[情報] Maddon創意打線再進化

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Maddon not afraid to use slugger in No. 2 spot 麥登不害怕在第2棒排上強打者 http://tinyurl.com/6ueon45 金哈克曼又一創意想法? 阿 是剛獲得總教練排名第一的Maddon想把C.Pena跟L.Scott排到第2棒 (以下快速翻 有誤請指正~) PORT CHARLOTTE, Fla. -- Joe Maddon has never been one to adhere to conventional wisdom for the sake of adhering to conventional wisdom, which leads to the topic of the Rays' No. 2 spot in the batting order. 西瓜從來就不是個會堅持常規的人,所以他有了把大家都排在4.5棒的強打者 放到第2棒的想法 Right now there is a good chance that either Luke Scott or Carlos Pena will fill the second spot in the batting order. Using either of the sluggers in the second spot runs counter to conventional wisdom, a fact that doesn't rattle the Rays' manager in the least. 現在看來是L.Scott跟C.Pena會打第2棒了 "I just think [conventional wisdom is] all based on the perception that a No. 2 hitter has to be a guy who can bunt, hit-and-run and move the runners," Maddon said. "It doesn't happen anymore. That's not part of the game right now. 西瓜如是說:我想常規都是說第2棒是適合助攻型的打者(短打.打帶跑...) 但現在不太一樣了 "You might see it a little bit on the National League side, but it's not part of our game. That's the day of the shortstop, all-glove, no-bat guy that would move the leadoff hitter who got on. And hopefully the three or four guy [would drive them in], because at that time, the three-run homer was not as prominent as it is today. It was just a whole different way of thinking back then." "這種想法是舊時代的產物啦,那時候游擊手只有守備 但不會打擊,所以只能當助攻者 然後球隊希望剩下的3.4棒可以把跑者送回來,因為那時全壘打不像現在那麼多" Maddon summarized by saying he didn't think he had to have a No. 2 hitter that fit "that old school schematic or template of what it's supposed to look like." "It's not what it's supposed to look like anymore," Maddon said. 西瓜認為老舊的想法不適用在第2棒了 When asked if he remembered any power hitters hitting in the No. 2 spot and having success, he immediately brought the name Jim Edmonds into the conversation. 當西瓜被問到有哪個例子,西瓜說了一個人"Jim Edmonds" "Jimmy hit for some really good power numbers," Maddon said. "I think that was in '95, '96, '97, something like that. Jimmy hit in the two-hole very productively." In theory, hitting Scott or Pena in the second spot would allow either slugger to see more fastballs when leadoff hitter Desmond Jennings reaches base because Jennings is a base-stealing threat. Conversely, when the pitchers go to breaking pitches to combat the No. 2 hitter laying in wait for the fastball, Jennings can take advantage by stealing second. 就理論上 第2棒打者會看到更多的快速球(因為Jennings有著極佳的速度) 若投手投變化球 Jennings更會盜壘(也越容易成功) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 1.171.108.101

04/03 12:29, , 1F
A-Rod都打過二棒了 二棒排強打不算太奇怪吧
04/03 12:29, 1F

04/03 12:30, , 2F
球員:反正你都馬是丟骰子決定的,不要嘴炮啦
04/03 12:30, 2F

04/03 12:30, , 3F
印象中Carlos Beltran在當時Killer Bees也是打二棒
04/03 12:30, 3F

04/03 12:31, , 4F
去年Longoria好像打過一棒
04/03 12:31, 4F

04/03 12:33, , 5F
光芒游擊手只有守備 但不會打擊 沒錯啊
04/03 12:33, 5F

04/03 12:34, , 6F
不過前天建寧三轟還滿屌的,說不定有效果??
04/03 12:34, 6F

04/03 12:34, , 7F
老實說長時間打2棒的強打者幾乎沒有 A-Rod也沒很多場
04/03 12:34, 7F

04/03 12:35, , 8F
二棒排能打的已經是現代棒球的普遍作法啦
04/03 12:35, 8F

04/03 12:35, , 9F
不一定是很強的打者 但是要是很能打的
04/03 12:35, 9F

04/03 12:36, , 10F
即使是熱愛小球推進的說蝦 二棒還是會擺Kendrick
04/03 12:36, 10F

04/03 12:38, , 11F
沒什麼吧 派老爹這種的打第二棒才算有創意吧XD
04/03 12:38, 11F

04/03 12:38, , 12F
現代棒球常擺雙箭頭的關係嗎?
04/03 12:38, 12F

04/03 12:41, , 13F
應該說是西瓜似乎不太會讓2棒作觸擊之類的
04/03 12:41, 13F

04/03 12:41, , 14F
因為H.Kendrick能打 contact跟speed都好
04/03 12:41, 14F

04/03 12:45, , 15F
Jayson Werth去年也打過二棒
04/03 12:45, 15F

04/03 12:50, , 16F
09水兵 一棒一朗上壘 二棒Branyan大風扇幹出牆
04/03 12:50, 16F

04/03 12:50, , 17F
然後三到九棒都是自殺棒
04/03 12:50, 17F

04/03 12:54, , 18F
THE SHOW 電腦常常會自己把強棒放前面3棒
04/03 12:54, 18F

04/03 13:01, , 19F
西瓜:所以我決定排Sonnanstine打2棒....咦?人勒
04/03 13:01, 19F

04/03 13:16, , 20F
NYY:我早就打葛審之類的強打放2棒了
04/03 13:16, 20F

04/03 13:19, , 21F
C.Pena似乎也是台大風扇@@?
04/03 13:19, 21F

04/03 13:23, , 22F
蠻特別的人選~都是很會選偶爾幹隻大的~投手壓力挺大的
04/03 13:23, 22F

04/03 13:26, , 23F
C.Pena應該不算風扇吧!? 有點守備砲瓦低一點的亞當蛋???
04/03 13:26, 23F

04/03 13:27, , 24F
西瓜真的越來越有創意XD
04/03 13:27, 24F

04/03 13:55, , 25F
這個想法倒是非常符合數據派的想法 XD
04/03 13:55, 25F

04/03 14:01, , 26F
Pena也算是風扇一支了........
04/03 14:01, 26F

04/03 14:07, , 27F
DUNN還不算風扇?XD
04/03 14:07, 27F

04/03 14:25, , 28F
蛋不是只有三種情況嗎 HR K BB
04/03 14:25, 28F

04/03 14:55, , 29F
三振那麼多不是風扇是什麼
04/03 14:55, 29F

04/03 14:55, , 30F
上壘率高,一直揮空還是台風扇呀
04/03 14:55, 30F

04/03 15:30, , 31F
Pena是台大的喔
04/03 15:30, 31F

04/03 15:33, , 32F
倒是從Jennings要是在壘上 投手的配球受影響這點
04/03 15:33, 32F

04/03 16:17, , 33F
風扇不該是形容Chris DAVIS這種打不倒球的人嗎 潘娜HR不少
04/03 16:17, 33F

04/03 16:22, , 34F
風扇就是K很多的啦 那種摸不到球了是更強的電風扇
04/03 16:22, 34F

04/03 18:11, , 35F
滿有意思的 不受常規束縛這點滿值得鼓勵~
04/03 18:11, 35F

04/03 18:15, , 36F
Pena OBP不賴啊
04/03 18:15, 36F

04/03 18:32, , 37F
應該只有中職教練,才會在二棒排自殺棒吧
04/03 18:32, 37F

04/03 18:55, , 38F
二棒排個高上壘率的短槍當滷蛋很不錯啊
04/03 18:55, 38F

04/03 19:04, , 39F
西瓜這招粉柯南早就用爛哩
04/03 19:04, 39F

04/03 19:20, , 40F
Pena:一場5K 把把出千 我要成為風扇王
04/03 19:20, 40F

04/03 19:24, , 41F
05A-Rod球季後半打二棒 該年MVP
04/03 19:24, 41F

04/03 20:11, , 42F
二棒除了JETER 誰都可以
04/03 20:11, 42F

04/03 20:30, , 43F
Granderson去年砲管變大支 一樣打二棒阿
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04/03 22:15, , 44F
高橋由伸還打過一棒咧
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04/04 09:07, , 45F
強打二棒不稀奇,排在八九兩棒,就很稀奇了
04/04 09:07, 45F

04/04 14:06, , 46F
Hi
04/04 14:06, 46F

05/02 15:25, , 47F
重點要放就放一整季....
05/02 15:25, 47F
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