[外電] Nolan Ryan認為投球數限制害了投手

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Rangers-ex Nolan Ryan still believes pitch counts are hurting arms In an article published over the weekend in the New York Daily News, Nolan Ryan was interviewed about why many of today's big-name pitchers are having Tommy John surgery. As Texas fans would expect from watching his approach to pitching as the Rangers president, Ryan, now with the Astros, blames stamina for many arm problems. “It’s because pitchers simply don’t throw as much as we did,” Ryan replied. “That’s the real issue here. When I pitched, we pitched every fourth day and guys would pitch 300 innings and it wasn’t considered a big deal. If you don’t get on the mound and develop stamina, you’re risking injury. This whole thing with the 100-pitch count limit — I have a real problem with that. Pitchers are all different and when you put standard limitations on them, you’re not utilizing their talent.” Ryan's theory has support from Tommy John. The namesake of the elbow ligament transplant surgery many star pitchers are getting, John believed that reducing today's pitching workload isn't doing any current hurlers any favors and is critical of those who still believe it. “I absolutely agree with Nolan that more is better,” John said in the article. “Years ago, I’d have gone along with the thinking that there’s only so many bullets in your arm. But we’ve ‘dumbed down’ our thinking today to believing that pitch counts and innings limitations are the way to go to preserve arms. Starting in 1975 with the White Sox, when Johnny Sain was my pitching coach, I would throw six days a week out of seven and it was the best my arm ever felt. For the next 13 years, I never missed a start, except once when I had the flu." http://0rz.tw/gb0KD Nolan Ryan:我們以前投一休三 一年投300局都沒事 現在投手就是因為投球數限制 所以體力太差了 這根本浪費了投手的才能 Tommy John也認為保護投手反而害了他們 同意Ryan說的 投越多越好 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 97.75.68.186 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1395956276.A.F4A.html

03/28 05:41, , 1F
Tommy John難道希望每個投手都去接受以他為名的手術?
03/28 05:41, 1F

03/28 05:50, , 2F
美國郭泰源
03/28 05:50, 2F

03/28 06:41, , 3F
天生神力的在那邊說人家天分不構
03/28 06:41, 3F

03/28 06:44, , 4F
跟王貞治一樣的思維呀,把自己投射到別人你以為超人滿天
03/28 06:44, 4F

03/28 06:44, , 5F
飛呀?
03/28 06:44, 5F

03/28 07:02, , 6F
田中表示:
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03/28 07:40, , 7F
花錢請投手受傷對雙方都不好吧
03/28 07:40, 7F

03/28 07:55, , 8F
XDDDD... 這句話讓他說 怎麼都覺得怪怪的...
03/28 07:55, 8F

03/28 08:25, , 9F
XDD
03/28 08:25, 9F

03/28 08:25, , 10F
台日思維領先全球阿
03/28 08:25, 10F

03/28 08:31, , 11F
會不會以前是為了投多所以每次丟球的手臂壓力都相對小一
03/28 08:31, 11F

03/28 08:32, , 12F
些? 現在單次投擲強度都太強才容易受傷?
03/28 08:32, 12F

03/28 08:35, , 13F
樓上~如果投輕一點不會被打爆誰不想投輕一點?
03/28 08:35, 13F

03/28 08:50, , 14F
越投越帶勁
03/28 08:50, 14F

03/28 09:09, , 15F
投久了 連疼痛都會怕你
03/28 09:09, 15F

03/28 09:17, , 16F
美國特快車
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03/28 09:17, , 17F
肩膀會痛是血路不通,多投幾球就通了
03/28 09:17, 17F

03/28 09:17, , 18F
不過先別說 Ryan, 其實過去的確是比較多 200 innings pitche
03/28 09:17, 18F

03/28 09:17, , 19F
呵 一年動不動就丟六百多局的那一票清朝古人
03/28 09:17, 19F

03/28 09:18, , 20F
應該也要從墳墓爬起來嗆一下這兩位...
03/28 09:18, 20F

03/28 09:18, , 21F
去年 200+ IP 只有36, 前年 31. 但是70年代, 這個數字是
03/28 09:18, 21F

03/28 09:19, , 22F
美國郭泰源
03/28 09:19, 22F

03/28 09:19, , 23F
"平均" 60+
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03/28 09:20, , 24F
Ryan這樣放聲的確有點不知他腦筋在想啥
03/28 09:20, 24F

03/28 09:21, , 25F
但這幾年200+ inn. hurler 像 Buehrle 這種咖
03/28 09:21, 25F

03/28 09:21, , 26F
Pud Galvin 1883-84連續兩年丟了幾乎一千三百局
03/28 09:21, 26F

03/28 09:21, , 27F
越來越少也少也是不爭的事實
03/28 09:21, 27F

03/28 09:21, , 28F
以現在的標準可以整年請他一個先發就好 XDD
03/28 09:21, 28F

03/28 09:26, , 29F
唔 認真的說還是和每個時代的演進有關啦
03/28 09:26, 29F

03/28 09:26, , 30F
70s是投手年代 那時候一隊輪值也只有四人
03/28 09:26, 30F

03/28 09:27, , 31F
90s則是百年一見的投手怪物年代
03/28 09:27, 31F

03/28 09:28, , 32F
各種強度因子的進化應該也有點關聯..
03/28 09:28, 32F

03/28 09:55, , 33F
美國郭泰源 中職領先業界20年
03/28 09:55, 33F

03/28 10:21, , 34F
以前炸掉的投手更多 只是炸了之後大家就忘了
03/28 10:21, 34F

03/28 10:23, , 35F
我記得當初SALE也有討論這個問題。
03/28 10:23, 35F

03/28 10:24, , 36F
不過關皮也講過投手哪時候會炸掉誰也不知道
03/28 10:24, 36F

03/28 10:39, , 37F
近代打者也變強了 投手每球所花的體力也增加
03/28 10:39, 37F

03/28 10:57, , 38F
越投越殆盡
03/28 10:57, 38F

03/28 10:57, , 39F
中職果然領先全球XD
03/28 10:57, 39F

03/28 11:57, , 40F
台灣高中教練是大聯盟級的
03/28 11:57, 40F

03/28 12:03, , 41F
他們當GM真的敢只排4個SP全部拼完投?
03/28 12:03, 41F

03/28 12:12, , 42F
簡單啊 這又沒硬性規定 以後遊騎兵的投手一年就三百局
03/28 12:12, 42F

03/28 12:18, , 43F
有投球限制後,還不是一堆名投也爆掉
03/28 12:18, 43F

03/28 12:40, , 44F
要投到連疼痛都怕你
03/28 12:40, 44F

03/28 13:00, , 45F
他已經不在遊騎兵了啦....
03/28 13:00, 45F

03/28 13:32, , 46F
很簡單 去找MLB球隊來實驗看看 拿冠軍就是你的理論獲勝
03/28 13:32, 46F

03/28 13:55, , 47F
Ryan已經離開條子了 太空人的投手要自求多福 Rodon挫咧蛋
03/28 13:55, 47F

03/28 14:06, , 48F
CPBL > MLB
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03/28 14:20, , 49F
有傳聞太空人搞不好會選Kolek喔
03/28 14:20, 49F

03/28 15:22, , 50F
現在重選球跟上壘率後 100球換的局數是不是有變短啊?
03/28 15:22, 50F

03/28 16:05, , 51F
現在的環境跟以前不一樣了,以前都重視打擊率,但現在
03/28 16:05, 51F

03/28 16:05, , 52F
除了打擊,也很重視上壘率,所以投手要耗的球數就更多
03/28 16:05, 52F

03/28 17:00, , 53F
美國郭泰源
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03/28 17:27, , 54F
原來米國也有還沒上太空而在繼續殺豬公的
03/28 17:27, 54F

03/28 17:38, , 55F
世界的領航者 - 中華職棒
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03/28 18:06, , 56F
觀念本來就一定會有不同派別 投球數是隨著時間發展比較
03/28 18:06, 56F

03/28 18:07, , 57F
客觀容易的評估方式了 受傷原因百百種 好的教練本就不
03/28 18:07, 57F

03/28 18:07, , 58F
該只懂得計算投球數 投球機制 休息日的訓練菜單 很多東
03/28 18:07, 58F

03/28 18:09, , 59F
西的細節都可以去深入探討 但現代棒球真的跟以前不同
03/28 18:09, 59F

03/28 18:10, , 60F
投不到300局不是因為怕受傷吧 還沒投到就被打爆啦 = =
03/28 18:10, 60F

03/28 18:11, , 61F
老提中3日 問題是中3日還能投好的投手有幾個
03/28 18:11, 61F

03/28 18:39, , 62F
因為薪資越來越高 老闆越來越寶阿
03/28 18:39, 62F

03/28 18:58, , 63F
以前熱身 牛棚練投少? 現在熱身+練投投太多??
03/28 18:58, 63F

03/28 19:21, , 64F
他的確有資格說 因為他根本是神的手臂
03/28 19:21, 64F

03/28 19:43, , 65F
之前愛砲這的morris也是 第9局/9月 反而更威
03/28 19:43, 65F

03/28 23:26, , 66F
看到TommyJohn就笑場了..
03/28 23:26, 66F

03/29 01:55, , 67F
郭泰源表示:想當年我單日投17局 中間只休30分鐘
03/29 01:55, 67F

03/29 01:56, , 68F
太遠的不說 今年剛入名人堂的那兩位也都很耐操
03/29 01:56, 68F

03/29 01:57, , 69F
Maddux年輕時有連續四年超過260局 後來因為罷工而中止
03/29 01:57, 69F

03/29 09:43, , 70F
連Ryan也這樣講,跟郭總一樣的思維耶
03/29 09:43, 70F

03/29 10:47, , 71F
德州特快車喔~喔喔~喔喔
03/29 10:47, 71F

03/29 13:46, , 72F
媒體去訪問那些因為局數太多被操壞的 看看他們怎麼說阿
03/29 13:46, 72F

03/29 13:46, , 73F
訪問耐操的當然這麼說...
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03/29 18:31, , 74F
美國郭泰源
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