[外電] 大聯盟希望印地安人隊換掉瓦荷酋長隊徽

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https://goo.gl/RuVpnW MLB and Cleveland Indians in talks to ‘transition away’ from Chief Wahoo logo Daniel Snyder may want to pay attention to this. There is talk between the Cleveland Indians owners and Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred to “transition away from the Chief Wahoo logo.” “We have specific steps in an identified process and are making progress," an MLB spokesman told the New York Times. “We are confident that a positive resolution will be reached that will be good for the game and the club.” The Chief Wahoo logo has been under fire for being viewed as offensive and dated; it is a smiling caricature with big white teeth that has long been a part of the Indians uniforms. There are fans who adore the logo and don’t want to see it removed, while there are others who protest outside Indians home games for its removal. The football team in Washington has been under fire for ages for its team nickname. Many have pushed for Washington to change the team name but Snyder, the team owner, hasn't budged. In recent years, the Indians have put more emphasis on the block C logo on their hats and uniforms. Although the team have used this logo more, Chief Wahoo can still be found on uniforms through the season. The Indians said in a statement Wednesday afternoon:"Commissioner Rob Manfred and Indians owner Paul Dolan have had ongoing dialogue on the topic of Chief Wahoo since last October. We certainly understand the sensitivities of the logo — those who find it insensitive and also those fans who have a long standing attachment to its place in the history of ther team. "We fully expect to work with the Commissioner throughout the remainder of this season on finding a solution that is good for the game and our organization. Our primary focus right now is on the team and our pursuit of returning to the postseason." The Indians, who are fresh off a World Series appearance, are looking to turn all of their attention on winning a title for the first time since 1948. After leading last year’s World Series 3-1, the Indians lost three straight games to the Cubs to lose the series in seven games. It was Chicago’s first World Series since 1908. The longest title drought in baseball now belongs to the Indians following the World Series loss. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 118.233.156.113 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1492184927.A.EF5.html
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04/14 23:50, , 1F
這好像有點管太多
04/14 23:50, 1F
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04/14 23:51, , 2F
美國冥進洞
04/14 23:51, 2F
我終於知道為什麼印地安人隊要在2011年換客場球衣了 2011年以前連頭盔都有Chief Wahoo https://goo.gl/IYueox https://goo.gl/vvvYMQ https://goo.gl/ci4u6O https://goo.gl/vVvLsY https://goo.gl/fPI5Rr https://goo.gl/P8a4KL ※ 編輯: LoveWin7 (118.233.156.113), 04/15/2017 00:09:06
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04/14 23:54, , 3F
牽涉到種族抗議還是摸摸鼻子改掉比較省時
04/14 23:54, 3F
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04/15 00:03, , 4F
要不要直接改隊名算了，聯盟管這麼多
04/15 00:03, 4F
照這樣來說，NBA的Boston Celtics也有種族歧視的疑慮 ※ 編輯: LoveWin7 (118.233.156.113), 04/15/2017 00:10:05
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04/15 00:26, , 5F
那改叫哥倫布隊印第安人應該會氣到吐血...
04/15 00:26, 5F
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04/15 00:39, , 6F
華盛頓都有 Redskins 了怎麼不改隊名哈哈 XD
04/15 00:39, 6F
既然被抗議 那要不要改回以前的隊名算了 1901年　克里夫蘭藍人隊　　　Cleveland BLUES 1902年　克里夫蘭野馬隊　　　Cleveland BRONCHOS 1903年　克里夫蘭納普隊　　　Cleveland NAPS 1915年起　克里夫蘭印地安人隊　Cleveland INDIANS ※ 編輯: LoveWin7 (118.233.156.113), 04/15/2017 00:42:12
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04/15 00:40, , 7F
隔壁Washington Redskins會不會也有事？
04/15 00:40, 7F
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04/15 00:43, , 8F
北歐人對NFL維京人？
04/15 00:43, 8F
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04/15 00:45, , 9F
倒是同一州的紅人隊不知道是不是也被抗議?
04/15 00:45, 9F
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04/15 00:46, , 10F
瓦荷是有這個人?
04/15 00:46, 10F
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04/15 00:50, , 11F
紅人其實也是指印地安人…不過Wahoo會引起爭議主要是
04/15 00:50, 11F
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04/15 00:50, , 12F
那是虛構的
04/15 00:50, 12F
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04/15 00:50, , 13F
一些人認為該圖示有歧視印第安人的意思(覺得笑容有點
04/15 00:50, 13F
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04/15 00:50, , 14F
猥瑣之類的) 所以才會要求換隊徽而不是隊名
04/15 00:50, 14F
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04/15 00:52, , 15F
對齁 既然都說隊徽 怎會說到隊名
04/15 00:52, 15F
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04/15 00:53, , 16F
一個隊徽被聯想成歧視也是蠻奇怪的
04/15 00:53, 16F
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04/15 00:57, , 17F
這年頭笑容都會出事喔.................
04/15 00:57, 17F
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04/15 00:58, , 18F
這種問題身在台灣是不清楚也不了解
04/15 00:58, 18F
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04/15 01:06, , 19F
政治正確zzz
04/15 01:06, 19F
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04/15 01:07, , 20F
弄十個不同笑容給原住民選個他們覺得不猥褻的
04/15 01:07, 20F
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04/15 01:10, , 21F
大概4這樣的感覺吧
04/15 01:10, 21F
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04/15 01:34, , 22F
怎麼不覺得這是保留在地文化 說歧視真的很牽強附會
04/15 01:34, 22F
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04/15 01:47, , 23F
沒被歧視過的人永遠很難理解啦 保留在地文化都扯得出來
04/15 01:47, 23F
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04/15 01:48, , 24F
稍微想一下大聯盟有滿大人隊 然後眼睛細細長長看會怎樣
04/15 01:48, 24F
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04/15 01:48, , 25F
Celtics名稱的脈絡跟Indians根本不能比
04/15 01:48, 25F
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04/15 01:49, , 26F
Celtics是新英格蘭的主要構成民族之一 還有人當總統
04/15 01:49, 26F
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04/15 01:50, , 27F
Redskins也被罵很久啊 South Park還有一集嘲諷這隊
04/15 01:50, 27F
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04/15 01:58, , 28F
拿一個圖去代表一個群體本來就不適當...能夠理解反對
04/15 01:58, 28F
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04/15 02:16, , 29F
以前的沙胖真強
04/15 02:16, 29F
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04/15 02:25, , 30F
在台灣果然會被扯管真寬 XD
04/15 02:25, 30F
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04/15 02:43, , 31F
Redskin也被要求改名很多次了
04/15 02:43, 31F
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04/15 06:23, , 32F
那天台灣會不會出現，原住民隊？阿美族隊？
04/15 06:23, 32F
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04/15 07:32, , 33F
Reds 指的是 red stockings 又不是印地安人
04/15 07:32, 33F
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04/15 08:00, , 34F
真的不用擔心台灣 連第五隊都難產 遑論隊名
04/15 08:00, 34F
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04/15 08:23, , 35F
一些大學校隊幾年前已經都改了
04/15 08:23, 35F
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04/15 08:41, , 36F
克里夫蘭印度人隊
04/15 08:41, 36F
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04/15 08:48, , 37F
有些台灣人歧視別人習慣了就覺得沒什麼，遺失的同理心
04/15 08:48, 37F
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04/15 09:06, , 38F
MLB的Reds是紅長襪 NFL那個才是紅皮膚
04/15 09:06, 38F
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04/15 09:16, , 39F
ROCer無法理解不意外
04/15 09:16, 39F
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04/15 09:19, , 40F
大學校隊有些協調好的沒有改 FSU跟Utah都是
04/15 09:19, 40F
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04/15 09:26, , 41F
Celticss那個是愛爾蘭妖精，原來凱爾特人是小妖精？
04/15 09:26, 41F
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04/15 09:28, , 42F
呆丸人水準不意外
04/15 09:28, 42F
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04/15 10:11, , 43F
真的是ROCer不意外 怕講太白讓人跳腳
04/15 10:11, 43F
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04/15 10:15, , 44F
在台灣 說我被歧視可以拿到更多利益 還可以扯到ROCer zz
04/15 10:15, 44F
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04/15 10:29, , 45F
被歧視的利益咧，那你要不要被歧視看看
04/15 10:29, 45F
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04/15 10:36, , 46F
唉 我是覺得有點小題大作………
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04/15 10:41, , 47F
這樣都歧視那黑人牙膏的笑容算不算
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04/15 11:04, , 48F
算。
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04/15 11:16, , 49F
克里夫蘭尼哥隊 lol
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04/15 11:18, , 50F
剛剛九局下一個ＧＳ打在老虎牛棚身上??!
04/15 11:18, 50F
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04/15 11:57, , 51F
隊名哪裡有歧視？取名印地安人怎麼了嗎？重點在隊徽充
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04/15 11:57, , 52F
滿種族刻版印象好嗎...一堆人搞不清楚狀況
04/15 11:57, 52F
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04/15 12:07, , 53F
講這年頭的人應該不知道這 logo 被嘴了大概十年有
04/15 12:07, 53F
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04/15 12:10, , 54F
改成克里夫蘭黑人隊
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04/15 12:18, , 55F
其實印地安人這個詞本身近年來也有爭議了 通常正式場合不
04/15 12:18, 55F
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04/15 12:18, , 56F
會使用一方面是怕跟印度人混淆 一方面覺得應該要正名
04/15 12:18, 56F
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04/15 12:19, , 57F
正式文書通常會寫Native American, Indian就真的指印度人
04/15 12:19, 57F
噓
04/15 12:46, , 58F
看推文就知道轉型正義為何在台灣無法落實
04/15 12:46, 58F
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04/15 12:51, , 59F
中華民國歧視國啊當然無感
04/15 12:51, 59F
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04/15 13:16, , 60F
看看台灣人怎麼虐待外傭的就知道了
04/15 13:16, 60F
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04/15 13:45, , 61F
這年頭笑容都會出事(Tim Duncan在說我嗎？)
04/15 13:45, 61F
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04/15 13:53, , 62F
看推文某大大說MLB的Reds指的是red stockings(長知識 我
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04/15 13:54, , 63F
真的完全不知道) 但為什麼沒正名為紅長襪(絲襪)隊呀？
04/15 13:54, 63F
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04/15 13:57, , 64F
樓上重點不是笑容而是隊徽可能的含義吧，一直強調笑
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04/15 13:57, , 65F
了也有事感覺很容易就會模糊焦點
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04/15 13:58, , 66F
Reds的典故和演變隨意google甚至連中文wiki都有寫啊
04/15 13:58, 66F
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04/15 13:59, , 67F
至於為什麼亂翻很久沒人在意或知道 Well....
04/15 13:59, 67F
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04/15 14:00, , 68F
大概是他們在臺灣的注目度真的太低……吧…
04/15 14:00, 68F
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04/15 14:01, , 69F
或者和襪襪太容易搞混了 畢竟英文沒這個困擾…
04/15 14:01, 69F
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04/15 15:15, , 70F
轉個頭正義，還不是政客肅清異己好聽點
04/15 15:15, 70F
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04/15 15:31, , 71F
Red Skin有爭議就改成Nu Skin吧(誤)
04/15 15:31, 71F
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04/15 15:36, , 72F
至於笑都有事 我只是在回應某樓 沒交代清楚 不好意思
04/15 15:36, 72F
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04/15 16:26, , 73F
讓我想起Bioshock 無限之城的某一關，充滿超屌歧視印
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04/15 16:26, , 74F
地安人跟華人的圖示
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04/15 16:45, , 75F
那就克里夫蘭克里夫蘭人隊算了
04/15 16:45, 75F
噓
04/15 19:41, , 76F
中華民國住民真的很棒
04/15 19:41, 76F
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04/15 20:25, , 77F
要說跟Native American有關，the Braves還比較有關
04/15 20:25, 77F
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04/15 20:34, , 78F
印地安無感的話 換台灣人學原住民說國語語氣歧視應該有感
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04/15 20:36, , 79F
反正很多人歧視台灣原住民也沒啥感覺~~
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04/16 11:22, , 80F
ROCer ROCer ROCer 萬歲～
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04/16 13:27, , 81F
克里夫蘭"沒有印地安人"隊
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04/16 16:56, , 82F
紅人如果改成紅長襪就會跟紅襪隊撞名了
04/16 16:56, 82F
噓
04/17 09:13, , 83F
種花冥國歧視你隊
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04/17 09:36, , 84F
克里夫蘭騎士2.0隊 上次看體育新聞 就直接講騎士隊了XD
04/17 09:36, 84F
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04/28 09:55, , 85F
美國人很重視這種事的
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04/28 09:56, , 86F
台灣人的角度看可能會覺得管太多
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04/28 09:56, , 87F
之前有家公司用酋長的臉當logo
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04/28 09:57, , 88F
被告到法院敗訴
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04/28 09:58, , 89F
既然有這個判決的前例在 印地安人也只能摸摸鼻子認了
04/28 09:58, 89F
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