[討論] 卡恩大神 無所不能

看板Magic作者 (霧丸)時間14年前 (2011/04/26 14:27), 編輯推噓17(17041)
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http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/140 以上是卡恩的介紹原文,雖然他的異能早就曝光了, 不過「重新開始遊戲」這麼恐怖的能力,當然值得特別在FAQ中說清楚 以下順手翻譯FAQ的部分 * Karn's first and third abilities are linked. Similarly, Karn's second and third abilities are linked. Only cards exiled by either of Karn's first two abilities will remain in exile when the game restarts. 卡恩的第一和第三異能,以及第二和第三異能為連結性異能。 第三異能會保留的牌,只有以第一和第二異能移出遊戲者。 即使卡恩獲得了能夠放逐牌的其他異能,以其他方法放逐的牌仍然不會保留下來。 * A game that restarts immediately ends. The players in that game then immediately begin a new game. No player wins, loses, or draws the original game as a result of Karn's ability. 重新開始遊戲時,原本的那一場遊戲會立刻結束, 該遊戲沒有任何玩家會獲勝、敗北、或平手,然後立刻重新開始。 * In a multiplayer game (a game that started with three or more players in it), any player that left the game before it was restarted with Karn's ability won't be involved in the new game. 在多人遊戲中,若卡恩將遊戲重新開始, 則在遊戲重新開始之前已經離開遊戲的玩家,並不會參與新的遊戲。 * The player who controlled the ability that restarted the game is the starting player in the new game. The new game starts like a game normally does: -- Each player shuffles his or her deck (except the cards left in exile by Karn's ability). -- Each player's life total becomes 20 (or the starting life total for whatever format you're playing). -- Players draw a hand of seven cards. Players may take mulligans. -- Players may take actions based on cards in their opening hands, such as Chancellors and Leylines. 操控卡恩第三異能的玩家,就是新遊戲的先手玩家。 (能放永久物進場還先手...卡恩你可以再兇狠一點) 新的遊戲將照正常的規定重新開始: -- 每位玩家重洗他的套牌,除了被卡恩的異能放逐的牌。 -- 每位玩家的總生命成為20。 (或你所進行的賽制所規定的數值) -- 每位玩家抽七張牌。 (或你所進行的賽制所規定的數值。) 玩家可以進行再調度。 -- 每位玩家因其新的起手牌張而採取行動,例如大主教或地脈等牌。 * After the pre-game procedure is complete, but before the new game's first turn, Karn's ability finishes resolving and the cards left in exile are put onto the battlefield. If this causes any triggered abilities to trigger, those abilities are put onto the stack at the beginning of the first upkeep step. 卡恩的第三異能將在前一個遊戲結束後,新一個遊戲的第一回合開始之前結算完畢。 所有原本留在放逐區的牌,將在卡恩異能的操控者之操控下放進戰場。 若此動作觸發了任何觸發式效應,這些效應會在遊戲的第一個維持開始時被放入堆疊。 * Creatures put onto the battlefield due to Karn's ability will have been under their controller's control continuously since the beginning of the first turn. They can attack and their activated abilities with {T} in the cost can be activated. 被卡恩的第三異能放進戰場的生物,自遊戲的第一個回合開始時即被其操控者操控。 因此它們不受招喚失調的影響,可以進行攻擊或使用包含橫置符號的異能。 * Any permanents put onto the battlefield with Karn's ability that entered the battlefield tapped will untap during their controller's first untap step. 被卡恩的第三異能放進戰場的永久物,若需橫置進場,則須橫置進場。 然後在其操控者的第一個重置階段中,他們又會被重置了。 (卡恩:打我啊笨蛋~~) * No actions taken in the game that was restarted apply to the new game. For example, if you were dealt damage by Stigma Lasher in the original game, the effect that states you can't gain life doesn't carry over to the new game. 原本遊戲對玩家造成的任何影響都不會留下。 例如,被劃疵鞭手傷害的玩家,在新的遊戲中仍然可以獲得生命。 * Players won't have any poison counters or emblems they had in the original game. 玩家不會具有在原本遊戲中留下的任何中毒指示物或是印記。 * In a Commander game, players put their commanders into the command zone before shuffling their deck. 在指揮官遊戲中,玩家在洗他的牌庫之前,會將其指揮官放置到指揮官區。 * The number of times a player has cast his or her commander from the command zone resets to zero. Also, the amount of combat damage dealt to players by each commander is reset to 0. 在指揮官遊戲中,玩家從指揮官區施放他的指揮官的次數, 以及玩家被指揮官造成的傷害量,都會歸零。 * If a player's commander was exiled with Karn as the game restarted, that commander won't be put into the command zone at the beginning of the game. It will be put onto the battlefield when Karn's ability finishes resolving. 在指揮官遊戲中,若某指揮官被卡恩放逐至放逐區, 該指揮官不會被放回指揮官區,而會被卡恩的異能放進戰場。 (當然,當你的指揮官被對手的卡恩放逐時,不管是從手上或場上, 你都可以先行選擇將指揮官移到指揮官區,以避開這個近乎羞辱的悲慘未來。) * In a multiplayer game using the limited range of influence option, all players are affected and will restart the game, not just those within the range of influence of the ability's controller. 如果皇帝戰之類的多人遊戲具有咒語或異能的影響範圍, 則卡恩的異能仍然會影響所有玩家,而不只是在影響範圍內的玩家。 簡單講一下最有可能的情況:卡恩放逐了某張泰坦,然後重開遊戲。 該泰坦會被放置進場,在新遊戲第一個回合的維持步驟結算它的進場異能, 然後在該回合的戰鬥階段進行攻擊,並觸發及結算他的攻擊異能!! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 139.175.68.252

04/26 14:34, , 1F
因為非卡恩原因被流放的牌,在重新開始時可以洗回牌庫嗎?
04/26 14:34, 1F

04/26 14:36, , 2F
除了被卡恩前兩個異能親手放逐的牌以外 都會洗回去
04/26 14:36, 2F

04/26 14:36, , 3F
如果卡恩被移回手上 之前移除的牌也是同樣可以移回嗎?
04/26 14:36, 3F

04/26 14:37, , 4F
遊戲重開前會先結束 結束的意思就是「打完了 收牌啦」
04/26 14:37, 4F

04/26 14:37, , 5F
假如後來在下來的卡恩撐到可以放大決的話..
04/26 14:37, 5F

04/26 14:37, , 6F
注意用詞可以發現 他是說洗「套牌」而不是洗「牌庫」
04/26 14:37, 6F

04/26 14:38, , 7F
所以除了卡恩欽點的永久物外 其他所有的牌都會洗回去
04/26 14:38, 7F

04/26 14:38, , 8F
卡恩二世只會記得他在位時放逐的牌 前一個卡恩跟他無關
04/26 14:38, 8F

04/26 14:39, , 9F
所以之前放逐的牌會正常收回套牌重洗
04/26 14:39, 9F

04/26 14:45, , 10F
連印記都洗的掉!!!!太誇張了!!!
04/26 14:45, 10F

04/26 14:47, , 11F
開完大決之後 卡恩還站在那邊嗎??
04/26 14:47, 11F

04/26 14:47, , 12F
這啥鬼....可以在對方空無一物時就直接扁過去喔....
04/26 14:47, 12F

04/26 14:48, , 13F
只要放逐的東西夠扁一次20點或中毒10點就直接贏了
04/26 14:48, 13F

04/26 14:50, , 14F
沒有寫,不過感覺上新遊戲先手玩家第一回合可以抽牌
04/26 14:50, 14F

04/26 14:50, , 15F
卡恩不可能移掉自己還開大絕 所以一定會洗回牌庫
04/26 14:50, 15F

04/26 14:50, , 16F
但卡恩只要移掉兩張地就幾乎必勝了 更不用說泰坦
04/26 14:50, 16F

04/26 14:52, , 17F
先手我覺得應該不能抽 如果完全沒有註明的話
04/26 14:52, 17F

04/26 14:56, , 18F
103.7.說只要是兩人賽或雙頭賽的先手玩家就要跳過抽牌
04/26 14:56, 18F

04/26 15:03, , 19F
好威阿..果然跟凡瑟兩個人是好朋友..
04/26 15:03, 19F

04/26 15:08, , 20F
兩人和體可以上演"你的車被拖走了"的戲碼...
04/26 15:08, 20F

04/26 16:01, , 21F
早說卡恩很強了XD
04/26 16:01, 21F

04/26 17:06, , 22F
強跟有辦法上八強套牌是兩回事
04/26 17:06, 22F

04/26 17:07, , 23F
到時候不要哭本體老是被打爆,卡恩老被康還被體內野獸...
04/26 17:07, 23F

04/26 18:20, , 24F
卡恩本體會被「打」爆的話絕對是套牌構築者的責任
04/26 18:20, 24F

04/26 18:21, , 25F
當然體內野獸或是鄙視這種事情就只能說是大環境不佳了
04/26 18:21, 25F

04/26 18:44, , 26F
感覺拿來拖時間非常好用O,O 能不能搶下第一勝之後用這拖
04/26 18:44, 26F

04/26 20:04, , 27F
可以期待一局進行九次了嗎?突然想到卡恩能不能放逐對方的
04/26 20:04, 27F

04/26 20:04, , 28F
卡恩?
04/26 20:04, 28F

04/26 20:10, , 29F
卡恩不能兩隻在場 不過可以放逐自己或對方手牌中的卡恩
04/26 20:10, 29F

04/26 20:11, , 30F
當然旅法師卡恩和銀魔像卡恩是可以同時出場的
04/26 20:11, 30F

04/26 20:45, , 31F
除了第一回合就可以攻擊外,其它都是預料中的事情。
04/26 20:45, 31F

04/26 20:46, , 32F
我猜第三個異能主要是拿來解中毒的吧,三回合清全部中毒
04/26 20:46, 32F

04/26 20:46, , 33F
等於是控制在瀕死的重新機會。
04/26 20:46, 33F

04/26 20:47, , 34F
目前的侵染套牌基本上都要能後在兩次進攻以內終結對手
04/26 20:47, 34F

04/26 20:48, , 35F
卡恩要解毒應該是緩不濟急 除非是慢速增殖的毒法
04/26 20:48, 35F

04/26 21:25, , 36F
那如果是梅洛古的鏡子呢? 旅法師能夠同時出場嗎?
04/26 21:25, 36F

04/26 21:55, , 37F
旅法師不是傳奇 梅洛古也根本不認識旅法師是什麼東西
04/26 21:55, 37F

04/26 21:56, , 38F
旅法師會互爆的規則稱為「旅法師規則」 非「傳奇規則」
04/26 21:56, 38F

04/26 21:57, , 39F
另外傳奇是同名互爆 旅法師只要同副類別就會互爆
04/26 21:57, 39F
※ 編輯: kirimaru73 來自: 1.161.211.157 (04/27 00:11)

04/27 01:10, , 40F
本體老是被打爆是快攻問題,卡恩老被康同型
04/27 01:10, 40F

04/27 01:10, , 41F
體內野獸混綠限定
04/27 01:10, 41F

04/27 02:49, , 42F
為什麼被康就是同型..
04/27 02:49, 42F

04/27 06:42, , 43F
應該是說至少有混藍不然怎麼康你
04/27 06:42, 43F

04/27 06:57, , 44F
早安~~ 樓上你不是在說廢話嗎@@ 你想表達什麼?
04/27 06:57, 44F

04/27 13:07, , 45F
瞭解 感謝kirimaru73解答@@
04/27 13:07, 45F

04/27 13:11, , 46F
誰說混藍就不能打快?紅藍升天一樣有混藍,反擊裂片妖也是
04/27 13:11, 46F

04/27 13:11, , 47F
混藍,私認為j330板友的最大問題是以偏概全...
04/27 13:11, 47F

04/27 19:24, , 48F
我想到以前的藍色飛天小快攻~~
04/27 19:24, 48F

04/27 21:47, , 49F
藍色飛天小快攻我也很懷念飛行藍快攻,可放沖刷殆盡
04/27 21:47, 49F

04/27 21:48, , 50F
那時還搞笑放了奢豪精靈,應該很少人記得那是什麼XD
04/27 21:48, 50F

04/27 21:50, , 51F
奢豪精靈還好 契約巨靈才是男人的浪漫
04/27 21:50, 51F

04/27 23:45, , 52F
如果 已經進入倒數五回合 卡恩發動 怎算呢
04/27 23:45, 52F

04/28 06:37, , 53F
沒記錯照算, 下一回合是你使用卡恩能力獲得的先攻回合
04/28 06:37, 53F

04/28 06:39, , 54F
如果是最後一回合使用卡恩能力應該會變draw
04/28 06:39, 54F

04/28 07:40, , 55F
契約巨靈副作用有夠大XD,難怪當時我不敢放
04/28 07:40, 55F

05/02 00:46, , 56F
那一隻鳥.......
05/02 00:46, 56F

05/02 13:15, , 57F
推 kirimaru73:奢豪精靈還好 契約巨靈才是男人的浪漫
05/02 13:15, 57F

05/02 13:16, , 58F
話說之前我有完過整副DECK生物只放契約精靈說~XDDD
05/02 13:16, 58F
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