Re: [情報] NBA單季各數據之王

看板NBA作者 (賀!金鐘影帝GET!)時間14年前 (2010/05/05 02:11), 編輯推噓217(2269136)
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05/04 17:27,
喬丹才是自幹王吧
05/04 17:27

05/04 17:30,
沒進哨音就來了 當然命中率高
05/04 17:30
Career FTA/FGA Michael Jordan 0.3575 Kobe Bryant 0.3957

05/04 17:52,
JORDAN那有如嬰兒般的三分球命中率
05/04 17:52
Playoffs 3P% Michael Jordan 0.332 Kobe Bryant 0.332

05/04 18:40,
可見古早的防守強度 沒外線威脅還可以容易切入
05/04 18:40

05/04 19:07,
MJ時代不能聯防 當然可以切爽爽
05/04 19:07

05/04 19:07,
MJ放到現在 得分先扣個五分吧
05/04 19:07

05/04 19:07,
這就是為什麼很多人覺得Kobe在MJ之上 外線夠準
05/04 19:07

05/04 19:09,
Kobe到以前得分應該跟喝水一樣吧 哪裡都能
05/04 19:09
看一下下面這部影片吧 喔,如果你們看得懂的話 Michael Jordan vs Zone Defenses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tXwAhMVb1Y
New York Times November 4, 1987 "Last season, Jordan had to overcome the harassment of zone traps and double and triple-teaming to win the scoring title by averaging 37.1 points a game." "You can't even touch a guy now," says Charlotte coach Larry Brown. "The college game is much more physical than our game. I always tease Michael [Jordan], if he played today, he'd average 50." During a 2007 L.A. Lakers pre-season broadcast, Phil Jackson was asked how he thought Michael Jordan would perform today, Phil said: "Michael would average 45 with these rules." Under an interpretation of the rules adopted by the NBA, if Dumars were playing today he would not be allowed to guard Jordan so physically, or perhaps even guard him at all. Asked if he could defend Jordan under todays interpretation of the rules, Dumars first laughed, "It would have been virtually impossible to defend Michael Jordan based on the way the games being called right now." Dumars said. 90's defenses were the best defenses at containing perimeter basketball players. 90's defenses took the best aspects of 80's defenses and added to them. 00's defenses were stripped of their rights to actually physically contain the ball handler. LeBron James, Tony Parker and Dwyane Wade can get to the rim at will, so you know Michael Jordan would in today's NBA if he was in his prime, in fact, Jordan would DESTROY this league. DESTROY!!! The NBA itself (Rod Thorn) admits that the new rules (no handchecking, defensive 3 seconds) were put in place to "open up the game" Question for Clyde Drexler: In the current league where there is no hand checking and no ruff play how much better would your numbers be? Clyde Drexler: "Oh, tremendously better, from shooting percentage to points per game everything would be up, and our old teams would score a lot more points, and that is saying something because we could score a lot back then. I do think there should be an asterisk next to some of these scoring leaders, because it is much different trying to score with a forearm in your face. It is harder to score with that resistance. You had to turn your back on guys defending you back in the day with all the hand checking that was going on. For guys who penetrate these days, it's hunting season. Yes, now you can (legally)play (floating)zone, but teams rarely do." "It's pretty hard to play defense against these quicker guards without touching them a little bit," Tex Winter said. I think the officials are going to have to make an adjustment too. They cant call all those touch fouls. You cant be as aggressive as youd like to be with your hands. You cant be into the guy as much. Tex Winter "As a result, defense now becomes a matter of waiting for the offensive player to make a mistake, rather than forcing a turnover." Tex Winter said. "Players today can get to the basket individually much easier." "I think that Jordan Rules defense, as much as anything else, played a part in the making of Michael Jordan," said Tex Winter, who was an assistant coach for that Chicago team. "The 1990 loss forced Jordan and the Bulls to find an answer to Detroits muscle. Those Jordan Rules were murder," Winter explained. "The fact that we could win the next year even though they were playing that defense says everything about Jordan as a competitor. Any lesser player would have folded his tent. Jordan had to dig deeper to respond to the Pistons, and his effort pushed his Bulls to six championships over the next eight seasons." Tex Winter, now 84 and the veteran of more than a half century of coaching, has serious misgivings about what the league has done. Winter acknowledges the outgrowth of the new rules interpretation is the rise of the super dominant offensive player, led by Wades performance in the NBA Finals and Bryants string of 40-, 50, even 60-point games during the regular season. "It's brought all these 40-point scorers," Winter said. "They cant score 40 points unless they get 15-20 free throws. And thats exactly what they were getting on their big nights." Case in point: during Kobe Bryant's 62 point game in 3 quarters, most forget that he was given 25 free throws in 3 quarters and multiple Dallas Mavs players were given technicals for complaining due to their disbelief over the fouls being called. "The defensive rules, the hand checking, the ability to make contact on a guy in certain areas .... [have] all been taken away from the game. If Kobe could get 81, I think Michael could get 100 in today's game." - Scottie Pippen January 2006 Craig Hodges is the Lakers shooting coach, get a look at what he said: Q: If you could take one player in their prime, would you take Michael Jordan or Kobe? A: M.J., all day. There's no comparison. M.J. could score 100 points in this era. You can't hand-check now. Imagine that trying to guard M.J. It would be crazy. Hall of Famer Rick Barry, a keen observer of the game, said he would love to see players of the past getting to attack the basket under the new officiating. Theyd score a lot more, he said. Even youth basketball coaches can tell you that "a good zone looks like a man-to-man, and a good man-to-man looks like a zone." 防守三秒規則下的現今防守 vs 喬丹時代的防守 http://0rz.tw/ZebBM 1.在防守三秒的規則下,即便使用區域防守 那也是被閹割過的版本,更遑論防守不好或是不用區防的隊伍 那就更好切了 2.在防守三秒的規則下,可以等禁區的球員退出來再切進去 3.喬丹時代的禁區,無論何時總是站滿了一堆死釘在裡面的大個子 另外附送 Michael Jordan vs. Piston's Defense (aka: "Jordan Rules") http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE&feature=player_embedded
Michael Jordan vs. Knick's Defense - An Analysis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K-qGWkiKvQ&feature=player_embedded
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05/05 02:16, , 1F
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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05/05 02:16, , 2F
請考慮科迷的感受XDD
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05/05 02:16, , 3F
好HIGH的回文 更期待"印象派大師"要怎麼回了
05/05 02:16, 3F

05/05 02:18, , 4F
優質科迷一定直接end 繼續跳針
05/05 02:18, 4F

05/05 02:19, , 5F
我幫科迷想好說法了.."這些人都是說場面話"
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05/05 02:20, , 6F
好文推 不知道球隊得分因為這個規則上升了多少?
05/05 02:20, 6F

05/05 02:20, , 7F
"反正if的事永遠不能得證,科仙還是最棒的,啾咪"
05/05 02:20, 7F

05/05 02:21, , 8F
你這樣他們看不懂 他們一看到KOBE就升天了XD
05/05 02:21, 8F

05/05 02:21, , 9F
回的太棒了...XD
05/05 02:21, 9F

05/05 02:22, , 10F
真是一針見血XD
05/05 02:22, 10F

05/05 02:23, , 11F
Jordan would DESTROY this league. DESTROY!!!
05/05 02:23, 11F

05/05 02:23, , 12F
我喜歡這句,簡單明瞭
05/05 02:23, 12F

05/05 02:23, , 13F
這篇不M說不過去,算是最近這陣子整理最完整的好文
05/05 02:23, 13F

05/05 02:25, , 14F
這篇真是壓倒性的重拳阿= =
05/05 02:25, 14F

05/05 02:25, , 15F
XD
05/05 02:25, 15F

05/05 02:28, , 16F
好文!
05/05 02:28, 16F

05/05 02:29, , 17F
請考慮科迷心中的感受好嗎XDD
05/05 02:29, 17F

05/05 02:29, , 18F
在推 真的太用心了~~
05/05 02:29, 18F

05/05 02:30, , 19F
哇嗚 趕盡殺絕哩~
05/05 02:30, 19F

05/05 02:30, , 20F
嬰兒般的三分球命中率 XDDDD 結果2個都嬰兒?
05/05 02:30, 20F

05/05 02:30, , 21F
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05/05 02:32, , 22F
太多英文 看不懂 我只知道我們科比老大拿過81分
05/05 02:32, 22F

05/05 02:33, , 23F
太晚發文了啦 這樣高中生都在睡覺了
05/05 02:33, 23F

05/05 02:33, , 24F
當大多數人都認為MJ超越前人的時候 就不需要證實了
05/05 02:33, 24F

05/05 02:33, , 25F
XD
05/05 02:33, 25F

05/05 02:33, , 26F
KOBE還要用各種方法試圖證實超越MJ的可能 只是代表
05/05 02:33, 26F

05/05 02:34, , 27F
大多數人不認同他有超越
05/05 02:34, 27F

05/05 02:34, , 28F
有沒有科迷不先研究好數據就想戰老喬的八卦@@?
05/05 02:34, 28F
還有 303 則推文
還有 2 段內文
05/05 11:15, , 332F
當時裁判尺度比較鬆 不會動不動就被吹
05/05 11:15, 332F

05/05 11:29, , 333F
但是那時候的聯防意識還有防手搖擺人的經驗都很少
05/05 11:29, 333F

05/05 11:36, , 334F
科迷請有實力再來亂 別老是學ZSH
05/05 11:36, 334F

05/05 11:40, , 335F
.....聯防意識跟守搖擺人經驗很少?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
05/05 11:40, 335F

05/05 11:41, , 336F
原po給的對尼克那個連結,你看看尼克是怎麼聯防的
05/05 11:41, 336F

05/05 11:42, , 337F
90年代各隊都被MJ殺翻,沒有一隊不研究怎麼守MJ的
05/05 11:42, 337F

05/05 11:43, , 338F
Kobe非常幸運,大部分的時候並沒有受到MJ那樣的防守
05/05 11:43, 338F

05/05 11:44, , 339F
尼克可以傾全隊之力三夾四夾MJ
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05/05 11:44, , 340F
對上21世紀初的湖人第一考慮的防守重點是Shaq
05/05 11:44, 340F

05/05 11:45, , 341F
根本撥不出這麼多人手去協防Kobe
05/05 11:45, 341F

05/05 11:48, , 342F
p板中肯
05/05 11:48, 342F

05/05 11:55, , 343F
說以前防守鬆的 拜託看看活塞 那叫狠 不叫鬆
05/05 11:55, 343F

05/05 11:58, , 344F
拜託不要再拿Kobe跟MJ比,這是地球人跟外星人的差別
05/05 11:58, 344F

05/05 12:01, , 345F
JORDAN三分出少遠低於KOBE 不同出手量實在沒啥好比
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05/05 12:01, , 346F
有些人已經懺悔承認了,但是不斷地還是有新血進來啊
05/05 12:01, 346F

05/05 12:10, , 347F
有俠客在誰有時間管自幹王包夾歐肥就累得半死了
05/05 12:10, 347F

05/05 12:11, , 348F
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05/05 12:13, , 349F
KB08怎麼不出來面對一下?
05/05 12:13, 349F

05/05 12:13, , 350F
板大這樣傷害科迷會被聯署下台的> <
05/05 12:13, 350F

05/05 12:20, , 351F
別這樣 這要怎麼給台階下
05/05 12:20, 351F

05/05 12:25, , 352F
怎麼只拿playoff的三分不比season??
05/05 12:25, 352F

05/05 12:27, , 353F
XDD 欠罵
05/05 12:27, 353F

05/05 12:43, , 354F
XDDD
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05/05 12:45, , 355F
科迷只會說別人金身 無視科仙沒被壞孩子水準毆打過
05/05 12:45, 355F

05/05 12:48, , 356F
XDDDD
05/05 12:48, 356F

05/05 12:48, , 357F
科迷要崩潰了
05/05 12:48, 357F

05/05 12:55, , 358F
好文,道盡以往跟現今禁區防守最大差異。
05/05 12:55, 358F

05/05 12:59, , 359F
爽啦 電爆那些沒有看過MJ神的傢伙
05/05 12:59, 359F

05/05 13:16, , 360F
請不要這麼中肯,這樣科迷會崩潰
05/05 13:16, 360F

05/05 13:54, , 361F
原po把某迷電得好慘 XD
05/05 13:54, 361F

05/05 14:30, , 362F
KB08狀態:離線中....
05/05 14:30, 362F

05/05 15:50, , 363F
可憐的科迷 加油好嗎
05/05 15:50, 363F

05/05 15:55, , 364F
沒得81分,mj就是輸kobe 科科
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05/05 15:55, , 365F
幫爆
05/05 15:55, 365F

05/05 16:23, , 366F
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd
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05/05 16:30, , 367F
反串科迷GANZ又來引戰囉,大家站穩~
05/05 16:30, 367F

05/05 17:37, , 368F
好文!!
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05/05 19:01, , 369F
這拳大概有200磅 直擊對立球迷
05/05 19:01, 369F

05/05 19:02, , 370F
有沒有翻譯...我看不懂是要怎麼崩潰= =?
05/05 19:02, 370F

05/05 21:57, , 371F
活塞跟尼克對JORDAN的犯規在現今根本全都是惡意犯規
05/05 21:57, 371F
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