,真實命中率也只有47.5%,遠低於聯盟平均53.2%。 Moving beyond Linsanity 超越林來瘋 For both the Knicks and Lin himself, Linsanity has become a distant memory. Gone are the headlines, the screaming fans and the incredible numbers Lin posted as the Knicks' go-to player last February. Instead of getting Linsanity, the Rockets ended up with Jeremy Lin, developing point guard. 對尼克和Lin來說,林來瘋已經遠去。頭條新聞、瘋狂球迷和瘋狂得分秀也是去年二月的 事了。火箭隊得到的Lin只是個開發中的控衛。 Playing next to Harden, Lin isn't the focal point of the Houston offense the way he was during the stretch that made him a household name. However, he has defied critics by showing the ability to thrive in that smaller role. In part, that's because of the adjustments made by the Rockets' coaching staff. It also reflects Lin's 3-point shooting regressing to the mean. After shooting 26.3 percent from downtown in November, Lin is at 34.4 percent since, making him something of a threat when opponents leave him open. 在Harden身邊的Lin,已經不是球隊的得分重心。而他無視旁人評論努力融入教練團設定 的角色球員之中。數據會回歸,Lin從本來的26.3%三分命中率回到34.4%,稱得上對手該 注意的威脅。 The funny thing is Lin's 2012-13 stat line is relatively similar in many ways to what he did last year in New York. His effective field goal percentage, for example, is an identical .478. The difference in Lin's offense is entirely a matter of volume. He's down from using 28.1 percent of the Knicks' plays to 20 percent of Houston's, putting him precisely at the typical figure, and his assist rate has dropped by almost a third. Lin's overall performance, All-Star caliber in 2011-12's limited sample, is slightly below league average this season. That's a more sustainable level of play. 有趣的是,Lin的數據跟去年有許多相似之處。包括有效命中率effective field goal 47.8%、Lin的被使用率從尼克隊的28.8%下降到20%。助功率下降森三分之一。Lin的本季 表現比聯盟平均還低一些,尚有進步空間。 Looking ahead 往前看吧 Lin's ability to coexist with Harden, who doesn't use as many plays as Anthony but tends to dominate the ball to a greater extent, leads naturally to the question of whether Lin could have fit into an Anthony-centric offense at Madison Square Garden. Harden不像Anthony占據多數攻擊機會,卻傾向更全面的控制球權。讓人不禁想問 Lin能 否同樣適應Anthony為中心的麥迪遜花園廣場。 There are advantages to Lin's current situation. Houston's fast pace, and the sheer number of pick-and-rolls the Rockets run as the basis of their offense, give him more opportunity to play in space than he might have had in New York. Still, it's not clear that Felton is any better fit for the Knicks than Lin would have been. According to mySynergySports.com, the two players have been about equally effective on spot-up opportunities, with Lin averaging 0.91 points per shot to Felton's 0.95. Surprisingly, Lin is a much more frequent spot-up shooter. 因為快節奏,Lin明顯從火箭隊受益更多。加上pick'N roll的大量使用,讓Lin能在尼克 隊沒有的舒服空間打球。根據 mySynergySports.com,Lin和Felton的 spot-up 每次得分 為0.91分和0.95分差不多接近,但Lin得到spot-up的機會更為頻繁。 We're also comparing these players as they are now, not as they will be at the end of the three-year contract Houston gave Lin. While Felton, 28, is likely to be about the same player at that point if not take a slight step backward, the 24-year-old Lin still has room to grow as an outside shooter and playmaker. 我們是以目前比現來比較兩位球員,而不是3年合約後的Lin和Felton。3年後28歲的 Felton可能跟現在一樣不上不下。但是目前24歲的Lin仍有成長為射手和playmaker的空間 。 The Knicks won the early rounds of the Lin versus Felton decision. If Lin already has pulled even, however, there may be no question who the better choice was in a couple of years. 目前而言尼克隊對於Lin和Felton的決定是對的,但Lin照著目前節奏成長的話,他們兩人 誰比較好就不用多說了。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 163.25.118.240

03/20 22:30, , 1F
只會說肥噸的命中率 怎不敢列一下豪哥的?
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03/20 22:31, , 2F
HOW ABOUT SHU HAO?
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03/20 22:31, , 3F
別這樣 國外也有很多LIN 迷
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03/20 22:32, , 4F
不過我覺得兩個比 根本怪怪的 1是薪水不同 2是火箭
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03/20 22:32, , 5F
之前有冰箱再亂冰
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03/20 22:33, , 6F
Lin命中是後來上漲 不過管他的 反正MSG又要漲票價了
03/20 22:33, 6F

03/20 22:37, , 7F
肥頓之前也有傷..尼克現在也傷一堆人..只能說衰小
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03/20 22:38, , 8F
這篇好像沒翻完。
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03/20 22:39, , 9F
一樓有查過再嗆嗎????
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03/20 22:40, , 10F
真的我漏看半段文章@@ 待會再補剩下的
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03/20 22:40, , 11F
快來個強者來打1f臉
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03/20 22:41, , 12F
早就黃金交叉了, Lin FG% 44.2% TS 53.7%
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03/20 22:42, , 13F
看到lin替代品 直接end
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03/20 22:43, , 14F
林44.2%+33%菲爾頓41.6%+35% 一樓是在做球給大家殺嗎
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03/20 22:45, , 15F
放走Lin對雙方都好..Lin在尼克大概也只能投3分吧..
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03/20 22:45, , 16F
甜瓜多休息幾場,肥頓的命中率最少提升5%
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03/20 22:46, , 17F
酸酸都喜歡矇著眼 大家不要太過分
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03/20 22:47, , 18F
拿肥頓跟豪神比根本是汙辱豪神
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03/20 22:48, , 19F
LIN要是留尼克,現在地位搞不好只比釀酒人高點
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03/20 22:48, , 20F
misleading應該是使人產生誤解,不是錯ㄕ領先
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03/20 22:48, , 21F
3月48.4%,三分37.8%,Felton的關鍵防守贏了至少2場
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03/20 22:48, , 22F
補充一下 Lin的兩分命中率達48.5%
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03/20 22:48, , 23F
錯失
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03/20 22:49, , 24F
季初尼克戰績一飛沖天 不是一堆酸某人是毒瘤
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03/20 22:49, , 25F
這篇其實跟Lin沒什麼關係吧
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03/20 22:49, , 26F
要酸也先看完資料再來 科科
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03/20 22:50, , 27F
原來是漏翻
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03/20 22:50, , 28F
果頁果頁!
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03/20 22:50, , 29F
某人留尼克,全隊都黑到發亮
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03/20 22:51, , 30F
Felton也就是這樣了 而Lin還有很大進步空間與未來吧!
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03/20 22:51, , 31F
祝福他囉~
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03/20 22:53, , 32F
肥頓快29歲,應該不會再成長了
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03/20 22:55, , 33F
一樓小心變胖子
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03/20 22:58, , 34F
很奇妙的真要說有誰黑到發亮,不管新舊隊好像都只有一
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03/20 22:59, , 35F
個耶.
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03/20 23:00, , 36F
開季超嗆的咧
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03/20 23:01, , 37F
籃網那段整個翻錯。
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03/20 23:03, , 38F
1F XD
03/20 23:03, 38F

03/20 23:05, , 39F
The Rock擺在Xman裡算壯嗎?
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03/20 23:06, , 40F
正常啊。Felton受傷影響很大。Kidd老了撐不久。
03/20 23:06, 40F
剛補完謝謝大家耐心等候。 ※ 編輯: likeway 來自: 163.25.118.240 (03/20 23:13)

03/20 23:18, , 41F
Felton不太會督促自己 進聯盟後體重一直不降反升
03/20 23:18, 41F

03/20 23:19, , 42F
或許這就是他跟CP3 DW最大的差別
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03/20 23:23, , 43F
mislead是誤導,不是錯失領先…
03/20 23:23, 43F
感謝大家指正錯誤~~ ※ 編輯: likeway 來自: 163.25.118.240 (03/20 23:26)

03/20 23:30, , 44F
一個打七年一個才打兩年~~明眼的的人也看得出差距
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03/20 23:30, , 45F
拿雞腿比牛肉 不過Lin不太適合跟明星搭配 不合
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03/20 23:33, , 46F
尼克不肯付豪華稅才放林的 沒啥需要回頭檢視這決定
03/20 23:33, 46F

03/20 23:37, , 47F
尼克:神經病 3年後市場新貨更多
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03/20 23:40, , 48F
黃金交叉 靠三分吃飯的尼克回覆原狀意料中之事
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03/20 23:44, , 49F
替代品
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03/20 23:47, , 50F
傷的傷殘的殘就是爽 說好的東區冠軍咧
03/20 23:47, 50F

03/21 00:00, , 51F
紐約痛痛隊
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03/21 00:14, , 52F
籃網和尼克勝差也才一場怎麼會沒機會
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03/21 00:23, , 53F
如果林留在尼克以現在成績拿過去還是十足的薪水小偷
03/21 00:23, 53F

03/21 00:27, , 54F
那又怎麼樣 .... NBA薪水小偷又沒表現得比LIN多太多
03/21 00:27, 54F

03/21 00:28, , 55F
放心...火箭有賺到贊助錢...老闆感受比較重要
03/21 00:28, 55F

03/21 00:30, , 56F
國外也很愛比..Felton不是也受傷...恢復需時間吧
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03/21 00:31, , 57F
尼克不是戰績整個掉下來了嗎?
03/21 00:31, 57F

03/21 00:53, , 58F
尼克少了Wallace可以在外線砍唬爛三分差很多
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03/21 00:59, , 59F
還有西蛙籃板也很重要 少了西蛙尼克戰績就開始不穩了
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03/21 01:04, , 60F
兩隊戰積因素這麼多 扯在這兩個人身上比較真好笑
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03/21 01:25, , 61F
怎麼不比薪水 LIN一個人 FELTON和KIDD加起來比他少
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03/21 01:33, , 62F
Lin在火箭打得也是差強人意 第四節偶爾還被冰
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03/21 01:34, , 63F
火箭能進季後賽 主要功臣是大鬍子 原作者以偏概全
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03/21 01:35, , 64F
翻得很不OK喔
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03/21 01:55, , 65F
lin才合約第一年 一堆人把他當每年都1500萬鎂就對了
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03/21 06:07, , 66F
推認真,不過很多地方翻得怪怪的...
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03/21 06:55, , 67F
至少尼克穩穩進季後賽吧...火箭還是有危機
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03/21 07:22, , 68F
Lin是吸票機 Felton能吸什麼?
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03/21 07:22, , 69F
老闆多付一點也很合理
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03/21 08:59, , 70F
這個交易算是各取所需吧
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03/21 09:17, , 71F
Felton能吸洋芋片
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03/21 22:14, , 72F
說真的 LIN比較強
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