Re: [情報] 柳賢振球路數據

看板MLB作者 (鍵盤球探)時間11年前 (2012/11/09 09:14), 編輯推噓19(20127)
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※ 引述《abc12812 ()》之銘言: : 今天是柳胖下標截止日 來看看他的球路詳細數據吧 : http://www.mykbo.net/KBO_news/november8thsrandomkbonews : 快速球沒很快 但位移蠻強的 http://0rz.tw/clcuL I am Korean and watched his pitching for a long time. In 2011, he pitched only 126innings because of sore sholder muscle. He has low BB rate but his control is not that good because in Korea, hitters can't hit against Ryu even he pitch right down the middle. Just think about Dice-K. He had low BB rate in Japan but after he came to US, MLB hitters could hit against Matsuzaka so he started to nibble. Also, Korean baseball has huge strike zone. Ryu throws four seam fastball(he cant throw cutter or two seamer) which grade is 45 in 20-80 scale.50 curve and plus changeup and 40 slider according to one ML scout who visited Korea to scout him. Since he's a flyball pitcher and I don't see him as a K-machine at Major League level. He will not fit in Fenway. Redsoxprospect 一個組國祖友的貼文 可以參考一下 2011年因肩膀疲勞只投126局 這位板友認為柳兄能這麼威猛主要是因為韓國職棒好球帶寬 造成他數據上BB很少 柳兄來MLB可能跟牛肉一樣BB連發 而且韓職打者畢竟不比MLB 柳兄中央偏低位置的球 韓職打者就打不到了 飛球投手型的他 在MLB不太可能那麼多K 當初MLB球探對柳的評分(20~80分) 4縫線直球: 45 曲球: 50 變速球 : 50 滑球 : 40 -- http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=20090589&c_id=mlb Ozzie Smith http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=20251159&c_id=mlb Robert Alomar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDK248_i6mE
最帥氣揮棒 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNFloPq_WNY
誰投得出比我更屌的球??? http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=20093619&c_id=mlb 魅力巨星 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 210.244.74.126

11/09 09:58, , 1F
也太慘 = =
11/09 09:58, 1F

11/09 10:02, , 2F
中等素質,這樣看來也沒很強的變化球球種。
11/09 10:02, 2F

11/09 10:07, , 3F
可之前看井川慶和川上憲伸在日職很威,但美職棒轟很慘,前
11/09 10:07, 3F

11/09 10:08, , 4F
中日龍隊監督落和博滿(好像是他說的)說要有縱向變化球種,
11/09 10:08, 4F

11/09 10:09, , 5F
且投得好才能在美職生存。這點說來蠻有說服力,野茂英雄的
11/09 10:09, 5F

11/09 10:09, , 6F
指叉球,黑田博樹的指叉球,岡島秀樹的大曲球都是縱向的。
11/09 10:09, 6F

11/09 10:18, , 7F
上一屆 2009 WBC時, BA在柳賢振的球探報告寫:
11/09 10:18, 7F

11/09 10:18, , 8F
"Ryu has four average to above-average pitches,
11/09 10:18, 8F

11/09 10:18, , 9F
includes a 86-93 mph fastball with late life that
11/09 10:18, 9F

11/09 10:18, , 10F
he can add and subtract from when needed,
11/09 10:18, 10F

11/09 10:19, , 11F
a slow curve, a tighter slider and a changeup.
11/09 10:19, 11F

11/09 10:26, , 12F
忘了在哪看到,之前有人比喻柳是弱化版的Cole Hamels,呵呵
11/09 10:26, 12F

11/09 10:27, , 13F
有趣的比較,就看他到美國後變速球有沒有辦法投得出來了
11/09 10:27, 13F

11/09 10:28, , 14F
某球探還說是 Wei-yin Chen type with better stuff.
11/09 10:28, 14F

11/09 10:28, , 15F
一向愛嗆聲的祖國人都這麼講了 柳應該只是B咖
11/09 10:28, 15F

11/09 10:28, , 16F
這大概可以戰好幾天 (逃~~)
11/09 10:28, 16F

11/09 10:32, , 17F
或許柳評價比較高,但陳今年打的比預期好太多,柳要打同
11/09 10:32, 17F

11/09 10:32, , 18F
樣數據...恩..
11/09 10:32, 18F

11/09 10:34, , 19F
有球隊對他有興趣?
11/09 10:34, 19F

11/09 11:09, , 20F
去MLB只是台發球機
11/09 11:09, 20F

11/09 11:42, , 21F
覺得要看他的Slow Curve會投怎麼樣,因為就這球種是縱向變
11/09 11:42, 21F

11/09 11:42, , 22F
化球。井川慶在日職用變速球K爆央聯打者,在美職就吃不開了
11/09 11:42, 22F

11/09 11:43, , 23F
柳胖的主戰球種應該是變速球
11/09 11:43, 23F

11/09 11:44, , 24F
井川是過去之後姿勢跑掉控球崩壞 又不能向日職用直球搶好球
11/09 11:44, 24F

11/09 11:44, , 25F
不然他的變速還是不錯 問題是控球
11/09 11:44, 25F

11/09 11:55, , 26F
better stuff 那麼他去美國至少要丟均速90M以上
11/09 11:55, 26F

11/09 11:57, , 27F
查了一下陳今年是91.82M = 147.8
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11/09 11:58, , 28F
我沒看過柳胖很多比賽,他能丟出這個均速兼控球嗎?
11/09 11:58, 28F

11/09 11:59, , 29F
井川慶在美國不是因為這問題崩壞的,至少不是主要
11/09 11:59, 29F

11/09 12:00, , 30F
88.5跟91.2差蠻多的XD
11/09 12:00, 30F

11/09 12:12, , 31F
陳偉殷是 91.0 mph
11/09 12:12, 31F

11/09 12:16, , 32F
來投投看就知道囉^^DiceK當初還不是雷聲大到不行
11/09 12:16, 32F

11/09 12:29, , 33F
他均速今年今年來到143公里,這是他近幾年最快了,我覺得他變
11/09 12:29, 33F

11/09 12:31, , 34F
化球投的比陳還要好不少,但速球不太有可能投出陳的水準
11/09 12:31, 34F

11/09 13:32, , 35F
right down the middle是指紅中不是中間偏低
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11/09 13:36, , 36F
沒有品質良好的速球 變化球會打折的..
11/09 13:36, 36F

11/09 13:42, , 37F
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11/09 13:51, , 38F
對了,之前有篇球探報告給柳胖50 55 60 45,照這篇球種順序排
11/09 13:51, 38F

11/09 13:52, , 39F
當時他的評價是3~4號先發,有很不錯的變速球
11/09 13:52, 39F

11/09 14:53, , 40F
阿宅當初在阪神是靠 變速跟曲球吃飯的 控不進去 等於沒用
11/09 14:53, 40F

11/09 15:33, , 41F
變速球季後賽拿來玩洋基不錯用~
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11/09 15:37, , 42F
看今年影片 他極速能到153km(95mph)
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11/09 15:39, , 43F
而且是100球之後 可是速球速度落差蠻大的 最慢還不到140
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11/09 15:39, , 44F
km.....
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11/09 15:59, , 45F
他的狀況起伏很大阿,好的場次可以145UP在噴,壞的140遊走
11/09 15:59, 45F

11/09 22:23, , 46F
看分數是不是只有四號的水準阿
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11/12 14:19, , 47F
變速 PLUS是60分吧...
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11/02 07:52, , 48F
better stuf https://noxiv.com
11/02 07:52, 48F
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