[外電] Baker:我求聯盟在新球季保護太空人

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Dusty Baker urges MLB to protect Astros from beanballs, retaliation Jeff Passan, ESPN 12:36 AM CT WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Houston manager Dusty Baker urged Major League Baseball to help protect his players from potential retaliation and to discipline opponents who hit Astros players with pitches because they're angry at the organization for the widespread cheating during their championship-winning 2017 season. 火越燒越大，貝克忍不住了，直接公開請求聯盟保護太空人球員免於被故意報復。 "I'm depending on the league to try to put a stop to this seemingly premeditated retaliation that I'm hearing about," Baker said Saturday morning. "And in most instances in life, you get kind of reprimanded when you have premeditated anything. I'm just hoping that the league puts a stop to this before somebody gets hurt." 「我現在只能寄望聯盟對這些我聽聞的看似已有預謀的報復踩剎車了， 在真實人生中如果你在預謀什麼不好的事被知道了也會被大聲斥責， 我只希望聯盟在這些孩子們受傷之前做做事。」 The deluge of criticism toward the Astros did not abate Saturday, with Chicago Cubs star Kris Bryant calling the organization "a disgrace" and not buying into the team's apology. 隨著各隊紛紛報到開訓，全民嘴爆浪潮一點都沒有緩和的跡象， 今天小熊老大是最新加入的大咖，他說這隊簡直是耳心而且同樣不接受道歉。 "There's no sincerity. There's no genuineness when it comes to it," Bryant said about the Astros. "I know that if I messed up big in that way, I'd be the first one to let you know just how big of a mess up it was. It's hard to believe. It really is. It's sad." 「一點誠意都沒有，完全看不出誠心，」老大補充： 「我只知道如果我亂搞成這樣然後走到這步我會第一個想讓眾人知道到底亂搞到什麼程度 真是太不可置信了，真難過」 It comes a day after reigning National League MVP Cody Bellinger said the Astros "stole" the 2017 championship from the Los Angeles Dodgers and second baseman Jose Altuve "stole" the American League MVP from New York Yankees outfielder Aaron Judge in 2017. Cincinnati Reds starter Trevor Bauer went on an eight-minute harangue of the Astros, saying: "I'm not going to let them forget the fact that they are hypocrites, they are cheaters." Asked whether he would consider throwing at Astros batters, Dodgers pitcher Ross Stripling told reporters: "I would lean toward yes. In the right time and the right place." Stripling's comments echoed the sentiments of Cleveland Indians starter Mike Clevinger, who two weeks ago said: "I think players will deal with it the way it should be across the league. I don't think it's going to be a comfortable few ABs for a lot of those boys, and it shouldn't be. They shouldn't be comfortable." 笑臉王牌柯雷文哲兩週前的發言現在倒是被提起的不多，再提一次： 「我認為全聯盟的球員們都會用『該有的型態』來處理(太空人)， 他們這些打者們不會有幾個舒服的打席的，也不應該有，他們不應該過太舒服。」 Dodgers pitcher Alex Wood balked at the idea that Astros players were not disciplined for the sign-stealing scandal -- they traded honest testimony in interviews with MLB for immunity from punishment -- but others could be disciplined for throwing at them. When MLB determines the intent of a pitch is to hit a player, it typically levies a suspension for between three and five games. "Somebody will take it into their own hands, and they'll get suspended more games than any of those guys got for the biggest cheating scandal in 100 years," Wood said. "It'll be pretty ironic when that happens, because I'm sure that's how it'll end up playing out." 道奇被臨檢、Stripling、Alex Wood先前嘴爆內容，中英文消息都已有很多不贅述。 (聯盟認為你是故意砸人的話，依現行規定通常會被禁3-5場) Altuve, who a spokesman said was not at the Astros' complex Saturday, was not available for comment. Through the spokesman, outfielder George Springer and shortstop Carlos Correa declined to comment. Starter Justin Verlander was the lone member of the 2017 Astros to speak Saturday. HOU發言人說阿土伯今天不在隊上，(關於可能被故意砸一事)無法評論， 春天哥和柯瑞亞則是拒絕評論，只有V又講了幾句。 "The game has changed," Verlander said. "I think the commissioner has made it very clear in the past few seasons that throwing a baseball at somebody isn't an appropriate form of retaliation in the game anymore. The problem is knowing if it's on purpose or not. But I guess when you come out and say I'm going to do it on purpose, you know." 「現在時代已經不同了，」V說： 「過去幾季高層們已經表達得非常清楚用故意丟人來報復是很不適當的， 問題在於怎麼判定是不是故意的，但我想當你都已經跑出來大聲說你要故意的時候， 那就是了。」 Players across baseball have denigrated the Astros since reporting to spring training -- particularly following an ill-received apology Thursday during which owner Jim Crane suggested the cheating scheme "didn't impact the game" and consistently deferred to commissioner Rob Manfred's report to defend his lack of accountability. "I thought the apologies were whatever," Bellinger said. "I thought Jim Crane's was weak. I thought Manfred's punishment was weak, giving 'em immunity. I mean, these guys were cheating for three years. I think what people don't realize is Altuve stole an MVP from Judge in '17. Everyone knows they stole the ring from us. "I know personally I lost respect for those guys. I think I would say everyone in The Show, in the big leagues, lost respect for those guys." 同上，被臨檢的怒吼。 Added Bryant: "I'm pretty sure it was going [on] in 2018 and 2019, too. If they didn't get caught, they'd still be doing it. And they're only doing this apology because they got caught. Everyone around the league is upset and rightfully so, because it's really a disgrace to the game." 熊熊老大說：「我很確定2018和19一定還是有做啦，當你做了又沒人來抓， 你當然還會繼續做。他們現在道歉只是因為他們被抓到了， 聯盟裡每個人都很不爽並且很有正當理由不爽，這對比賽本身真是個恥辱。」 The only way to regain the respect, Verlander said, is to win this season. "It'll be like walking into a visiting stadium in the playoffs every time we go anywhere," he said. "At least we've experienced that before. You hope it'll die down eventually. I don't know if it will or not." 最後V說，唯一一個贏回尊重的方法大概是本季也贏下去了。 「我們整年每到一個客場那裡都會像季後賽氣氛一樣迎接我們， 至少我們以前有類似經驗了，你當然希望這氣氛終有一天會平息， 我只是不知道會或不會。」 ------- 回顧前面自己的看法，我還是要說聯盟這處理方式和尺度我一點都不意外， 太空人上下的說法和「道歉」方式也不太意外。 但這件事的演進狀況倒真的讓人有點意外和側目了， 隨著各隊全體報到(像洋基的野手群這兩天報到)， 可以預期這個議題和空戰還要延續好一段時間。 先不管真實狀況和什麼有幾隊不乾淨啦，聯盟的危機和公關處理真的很棒呢，嗯。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 180.176.176.154 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1581800190.A.830.html ※ charlie01:轉錄至看板 Baseball 02/16 04:57
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02/16 04:59, 4年前 , 1F
V中怎沒#fakenews
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02/16 05:16, 4年前 , 2F
故意觸身會被告傷害罪嗎?
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02/16 05:30, 4年前 , 3F
各隊小聯盟火球男通通拉上來
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02/16 05:37, 4年前 , 4F
今年太空人團隊被觸身球次數可望破紀錄XD
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02/16 05:50, 4年前 , 5F
建議太空人打者穿盔甲上去打擊，一個正常的投手都
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02/16 05:50, 4年前 , 6F
會把球往他們身上招呼
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02/16 06:15, 4年前 , 7F
藤浪、葉+7有機會上大聯盟了
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02/16 06:58, 4年前 , 8F
大家會不爽還不是你聯盟罰太輕了 不如自己來
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02/16 06:59, 4年前 , 9F
罰那個不痛不癢的 真想叫控球不好的投手上來
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02/16 07:11, 4年前 , 10F
這麼嚴重的事 結果球員都沒事 當然欠丟
02/16 07:11, 10F
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02/16 07:12, 4年前 , 11F
保護個屌 作弊的時候被打爆的那些菜鳥投手你怎麼不
02/16 07:12, 11F
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02/16 07:12, 4年前 , 12F
去保護 講那什麼雞雞話
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02/16 07:15, 4年前 , 13F
天使要不要找藤浪
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02/16 07:15, 4年前 , 14F
他不用故意都會有一堆觸身球Xd
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02/16 07:20, 4年前 , 15F
Verlander你也別做夢了 跟魔獸一樣 只要你開過圖 不管
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02/16 07:20, 4年前 , 16F
那個V什麼的完美示範何謂雙標仔
02/16 07:20, 16F
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02/16 07:20, 4年前 , 17F
之後再怎麼神降臨 你永遠是垃圾圖狗
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02/16 07:21, 4年前 , 18F
作弊球員要是好好道歉且招供的話，也許反彈聲浪不會這
02/16 07:21, 18F
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02/16 07:22, 4年前 , 19F
麼大XD 建議作弊球員自主禁賽管理，免得進傷兵囉
02/16 07:22, 19F
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02/16 07:22, 4年前 , 20F
好好道歉對他們來說真的很難 人品何以低落至此
02/16 07:22, 20F
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02/16 07:27, 4年前 , 21F
別再出來吸引炮火了Verlander 枉費我前年還在為你生涯
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02/16 07:27, 4年前 , 22F
贏得第一座冠軍而感動 感謝太鼓人對你的支持 真是浪費
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02/16 07:27, 4年前 , 23F
感情
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02/16 07:29, 4年前 , 24F
好委屈喔，作弊時怎麼不多想一下
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02/16 07:31, 4年前 , 25F
我只能說當新球季中在太空人身上發生的任何事情都是他
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02/16 07:32, 4年前 , 26F
們自找的。
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02/16 07:40, 4年前 , 27F
不好意思 贏回尊重的方式是全裸打球證明你們沒有做假
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02/16 07:40, 4年前 , 28F
柯雷文哲
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02/16 07:40, 4年前 , 29F
不然我也只會覺得打好是新種作弊方式
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02/16 07:42, 4年前 , 30F
可以啊 全隊禁賽一年啊 夠保護了吧
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02/16 07:55, 4年前 , 31F
V中真的是嘴臭 其他投手不講話就沒事 自己引火上身
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02/16 07:56, 4年前 , 32F
唉 Baker看起來很誠懇但是其他人一直在拉仇恨有屁用
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02/16 07:59, 4年前 , 33F
而且最重要的是Baker根本不是當事者
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02/16 07:59, 4年前 , 34F
Baker 很像幫中學生護航的老師 但是這群不是學生了
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02/16 08:01, 4年前 , 35F
預謀作弊不用禁賽，為什麼預謀報復要禁賽?
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02/16 08:05, 4年前 , 36F
這隊球員的道德素質爛爆，還當爸呢，呵呵呵
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02/16 08:08, 4年前 , 37F
之前看聯盟不敢重罰，還以為是多數球隊都有作弊呢。現在
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02/16 08:08, 4年前 , 38F
看大家嘴太鼓人的樣子，看來大多數球隊都是沒作弊的，既
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02/16 08:08, 4年前 , 39F
然如此，聯盟到底在縮什麼的
02/16 08:08, 39F
還有 87 則推文
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02/16 13:47, 4年前 , 127F
還不趕快破解敵方要投觸身球時的動作
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02/16 13:47, 4年前 , 128F
躲去獨聯阿 這麼怕的話
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02/16 13:59, 4年前 , 129F
反正你們可以用垃圾桶叫球員閃觸身球
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02/16 14:04, 4年前 , 130F
那如果別隊因為"保護"怕丟內角球 這隊是不是佔超大優勢
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02/16 14:04, 4年前 , 131F
叫球員穿垃圾桶當護甲還比較合理
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02/16 14:05, 4年前 , 132F
收回2017世界冠軍我可以接受你們不被砸
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02/16 14:05, 4年前 , 133F
來個春訓特打：如何把球打向投手算了
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02/16 14:06, 4年前 , 134F
真的要保護球員 最好還是宣布解散
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02/16 14:10, 4年前 , 135F
保護作弊仔？？禁賽比較快啊
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02/16 14:21, 4年前 , 136F
作弊仔還要什麼保護
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02/16 14:43, 4年前 , 137F
作弊仔也怕被報復阿
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02/16 14:57, 4年前 , 138F
噁
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02/16 15:25, 4年前 , 139F
投手們來引一下V中的話發言說我也覺得太空人不該被砸吧
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02/16 15:25, 4年前 , 140F
聯盟不罰就是給大家制裁啊
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02/16 15:34, 4年前 , 141F
笑了 聯盟當然是覺得處罰好麻煩 交給球員自行處理啊 跟聯
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02/16 15:34, 4年前 , 142F
盟講有用嗎
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02/16 15:34, 4年前 , 143F
還可以用觸身來增加話題 超棒的
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02/16 16:07, 4年前 , 144F
觸身球罰個幾個人是還好 不過阿土伯跟院長是二游 總有
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02/16 16:07, 4年前 , 145F
DP機會的呵呵呵
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02/16 16:19, 4年前 , 146F
鬼腳大戰垃圾(X
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02/16 16:31, 4年前 , 147F
喜歡偷暗號 這次直接透露要丟觸身球 不是正合貴司風格嗎
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02/16 16:31, 4年前 , 148F
不要敲了啦 浪費垃圾桶 直接跟你講什麼時後丟觸身球就好
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02/16 16:32, 4年前 , 149F
貴隊
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02/16 17:10, 4年前 , 150F
其實有個辦法 直接宣布重建 把主力野手都交易掉 最好
02/16 17:10, 150F
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02/16 17:10, 4年前 , 151F
給道奇
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02/16 17:14, 4年前 , 152F
千萬不要 這些垃圾就算免費過來 都會髒了道奇
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02/16 17:25, 4年前 , 153F
聯盟輕輕放下，就別怪投手重重丟下
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02/16 17:50, 4年前 , 154F
觸身球的暗號偷不到嗎，閃就對了
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02/16 18:15, 4年前 , 155F
沒罰球員就已經是保護了
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02/16 20:33, 4年前 , 156F
保護加害者幹嘛,聯盟應該保護受害者才對...
02/16 20:33, 156F
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02/16 22:52, 4年前 , 157F
作弊人還怕人報復，沒被罰已經夠扯
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02/17 00:48, 4年前 , 158F
因為Baker我更想看到球往太鼓人身上招呼了...
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02/17 02:03, 4年前 , 159F
真噁心呀 貝克這咖 為了些臭錢 講得出這種話
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02/17 02:37, 4年前 , 160F
柯雷文哲xdd
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02/17 11:06, 4年前 , 161F
藤浪準備旅美嘍，人家不是故意的QQ
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02/17 12:29, 4年前 , 162F
第一次希望有人被砸到送醫
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02/17 14:49, 4年前 , 163F
藤浪旅美機會大增
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02/17 15:16, 4年前 , 164F
找免洗牛上來砸就好
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02/18 15:47, 4年前 , 165F
太空人這麼想贏,那每隊碰到他們都故意輸,讓他們162-0爽吧
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02/18 15:51, 4年前 , 166F
讓他們荒廢一球季沒得好好練,季後賽再把他們幹掉
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