Fw: Trading ace Hernandez would benefit M’s

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※ [本文轉錄自 MLB 看板 #1E-_psZ_ ] 作者: abc12812 () 看板: MLB 標題: Trading ace Hernandez would benefit M’s 時間: Thu Dec 29 13:38:59 2011 http://tinyurl.com/7eyk5xp Jack Zduriencik knew why I had called before I even asked a question. Depending upon your perspective, it’s either good or bad that Jack Z is reading my mind. I say good, because Jack Z is always pleasant about it, and maybe he and I can one day take our act on the road. “Trade Felix,” I say. “No,” Jack Z replies. Now before Mariners fans get all upset with me again for suggesting to their GM that he trade right-hander Felix Hernandez, allow me to cite two recent developments: ‧ The Padres’ boffo return for right-hander Mat Latos, a pitcher who isn’t nearly as good as Hernandez (who is?). ‧ The Athletics’ strong return for left-hander Gio Gonzalez, another pitcher who isn’t nearly as good as Hernandez. ‧ The stunning offseason additions of the Rangers and Angels, who no longer are simply the best teams in the AL West, but perhaps the best in the American League. The Mariners, even if they somehow sign free-agent first baseman Prince Fielder, aren’t going to make the playoffs next season, and probably wouldn’ t qualify in 2013, either. I understand the fan opposition to trading Hernandez, but the goal is not to destroy the M’s, it’s to make them better. The Yankees, as I wrote in March, are a logical trade partner, deep in young talent and strong enough financially to absorb the $58 million left on the final three years of Hernandez’s contract. For King Felix, other teams would jump, too. Zduriencik, though, says that he doesn’t want to hear it, that his plan is to keep Hernandez and make him the anchor for the team’s emerging rotation. I get that — the Mariners’ young starting pitchers, if everything breaks right, might rank among the best in the game in two or three years. But here’s the problem: Hernandez, 25, is under contract only through 2014. And if the Mariners don’ t turn it around during that time, he will not stay in Seattle out of the goodness of his heart. He’ll be gone. As Yankees GM Brian Cashman advised reporters last season when judging A.J. Burnett, it’s time for the Mariners to “smoke the objective pipe.” As the Rays have shown in the AL East, the only way to compete with high-revenue behemoths is to assemble a large number of high-end young players and have them hit at once. That was the Padres’ motivation for trading Latos, the Royals’ motivation for trading Zack Greinke. Granted, Hernandez is at a different level. Granted, the M’s can support much higher payrolls. But why not commit fully to rebuilding? OK, Jack, your turn: “I still say, as I’ve said all along, we’ve still got the best young pitcher in the game, and that’s pretty darned good,” Zduriencik said, referring to Hernandez. “One thing we have here — what we’re really excited about — is young pitching. You take Felix and (Michael) Pineda. We think James Paxton is going to be really good. We’ll give him a chance in spring training. Same with (Danny) Hultzen. We’ve got a young kid, Taijuan Walker, who might be the best of them all. Erasmo Ramirez . . . “We’re a year or less from having some of these really good arms sitting on our ballclub. It’s kind of what we’re hanging our hats on right now. All of us are excited about what’s going to happen in the next year or two.” And Jack, I’d be right there with you, if only the Mariners could hit. The M’s last season scored 556 runs, ranking last in the majors for the second straight year. The Padres — playing in cavernous Petco Park, without the benefit of a DH, in their first season without Adrian Gonzalez — scored 593. Even if the Mariners could get Fielder — and I’m highly skeptical that he would choose them over a team with a more realistic chance of contending soon — how much of a difference would he actually make? The M’s seem to believe that the effect would be exponential, that they would get not just Fielder’s 120 RBI, but benefit from his ripple effect throughout the lineup. Fielder would absorb the middle-of-the-order pressure. Younger hitters such as Mike Carp, Justin Smoak and Kyle Seager would be free to be themselves. Makes sense in theory, but Fielder might walk 200 times in such a lineup. Opponents would have little incentive to pitch to him, preferring to attack younger hitters instead. More to the point, what happens if the M’s don’t get Fielder? Catcher John Jaso currently stands as their big addition. And it’s too late in the offseason for them to make other moves of consequence. No, better to go the other way. Not all of the Mariners’ young pitchers and hitters are going to develop in the way that club officials anticipate. The more prospects a team collects, the greater the chances that it will succeed. Zduriencik had the right idea last summer, sacrificing wins to acquire a strong return for right-hander Doug Fister and a lesser one for lefty Erik Bedard. Now Jack Z should go to the Yankees and demand essentially the same package I suggested last March — catcher Jesus Montero, infielder Eduardo Nunez and right-hander Ivan Nova plus righty Dellin Betances or lefty Manny Banuelos. Maybe the Yankees wouldn’t budge on Nova, who went 16-4 with a 3.70 ERA last season. Fine, tell them to include two different youngsters, make it a 5-for-1. For King Felix, the Yankees would part waters, move mountains and — surprise! — blow past the dreaded luxury-tax threshold yet again. Jack? “You get people who will throw it out there: ‘Don’t forget, if you ever want to do something (with Hernandez), let me know,’” Zduriencik said, without mentioning the Yankees specifically. “It’s more of an inquiry than anything else . . . People are courteous. They understand where we stand. We’ve been pretty strong on our desire to keep him here.” I know, Jack, I know. We’ll talk again soon. --- 不過水手部落格(USS Mariner/Prospect Insider) 普遍的看法好像是比較想用Pineda當交易籌碼就是了 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.25.133

12/29 13:40, , 1F
又要釣魚了
12/29 13:40, 1F

12/29 13:41, , 2F
賣出去 等一朗退休 水手還要賣誰的臉
12/29 13:41, 2F

12/29 13:43, , 3F
Ackley:
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12/29 13:44, , 4F
可以學隔壁的運動家養族譜,反正目前看來KING到這個合約結
12/29 13:44, 4F

12/29 13:46, , 5F
束前,沒有機會進季後賽,等真的合約結束,應該也會想進FA
12/29 13:46, 5F

12/29 13:48, , 6F
又來了 zzzz........
12/29 13:48, 6F

12/29 13:58, , 7F
Felix明年開始可就不便宜了,我不覺得交易是很離譜的想法
12/29 13:58, 7F

12/29 14:00, , 8F
trade King Felix... you think too much.....
12/29 14:00, 8F

12/29 14:05, , 9F
那不是一般的不便宜...所以交易困難度很高...
12/29 14:05, 9F

12/29 14:09, , 10F
現今人不衝一下嗎?雖然這必定會把Montero交易出去
12/29 14:09, 10F

12/29 14:09, , 11F
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12/29 14:16, , 12F
借轉水兵版
12/29 14:16, 12F
※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ※ 轉錄者: mika0120 (111.242.7.172), 時間: 12/29/2011 14:16:33

12/29 14:16, , 13F
好久沒消息了
12/29 14:16, 13F

12/29 14:31, , 14F
恩...
12/29 14:31, 14F

12/29 16:15, , 15F
Ken Rosenthal也算是有名的交易名嘴了, 聽聽就好, 不然
12/29 16:15, 15F

12/29 16:16, , 16F
也蠻閒的(  ̄ c ̄)y▂ξ
12/29 16:16, 16F

12/29 16:52, , 17F
真的無聲無息...難道說沒有消息就是最好的消息...?
12/29 16:52, 17F

12/29 22:44, , 18F
在重兵環伺的情況下,本來就一動不如一靜。我們的狀況不是
12/29 22:44, 18F

12/29 22:45, , 19F
簽一兩個FA或做一兩個交易就可以變成能進季後賽。這時要是
12/29 22:45, 19F

12/29 22:46, , 20F
病急亂投醫,兩年後回過來看一定會後悔。豬頭B教我們的事
12/29 22:46, 20F

12/29 22:46, , 21F
情還不夠多嗎?
12/29 22:46, 21F

12/29 23:34, , 22F
確實豬頭B的餘毒傷害至深~不過現階段什麼也不做,好像也
12/29 23:34, 22F

12/29 23:35, , 23F
不太對呀>"< 雖然不敢奢望能進季後賽 但至少要有曙光QQ
12/29 23:35, 23F

12/30 01:49, , 24F
在條子跟猴子瘋狂砸錢的情況下 這兩年水兵的確不要亂動
12/30 01:49, 24F

12/30 01:49, , 25F
比較好...
12/30 01:49, 25F

12/30 01:50, , 26F
現在最重要的應該是把小王吃下來等農場打者長上來
12/30 01:50, 26F

12/30 02:13, , 27F
12/30 02:13, 27F

12/30 09:06, , 28F
小王子不吃三年約,長約不好談
12/30 09:06, 28F

12/30 10:55, , 29F
我的感覺剛好相反, 小王子願意來的話, 6~7年的長約我們
12/30 10:55, 29F

12/30 10:56, , 30F
說真的也不是付不起(聽說二老闆有財務危機? 喔, 這個還
12/30 10:56, 30F

12/30 10:56, , 31F
好啦, 如果Larson真想脫手他的股份, 有個叫Paul Allen的
12/30 10:56, 31F

12/30 10:57, , 32F
傢伙聽說已經看我們家看很久了(  ̄ c ̄)y▂ξ), 我反而
12/30 10:57, 32F

12/30 10:58, , 33F
比較擔心$先生抓著短約這優勢給你開個啥80~90M/3這種鬼
12/30 10:58, 33F

12/30 10:58, , 34F
出來.....不過最新外電是$先生不會要短約, 應該會好辦點
12/30 10:58, 34F

12/30 12:43, , 35F
M$不出手 給Paul Allen也可以XD
12/30 12:43, 35F

12/30 12:50, , 36F
Paul Allen 是拓荒者的那個老闆嗎?
12/30 12:50, 36F

12/30 13:59, , 37F
對啊, 話說這個錢多到花不完的老兄幾乎包辦整個西北地區
12/30 13:59, 37F

12/30 14:00, , 38F
的職業運動(阿拓啦, 海鷹啦, 還有足球), 想當然爾會對我
12/30 14:00, 38F

12/30 14:00, , 39F
們家有興趣也不是怪事. 不過昨天和網友聊天有說到, 如果
12/30 14:00, 39F

12/30 14:01, , 40F
他真變我們老闆我看西雅圖最好先辦個大拜拜, 阿拓這幾年
12/30 14:01, 40F

12/30 14:02, , 41F
算是衰到極點了(咦? 我們家也是? 那根本是絕配啊XD)
12/30 14:02, 41F

12/30 18:02, , 42F
阿拓的C沒一個健康的 - - 所以會負負得正? XD
12/30 18:02, 42F
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