Re: [討論] CP災難年?

看板MLB作者 (暗坑大豆)時間13年前 (2012/05/05 14:56), 編輯推噓19(19020)
留言39則, 21人參與, 最新討論串2/3 (看更多)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tom_verducci/04/17/closers/index.html 半個月前 Tom Verducci 的專欄(節錄): ‧ Sixty-six percent of 2011 Opening Day closers (20 of 30) are no longer closing for the same team 12 months later, with seven of them hurt. ‧ Fifty percent of all starting pitchers will go on the DL every year, as well as 34 percent of all relievers. That bears repeating: half of all starting pitchers will break down this year. ‧ Injuries last year cost clubs $487 million -- or about $16 million per team. The bill since 2008 for players who can't play is $1.9 billion. 醫療和訓練進步,受傷卻愈多 The incidence of injuries went down slightly in one brief period: the back end of the steroid era, when sophisticated, cutting-edge use of illegal performance-enhancers -- not the industrial-strength, gym-rat regimens of the early adopters -- were keeping people on the field and aiding in recovery. But since 2007 -- right after amphetamines joined steroids on the banned list -- the rate of injuries has not improved despite the advances in science, nutrition and training. Walk into any major league clubhouse before a game and you will see all kinds of strength trainers, masseuses, massage therapists, doctors, whirlpools, hydrotherapy pools, hot tubs, cold tubs, weight rooms, gyms ... and injured pitchers. 今年開季蹲傷兵名單的和去年差不多,但因為手痛的卻更多 Sixty-six pitchers began this year on the DL, about the same as last year (68). But 53 percent of the injured pitchers this year suffered an elbow injury, a jump from 23 percent. Conte's research on Tommy John surgery shows that 85 to 90 percent of patients return to pitching. For repeat Tommy John patients, the news is not so good. Seven of 10 relievers who underwent a second Tommy John operation made it back while only one out of seven starters returned. ... 以前終結者沒有"只用一局"的限制反而比較耐操 the number of times a pitcher saved 25 games while throwing at least 81 regular season innings: 1980-89 64 1990-99 27 2000-09 21 2010-11 0 Only five pitchers saved 25 games three times in the past five years and are still closing: Jose Valverde, Mariano Rivera, Jonathan Papelbon, Heath Bell and Joe Nathan 噴掉的錢: Wilson, Soria, Madson, Bailey and Farnsworth will earn $30.2 million combined this year. 當時還沒有Mo。即使像光芒這樣省錢且懂得善用的球隊也無法避免 Tampa Bay Rays since 2008 has done just fine with five different pitchers leading the team in saves over those five years: Troy Percival, J.P. Howell, Rafael Soriano, Farnsworth and Fernando Rodney. Total cost: $15.8 million. And all of them, to varying degrees, have broken down. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 111.248.74.187

05/05 14:58, , 1F
這會被戰喔.... XD
05/05 14:58, 1F

05/05 15:01, , 2F
所以要多多學習中職跟日職的投手操度
05/05 15:01, 2F

05/05 15:03, , 3F
紅襪教練表示:
05/05 15:03, 3F

05/05 15:28, , 4F
所以就是多丟一點 丟久了就不會受傷了
05/05 15:28, 4F

05/05 15:42, , 5F
大情人:
05/05 15:42, 5F

05/05 15:50, , 6F
中職,日職:投到連痛都怕你 那就不會痛了
05/05 15:50, 6F

05/05 15:54, , 7F
丟太少局數
05/05 15:54, 7F

05/05 15:57, , 8F
他們應該把郭泰源請去當投教
05/05 15:57, 8F

05/05 16:03, , 9F
揮臂的速度超過光速的時候就可以穿梭時間 回復到受傷前的手
05/05 16:03, 9F

05/05 16:07, , 10F
好文推~
05/05 16:07, 10F

05/05 16:13, , 11F
以前應該操爆更多選手 只是就死在小聯盟了 沒人留意 能活下來
05/05 16:13, 11F

05/05 16:14, , 12F
升上MLB的已證明老天眷顧就是耐操型的 因此才會有這種錯覺
05/05 16:14, 12F

05/05 16:30, , 13F
他那個數字(>25 SV >81 IP 人數) 不能證明以前的比較耐操吧
05/05 16:30, 13F

05/05 16:31, , 14F
啊就使用方法不同而已 要用別的來比才對吧
05/05 16:31, 14F

05/05 16:36, , 15F
我覺得他就是想說操一局比操多局容易死
05/05 16:36, 15F

05/05 16:37, , 16F
一個投手固定操一局 和 很多投手分很多局操 的不同
05/05 16:37, 16F

05/05 17:44, , 17F
所以是固定一局就會全力投 多投幾局反而會留力?
05/05 17:44, 17F

05/05 17:58, , 18F
會不會也是因為這樣打者有變強
05/05 17:58, 18F

05/05 17:58, , 19F
導致投手要投一局的強度也大增
05/05 17:58, 19F

05/05 18:01, , 20F
這種抱怨文 如果是中文應該會被噓 科科
05/05 18:01, 20F

05/05 18:11, , 21F
不能在同意樓上在多了
05/05 18:11, 21F

05/05 18:46, , 22F
我倒是覺得上兩樓腦補十分嚴重
05/05 18:46, 22F

05/05 19:23, , 23F
值得探討玩味
05/05 19:23, 23F

05/05 21:02, , 24F
我是覺得以前沒有辦法把人的極限發揮出來反而是保護了
05/05 21:02, 24F

05/05 21:03, , 25F
人的身體 現在訓練方式雖然可以讓人挑戰極速但感覺上就
05/05 21:03, 25F

05/05 21:03, , 26F
是個兩面刃
05/05 21:03, 26F

05/05 21:16, , 27F
你看棒子爺八零年代的體格跟到後面的體格成長就知道了
05/05 21:16, 27F

05/05 21:20, , 28F
扣除掉*之外 運動科學訓練對人幫助就好像賽車引擎性能提升
05/05 21:20, 28F

05/05 21:26, , 29F
至於醫療技術進步則是在於出事後補救措施
05/05 21:26, 29F

05/05 21:28, , 30F
車子引越好跟事後維修越棒 可是怎麼車禍還是一堆道理一樣
05/05 21:28, 30F

05/06 01:19, , 31F
你好像忽略了保健技術也進步了...
05/06 01:19, 31F

05/06 01:20, , 32F
用你的舉例法 也可以說現在車子防撞及保護乘客的技術進步
05/06 01:20, 32F

05/06 01:21, , 33F
但是你沒辦法解釋同樣撞上電線杆 保護作更好卻受一樣的傷
05/06 01:21, 33F

05/06 01:22, , 34F
這的確是個值得玩味的問題
05/06 01:22, 34F

05/06 02:00, , 35F
因為車速越來越快 聯盟競技強度整體提升 就算用玻璃纖維
05/06 02:00, 35F

05/06 02:03, , 36F
還在高科技材質 車速越高 還是一樣會GG
05/06 02:03, 36F

05/06 15:57, , 37F
科 果然被腦噓了
05/06 15:57, 37F

08/11 13:09, , 38F
投到連痛都怕你 那就不 https://muxiv.com
08/11 13:09, 38F

09/12 21:29, , 39F
我倒是覺得上兩樓腦補十 https://daxiv.com
09/12 21:29, 39F
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