Trading ace Hernandez would benefit M’s

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http://tinyurl.com/7eyk5xp Jack Zduriencik knew why I had called before I even asked a question. Depending upon your perspective, it’s either good or bad that Jack Z is reading my mind. I say good, because Jack Z is always pleasant about it, and maybe he and I can one day take our act on the road. “Trade Felix,” I say. “No,” Jack Z replies. Now before Mariners fans get all upset with me again for suggesting to their GM that he trade right-hander Felix Hernandez, allow me to cite two recent developments: ‧ The Padres’ boffo return for right-hander Mat Latos, a pitcher who isn’t nearly as good as Hernandez (who is?). ‧ The Athletics’ strong return for left-hander Gio Gonzalez, another pitcher who isn’t nearly as good as Hernandez. ‧ The stunning offseason additions of the Rangers and Angels, who no longer are simply the best teams in the AL West, but perhaps the best in the American League. The Mariners, even if they somehow sign free-agent first baseman Prince Fielder, aren’t going to make the playoffs next season, and probably wouldn’ t qualify in 2013, either. I understand the fan opposition to trading Hernandez, but the goal is not to destroy the M’s, it’s to make them better. The Yankees, as I wrote in March, are a logical trade partner, deep in young talent and strong enough financially to absorb the $58 million left on the final three years of Hernandez’s contract. For King Felix, other teams would jump, too. Zduriencik, though, says that he doesn’t want to hear it, that his plan is to keep Hernandez and make him the anchor for the team’s emerging rotation. I get that — the Mariners’ young starting pitchers, if everything breaks right, might rank among the best in the game in two or three years. But here’s the problem: Hernandez, 25, is under contract only through 2014. And if the Mariners don’ t turn it around during that time, he will not stay in Seattle out of the goodness of his heart. He’ll be gone. As Yankees GM Brian Cashman advised reporters last season when judging A.J. Burnett, it’s time for the Mariners to “smoke the objective pipe.” As the Rays have shown in the AL East, the only way to compete with high-revenue behemoths is to assemble a large number of high-end young players and have them hit at once. That was the Padres’ motivation for trading Latos, the Royals’ motivation for trading Zack Greinke. Granted, Hernandez is at a different level. Granted, the M’s can support much higher payrolls. But why not commit fully to rebuilding? OK, Jack, your turn: “I still say, as I’ve said all along, we’ve still got the best young pitcher in the game, and that’s pretty darned good,” Zduriencik said, referring to Hernandez. “One thing we have here — what we’re really excited about — is young pitching. You take Felix and (Michael) Pineda. We think James Paxton is going to be really good. We’ll give him a chance in spring training. Same with (Danny) Hultzen. We’ve got a young kid, Taijuan Walker, who might be the best of them all. Erasmo Ramirez . . . “We’re a year or less from having some of these really good arms sitting on our ballclub. It’s kind of what we’re hanging our hats on right now. All of us are excited about what’s going to happen in the next year or two.” And Jack, I’d be right there with you, if only the Mariners could hit. The M’s last season scored 556 runs, ranking last in the majors for the second straight year. The Padres — playing in cavernous Petco Park, without the benefit of a DH, in their first season without Adrian Gonzalez — scored 593. Even if the Mariners could get Fielder — and I’m highly skeptical that he would choose them over a team with a more realistic chance of contending soon — how much of a difference would he actually make? The M’s seem to believe that the effect would be exponential, that they would get not just Fielder’s 120 RBI, but benefit from his ripple effect throughout the lineup. Fielder would absorb the middle-of-the-order pressure. Younger hitters such as Mike Carp, Justin Smoak and Kyle Seager would be free to be themselves. Makes sense in theory, but Fielder might walk 200 times in such a lineup. Opponents would have little incentive to pitch to him, preferring to attack younger hitters instead. More to the point, what happens if the M’s don’t get Fielder? Catcher John Jaso currently stands as their big addition. And it’s too late in the offseason for them to make other moves of consequence. No, better to go the other way. Not all of the Mariners’ young pitchers and hitters are going to develop in the way that club officials anticipate. The more prospects a team collects, the greater the chances that it will succeed. Zduriencik had the right idea last summer, sacrificing wins to acquire a strong return for right-hander Doug Fister and a lesser one for lefty Erik Bedard. Now Jack Z should go to the Yankees and demand essentially the same package I suggested last March — catcher Jesus Montero, infielder Eduardo Nunez and right-hander Ivan Nova plus righty Dellin Betances or lefty Manny Banuelos. Maybe the Yankees wouldn’t budge on Nova, who went 16-4 with a 3.70 ERA last season. Fine, tell them to include two different youngsters, make it a 5-for-1. For King Felix, the Yankees would part waters, move mountains and — surprise! — blow past the dreaded luxury-tax threshold yet again. Jack? “You get people who will throw it out there: ‘Don’t forget, if you ever want to do something (with Hernandez), let me know,’” Zduriencik said, without mentioning the Yankees specifically. “It’s more of an inquiry than anything else . . . People are courteous. They understand where we stand. We’ve been pretty strong on our desire to keep him here.” I know, Jack, I know. We’ll talk again soon. --- 不過水手部落格(USS Mariner/Prospect Insider) 普遍的看法好像是比較想用Pineda當交易籌碼就是了 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.25.133

12/29 13:40, , 1F
又要釣魚了
12/29 13:40, 1F

12/29 13:41, , 2F
賣出去 等一朗退休 水手還要賣誰的臉
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12/29 13:43, , 3F
Ackley:
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12/29 13:44, , 4F
可以學隔壁的運動家養族譜,反正目前看來KING到這個合約結
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12/29 13:46, , 5F
束前,沒有機會進季後賽,等真的合約結束,應該也會想進FA
12/29 13:46, 5F

12/29 13:48, , 6F
又來了 zzzz........
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12/29 13:58, , 7F
Felix明年開始可就不便宜了,我不覺得交易是很離譜的想法
12/29 13:58, 7F

12/29 14:00, , 8F
trade King Felix... you think too much.....
12/29 14:00, 8F

12/29 14:05, , 9F
那不是一般的不便宜...所以交易困難度很高...
12/29 14:05, 9F

12/29 14:09, , 10F
現今人不衝一下嗎?雖然這必定會把Montero交易出去
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12/29 14:09, , 11F
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12/29 14:16, , 12F
借轉水兵版
12/29 14:16, 12F
mika0120:轉錄至看板 Mariners 12/29 14:16

12/29 14:21, , 13F
除了現金人,沒人會買了...他等很久了
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12/29 14:25, , 14F
Ptt法則一:任何人想交易King都是搶劫
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12/29 14:30, , 15F
ptt法則二:球迷的交易文永遠不是搶劫,都是為了別隊好
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12/29 14:32, , 16F
衝去被掛電話
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12/29 14:33, , 17F
yy
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12/29 14:35, , 18F
怒掛一通。
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12/29 14:44, , 19F
果然有人要上鉤了
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12/29 14:50, , 20F
不易外
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12/29 14:53, , 21F
都不要賣啊 就繼續陪打吧
12/29 14:53, 21F

12/29 14:53, , 22F
洋基要交易到~可能要把農場通通給水兵!
12/29 14:53, 22F

12/29 15:01, , 23F
如果剩下的薪水要洋基通吃,也不見得農場就會被清光光
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12/29 15:02, , 24F
水兵到底要重建幾年
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12/29 15:18, , 25F
如果說簽小王子都沒救,那賣了不是一樣在陪打?
12/29 15:18, 25F

12/29 15:24, , 26F
今年第二次 XD
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12/29 15:27, , 27F
剩下的薪水是說水兵整隊剩下的薪水嗎
12/29 15:27, 27F

12/29 16:23, , 28F
King Felix 12:$18.5M, 13:$19.5M, 14:$20M
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12/29 17:25, , 29F
以他的身手和年紀20M還OK吧?
12/29 17:25, 29F

12/29 17:25, , 30F
確實有點肥的約,當然他值得
12/29 17:25, 30F

12/29 17:26, , 31F
但當你花20M養ACE球隊卻年年無緣季後賽時就有點浪費
12/29 17:26, 31F

12/29 17:26, , 32F
還是看水手自己評估重建進度如何,如果覺得快好了
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12/29 17:27, , 33F
就不要交易了,若體質還是差那交易似乎聰明點
12/29 17:27, 33F

12/29 17:40, , 34F
其實NYY今年還沒出手是因為在等King?Orz
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12/29 17:49, , 35F
天使條子今年玩這麼大 可能還要等等
12/29 17:49, 35F

12/29 17:56, , 36F
如果約到隻錢沒辦法形成戰力 不如趁有價來搶劫
12/29 17:56, 36F

12/29 17:57, , 37F
如果能搶到NYY的強打+雙B 整個就大賺阿
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12/29 17:59, , 38F
水手需要的是道長 不是KING啊 XD
12/29 17:59, 38F

12/29 18:14, , 39F
還不到一個月,又來釣了
12/29 18:14, 39F

12/29 18:19, , 40F
是說某人被劣文所以也不能發問了XD
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12/29 18:20, , 41F
當你想要dump20M的約,而市場上大概只有洋基能吃的下時
12/29 18:20, 41F

12/29 18:21, , 42F
你要如何大賺?
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12/29 18:26, , 43F
拿Latos和Gio Gonzales來比根本天差地遠...
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12/29 19:01, , 44F
latos跟gio的等級的確不能跟king比 但薪水也是
12/29 19:01, 44F

12/29 20:55, , 45F
az大在說笑吧 整個農場給水手 還是有人會說洋基搶劫
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12/29 20:56, , 46F
等下被砲就不好了 還是不要說水兵大賺這種話
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12/29 21:26, , 47F
現金人準備好了
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12/29 22:31, , 48F
媒體崩潰完 換別人崩潰就對了= =
12/29 22:31, 48F

12/30 01:26, , 49F
A-ROD <=> King
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12/30 01:27, , 50F
上面那個換不到
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12/30 01:33, , 51F
把AROD換回來是想看西雅圖人噓暴自家選手嘛?
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12/30 10:58, , 52F
標準自爽文
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01/01 15:09, , 53F
大家人真好
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