Nightengale: Cabrera easy MVP choice

看板MLB作者時間11年前 (2012/10/03 22:02), 編輯推噓46(46推 0噓 32→)
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http://tinyurl.com/92tfnym Please, my fellow voters of the Baseball Writers' Association of America, can't we all get along? 大家別吵囉 Yes, I believe there is one rational AL choice when voters are required to submit their MVP ballots after today's games. 我相信合理的MLB選擇已經出來了 His name is Miguel Cabrera. 就是Cabrera There's no need for name-calling. But, honestly, I don't believe the race is close. 競爭完全不激烈 Never in my wildest dreams did I envision a need to justify an MVP award for a man who's poised to become the first player since the Boston Red Sox's Carl Yastrzemski in 1967 to win a Triple Crown, all while leading his team to the American League Central title. 成為1967年後首位三冠王 加上帶領球隊拿下分區冠軍 拿下MVP的理由還不夠充分嗎? Then again, who imagined a rookie season like Trout's? Cabrera enters Wednesday leading the American League with 44 homers, 139 RBI and a .331 batting average. His 137 RBI, 203 hits, 40 doubles and 44 homers have been equaled by only Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig. 137打點 40二安 44轟的成就只有Babe Ruth和Lou Gehrig達成過 Trout, 21, produced one of the greatest rookie seasons in history, and no player at any age has scored 125 runs with 40 stolen bases and 30 homers. Trout打出史上最好的新秀球季之一 Trout might be the only man standing who can ruin Cabrera's Triple Crown bid with his .325 batting average, but he can't stand in the way of his MVP award, not with the huge disparity down the stretch. Trout是唯一有機會搶走打擊王的人 但他搶不走MVP Take a peek since Aug. 1 heading into Tuesday: Cabrera: .343 with 42 runs, 19 homers, 52 RBI, .411 on-base percentage, .676 slugging, 1.087 on-base plus slugging percentage. Trout: .284 with 49 runs, 12 homers, 28 RBI, 17 stolen bases, .381 OBP, .500 slugging, .881 OPS. 八月後的成績: Cabrera: .343 得分42 全壘打19 打點52 .444上壘率 .676長打率 1.087 OPS Trout: .284 得分49 12全壘打 28打點 17盜壘 .381上壘率 .500長打率 .881 OPS If that's not enough, wrap your mind around one of the most integral aspects to be considered in MVP balloting: 這還不夠有說服力的話 想想MVP票選最重要的面相吧 A players' impact on his team. 對球隊的影響 It doesn't matter if Trout leads the world in WAR or peace, no player in the AL meant more to his team this year than Cabrera. 管他什麼WAR的 沒有一個球員比Cabrera對他的球隊更重要的了 Trout, for you Wins Above Replacement aficionados, might have a higher total (10.3 to 7.1), but Cabrera actually has a higher percentage of his team total (33.5% to 27.2%), courtesy of colleague Paul White. Cabrera佔球隊WAR比重比Trout高 Cabrera led his team to a first-place finish in the AL Central, with the Tigers opening the playoffs Saturday at Comerica Park. 老虎要進季後賽了 The Angels, despite an 83-57 run since Trout's April 28 call-up, will finish third in the AL West. 天使只排分區第三 Take Trout away from the Angels this year, and Los Angeles still would have finished next-to-last, ahead of the Seattle Mariners. 有沒有Trout 天使都只贏水手 Take Cabrera away from the Tigers, and they would have set up their golf tee times a month ago. 沒Cabrera的話 老虎現在就要準備打PGA了 Before anyone gets cute, let's end the idea that it's inconsequential since the Angels have two more wins than the Tigers. The Red Sox had the same victory total as the St. Louis Cardinals last year, but we can't remember a soul apologizing for the Red Sox. 說天使勝場比老虎多的人 想想去年的紅襪吧 紅襪去年勝場和紅雀一樣多呢 It's also time to stop with the defensive comparison. No one is arguing that Trout is a better defensive center fielder than Cabrera is a third baseman. 防守上 當然Trout是比較好沒錯 Remember that Cabrera is the one who moved to third base, after a five-year layoff, to make room for free agent Prince Fielder. Cabrera is hardly a Gold Glove nominee, but he has startled scouts with his adequacy. 不過別忘記Cabrera為了把1B位置讓給Prince Fielder而無私移防三壘 Cabrera固然不是金手套 但他也不是漏洞 So now we're going to penalize Cabrera for moving from first base? 所以Cabrera要因為他的移防而招致批評嗎? Uh-uh. Doesn't work that way. Trout is a wonderful story, a player who overcame a thyroid condition this spring that robbed him of 20pounds, and should be honored as the unanimous rookie of the year winner. Trout是很好的故事 He just won't be the MVP. 只是他不是MVP Take a bow, Miguel Cabrera. Cabrera 去領獎吧 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.25.133
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10/03 22:06, , 1F
翻譯辛苦了!! "八月後成績" 部份 Trout 少了 "得分" 數據~~
10/03 22:06, 1F
※ 編輯: abc12812 來自: 140.112.25.133 (10/03 22:07)
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10/03 22:11, , 2F
沒Cabrera的話 老虎現在就要準備打PGA了XD
10/03 22:11, 2F
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10/03 22:20, , 3F
紅襪又中槍XDD
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10/03 22:20, , 4F
你太強了 光是MVP爭論的部分已經發了15篇文 偉哉~
10/03 22:20, 4F
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10/03 22:24, , 5F
他的佔球隊比重是只算打者嗎?
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10/03 22:29, , 6F
XDD
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10/03 22:33, , 7F
這篇有點弱...
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10/03 22:36, , 8F
這些MVP相關的文章都很沒意義
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10/03 22:40, , 9F
PGA是啥啊XDDDDDDDDDD
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10/03 22:41, , 10F
其實我覺得胖卡穩拿的 就像去年V壯年 拿MVP氣勢很重要
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10/03 22:42, , 11F
Trout從火星回來地球速度太快了 隔年再拼吧!
10/03 22:42, 11F
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10/03 22:47, , 12F
PGA就是之前謠傳紅襪投手們最喜歡的聯賽
10/03 22:47, 12F
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10/03 22:48, , 13F
這篇怎麼很有說服力 = =
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10/03 22:51, , 14F
PGA 就是去打高爾夫的意思啦 XD
10/03 22:51, 14F
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10/03 22:51, , 15F
我怎麼覺得這篇論點一點說服力也沒有
10/03 22:51, 15F
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10/03 22:53, , 16F
反正吵半天 最後還不是看BBWAA會員爽投誰就投誰
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10/03 22:53, , 17F
Why not just wait and see?
10/03 22:53, 17F
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10/03 22:55, , 18F
我覺得既然吵到現在兩派完全無法達成任何共識 就差不多
10/03 22:55, 18F
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10/03 22:55, , 19F
該停了吧= =
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10/03 22:58, , 20F
有沒有Trout 天使都只贏水手 有點中肯
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10/03 22:59, , 21F
只是這系列文看到有點膩了..
10/03 22:59, 21F
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10/03 23:04, , 22F
推PGA XDDD
10/03 23:04, 22F
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10/03 23:12, , 23F
為舌麼會有兩派??? 有人以為Trout會拿MVP??????????????????
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10/03 23:12, , 24F
有阿 ~.~
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10/03 23:13, , 25F
ESPN的Jayson Stark就投給Trout
10/03 23:13, 25F
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10/03 23:14, , 26F
這跟我18086篇的論點根本一樣 我來當專欄寫手好了
10/03 23:14, 26F
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10/03 23:16, , 27F
最近這種文都END 好煩.....
10/03 23:16, 27F
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10/03 23:33, , 28F
天使勝場和去年紅襪一樣多 講得太好了XDD
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10/03 23:45, , 29F
去年紅襪又中槍XD
10/03 23:45, 29F
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10/03 23:48, , 30F
老大才能拿MVP
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10/03 23:49, , 31F
看到分區冠軍... LAA戰績可是比所謂分區冠軍還好....
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10/03 23:57, , 32F
這話題戰了好久...我猜Cabrera拿MVP...XD
10/03 23:57, 32F
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10/03 23:59, , 33F
雖然我也覺得米糕會拿，但看了這篇文後更希望TROUT拿
10/03 23:59, 33F
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10/04 00:00, , 34F
紅襪有夠慘 XDDD
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10/04 00:02, , 35F
等投票出來再說 勿忘10AL CY打了多少臉
10/04 00:02, 35F
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10/04 00:02, , 36F
紅襪去年勝場跟紅雀一樣多XDDDD
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10/04 00:04, , 37F
明星賽以前我認為Trout會拿 但之後米糕起飛後 就知道結果了
10/04 00:04, 37F
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10/04 00:08, , 38F
希望trout拿MVP來打臉+1 前年看King拿打臉好爽
10/04 00:08, 38F
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10/04 00:12, , 39F
我也好希望打臉 畢竟RBI這種數據實在是很沒意義
10/04 00:12, 39F
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10/04 00:12, , 40F
比MVP時會沒意義嗎 雖然都說RBI是運氣 因為RISP不穩定
10/04 00:12, 40F
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10/04 00:12, , 41F
AVG可能還比RBI有價值多了 雖然AVG也是眾所周知的糟
10/04 00:12, 41F
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10/04 00:13, , 42F
但是打了就是打了阿 這是貢獻
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10/04 00:14, , 43F
所以MVP真的就別再參考RBI了吧 質疑WAR可以用別的進階
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10/04 00:14, , 44F
我也希望 分區冠軍.....? 夜郎自大
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10/04 00:15, , 45F
數據，這種憑運氣，還要跟隊友搏感情的數據......
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10/04 00:15, , 46F
MVP比的是貢獻 拿RBI來參考沒什麼錯阿
10/04 00:15, 46F
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10/04 00:15, , 47F
隊友上壘你打的回來就是種貢獻 是實力還是運氣根本不重要
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10/04 00:16, , 48F
問題是這種貢獻是別人做球給你的 還是靠自己打回來的?
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10/04 00:16, , 49F
如果RBI真這麼重要 那第一棒豈非原罪?
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10/04 00:18, , 50F
就算拿RISP來評論MVP我也認為沒什麼錯
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10/04 00:18, , 51F
運氣歸運氣 貢獻歸貢獻
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10/04 00:19, , 52F
Trout WAR破10 貢獻度明顯更大
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10/04 00:20, , 53F
用RISP選MVP? 別鬧了 那不如用抽籤算了 反正差不多
10/04 00:20, 53F
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10/04 00:20, , 54F
投給Trout也沒什麼不對 我只是不認為實際投票差距會有兩人
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10/04 00:21, , 55F
的WAR差距這麼大就是了
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10/04 00:21, , 56F
我只是認為把RISP當作投MVP時的一個加分選項也很正常而已
10/04 00:21, 56F
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10/04 00:24, , 57F
每一個數據可以拿來 "參考" 但拿來 "決定" 就有可能會惹爭議
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10/04 00:26, , 58F
有數據可以直接決定就不需要投票了 只是參加價值多寡而已
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10/04 00:27, , 59F
RBI跟得點圈打擊率有相關吧 怎會不重要
10/04 00:27, 59F
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10/04 00:31, , 60F
WAR算起來 Trout 是幾個 C.Gonzalez? 真的會差這麼多?
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10/04 00:32, , 61F
RISP就是一個碰運氣的數據 它最大的用途就是拿來判斷
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10/04 00:33, , 62F
哪些球員被高估(RISP太高)或低估(RISP過低)
10/04 00:33, 62F
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10/04 00:34, , 63F
運氣又如何呢 打出來就是打出來了 貢獻就是貢獻
10/04 00:34, 63F
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10/04 00:34, , 64F
做球給你也要有實力打回來阿 掌握每次機會錯了嗎?
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10/04 00:37, , 65F
另外....三冠王數據與防守、走壘、送球都無涉
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10/04 00:37, , 66F
只用三冠王也太偏頗了吧
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10/04 00:39, , 67F
掌握機會當然很好 問題是有些人一排棒次就沒啥機會
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10/04 00:41, , 68F
那你就一直掌握好該有的機會 棒次就會往前啦
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10/04 00:42, , 69F
Atro說的是Trout一棒跟米糕中心的差別
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這不是打得好就可以更動棒次的
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10/04 00:43, , 71F
是的 就是表現很好 棒次就往前排第一棒啦....
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10/04 07:24, , 72F
沒Cabrera的話 老虎現在就要準備打PGA了XD
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10/04 08:17, , 73F
第一棒拿MVP的例子又不是沒有 關棒次屁事
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10/04 19:40, , 74F
不是很同意那個八月後分割法
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10/04 19:41, , 75F
另外運氣是拿來評估球員實力的，不能拿進來貶低貢獻
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10/04 20:58, , 76F
得分也不全是打出RBI球員的貢獻 上壘/推壘的都有貢獻
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10/04 20:59, , 77F
所以還是看登山路線圖(#1EPCXWaR)決定貢獻量吧(誤)
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10/05 00:53, , 78F
看到PGA狂笑XDDDDDD
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