Re: [情報] Yadier molina $75M for 5 year?

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※ 引述《loed ()》之銘言： : [情報] Yadier molina $75M for 5 year? : Yadier molina and #stlcards are in agreement on extension terms, believed to : be $75M for 5 yrs. Shd be finalized soon : https://twitter.com/#%21/JonHeymanCBS/statuses/174844369696862209 : Cardinals To Extend Yadier Molina : By Tim Dierkes [February 29, 2012 at 7:28am CST] : The Cardinals are in agreement on contract extension terms with catcher Yadier : Molina, tweets Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. Heyman believes it's a five-year,$75MM : contract. On Monday, Joe Strauss ofthe St. Louis Post-Dispatch tweeted that : terms were all but finalized, while Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports said a contract : in the $70-75MM range was veryclose. Molina is represented by Melvin Roman of : MDR Sports Management. : Molina, 29, is considered by many to be the game's best defensive catcher.His : offense took a leap forward in 2011, as he posted a .305/.349/.465 line in 518 : plate appearances. Molina has been durable, averaging 145 games over the last : three years including the postseason. The $15MM salary and five-year term : probably represents market value for Molina, but it may have been more : difficult for GM John Mozeliak to hammer out a deal after the season. : Molina's contract is the third-largest in baseball history for a backstop, : behind Joe Mauer's $184MM and Mike Piazza's $91MM. On the Cardinals, Molina is : second only to Matt Holliday in average annual value. This is Molina's second : multiyear deal with the Cardinals, as they locked him up affordably four years : ago. : The 2012-13 free agent class for catchers remains deep with Molina off the : board, with Miguel Montero, Mike Napoli, Russell Martin, and Chris Iannetta. : http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/cardinals-to-extend-yadier-molina.html THURSDAY: The deal is for five years and $75MM with no money deferred, Rosenthal tweets. It will be announced this afternoon. 簽了 5y/75M沒有延遲付款 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/03/cardinals-to-extend-yadier-molina.html -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 175.180.116.142
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03/02 00:52, , 1F
1年15m 條子慘了 拿胖會要更多......
03/02 00:52, 1F
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03/02 00:56, , 2F
看今年吧!!
03/02 00:56, 2F
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03/02 01:32, , 3F
........
03/02 01:32, 3F
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03/02 01:58, , 4F
好像貴了點...
03/02 01:58, 4F
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03/02 06:34, , 5F
Napoli跟他差很多吧?
03/02 06:34, 5F
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03/02 06:46, , 6F
Napoli生涯OPS+129，Molina生涯OPS+88.....
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03/02 06:49, , 7F
防守樂勝就是了，不過WAR還是輸
03/02 06:49, 7F
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03/02 08:40, , 8F
我知道摸小弟防守很強 但是15m感覺還是有點多
03/02 08:40, 8F
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03/02 09:54, , 9F
15M...他有這麼威嗎?
03/02 09:54, 9F
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03/02 10:11, , 10F
他今年打擊長出來 算是國聯數一數二的攻守兼備捕手
03/02 10:11, 10F
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03/02 10:11, , 11F
15M我覺得可以接受
03/02 10:11, 11F
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03/02 10:12, , 12F
當然前提是他一直維持這樣的攻守表現
03/02 10:12, 12F
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03/02 10:13, , 13F
你也說A-GON是游擊炮.....
03/02 10:13, 13F
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03/02 10:41, , 14F
A-Gon以SS來說 長打是真的不差啦
03/02 10:41, 14F
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03/02 10:41, , 15F
當然這完全不代表他的打擊很好
03/02 10:41, 15F
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03/02 11:18, , 16F
放掉普神，再不給莫小弟乾脆點，GM出門就得小心了
03/02 11:18, 16F
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03/02 12:12, , 17F
打了這麼多年OPS+第一次超過100...我是沒什麼信心啦
03/02 12:12, 17F
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03/02 12:15, , 18F
他是靠防守的，你一直提他打擊幹嘛
03/02 12:15, 18F
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03/02 12:25, , 19F
最好是靠防守 靠防守還能15M 那他二哥好歹可以拿個10M
03/02 12:25, 19F
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03/02 12:34, , 20F
Jose的打擊爛到連防守都救不起，Yadi有還可以的打擊
03/02 12:34, 20F
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03/02 12:34, , 21F
防守更是贏過Jose
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03/02 12:35, , 22F
Jose的防守有比他弟差嗎?
03/02 12:35, 22F
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03/02 12:39, , 23F
兩人防守在不同檔次
03/02 12:39, 23F
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03/02 12:41, , 24F
近四年有人剛好每年拿15M，但這四年每年WAR只有一年
03/02 12:41, 24F
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03/02 12:42, , 25F
跟Yadi相同，其他都只大概一半多一點
03/02 12:42, 25F
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03/02 13:12, , 26F
這只能說明那個人也overpaid..........
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03/02 13:13, , 27F
光靠防守拿5Y/15M也太厲害了吧？
03/02 13:13, 27F
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03/02 13:22, , 28F
15M有點多...
03/02 13:22, 28F
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03/02 13:23, , 29F
防守沒話說 但不能保證接下來都能複製去年的打擊成績
03/02 13:23, 29F
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03/02 13:26, , 30F
我用字錯誤，抱歉。紅雀是要買他的防守+還可以的打擊
03/02 13:26, 30F
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03/02 13:27, , 31F
貴到噴了好嗎，YADI打擊成績只好了一年。
03/02 13:27, 31F
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03/02 13:33, , 32F
過去四年他WAR最低是3.0，大約是12M的價值，貴到噴是
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03/02 13:33, , 33F
指那3M?
03/02 13:33, 33F
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03/02 13:35, , 34F
他一次簽了五年，他都29了C這個位置他可以蹲多久？
03/02 13:35, 34F
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03/02 13:36, , 35F
加上一年好的打擊，之後快不能蹲時丟他去DH？
03/02 13:36, 35F
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03/02 13:38, , 36F
再蹲個五年其實很正常阿@@
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03/02 13:39, , 37F
能蹲個五年，年年120是超強..
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03/02 13:41, , 38F
可以蹲到合約結束
03/02 13:41, 38F
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03/02 13:47, , 39F
只要能夠蹲到35歲上下就好 打擊只要能維持剛退休的老
03/02 13:47, 39F
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03/02 13:47, , 40F
隊長的水平(OPS+ 100+-) 這約就還算合理了
03/02 13:47, 40F
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03/02 13:48, , 41F
不過Varitek中間有連3年OPS+ 120就是
03/02 13:48, 41F
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03/02 13:49, , 42F
他才29是憑什麼不能蹲五年?近五年也只有一年不到120場
03/02 13:49, 42F
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03/02 14:00, , 43F
阿等等，紅鳥沒dh。
03/02 14:00, 43F
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03/02 14:01, , 44F
你可以去查一下上面有人解釋的阿。
03/02 14:01, 44F
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03/02 14:15, , 45F
蹲到35歲會很奇怪嗎
03/02 14:15, 45F
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03/02 14:16, , 46F
他又不像Mauer那樣受過很重的傷
03/02 14:16, 46F
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03/02 14:17, , 47F
即使像Varitek這種動過肩膀手術的 35歲還是主力
03/02 14:17, 47F
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03/02 14:34, , 48F
最好的情況是能蹲到35然後打擊一直不掉，這約還比較
03/02 14:34, 48F
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03/02 14:35, , 49F
OK，除了上述情況之外，提前綁約的狀況還15m，
03/02 14:35, 49F
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03/02 14:35, , 50F
這個我就很不能理解了，他去FA會有這個價嘛？
03/02 14:35, 50F
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03/02 14:38, , 51F
其實最簡單的比較 同樣是29 歲時打出生涯最佳獲得複數年約
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03/02 14:40, , 52F
還有另一個人就是Bautista 他是4yr/52M
03/02 14:40, 52F
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03/02 14:50, , 53F
應該看，現階段 35 歲左右還能蹲120場的現役捕手有誰？
03/02 14:50, 53F
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03/02 14:53, , 54F
Bill James研究是 捕手經常在career G 超過1300~1400後在這
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03/02 14:55, , 55F
位置表現下滑 其實是看場數
03/02 14:55, 55F
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03/02 14:58, , 56F
不過我覺得能 1.3 ~1.4K G的捕手的樣本應該就不多了。
03/02 14:58, 56F
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03/02 15:01, , 57F
不過其實我想摸小弟不管在數據派或傳統派都會喜歡這種球
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03/02 15:02, , 58F
員,很難講他真的進了FA會有什麼價格...
03/02 15:02, 58F
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03/02 15:03, , 59F
當然這不是絕對啦
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03/02 15:34, , 60F
恩.....
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03/02 18:08, , 61F
等著看近兩年的McCann會簽到什麼價碼 XD
03/02 18:08, 61F
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03/02 18:18, , 62F
難道McCann要18M才簽得下嗎XD
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03/02 18:32, , 63F
反正今年紅鳥又沒留下普神 簽高了些又沒差 一堆人在酸
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03/02 18:33, , 64F
啥 (呵欠)
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03/02 18:41, , 65F
沒有酸吧...這篇就是要討論合約 大家發表看法不行嗎?
03/02 18:41, 65F
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03/02 18:42, , 66F
生涯阻殺率44%... 好像蠻屌的= =
03/02 18:42, 66F
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03/02 20:57, , 67F
貴了些沒錯，但沒有貴到噴啊，原本合理預估是12M
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03/02 20:58, , 68F
打擊是不一定都能像今年，但沒意外再蹲五年是沒問題的
03/02 20:58, 68F
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03/03 00:14, , 69F
打擊有去年之前水準 外加防守 已經符合合約金額
03/03 00:14, 69F
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03/03 00:15, , 70F
哪來貴到噴的論點? 他到FA 價格不會差太多
03/03 00:15, 70F
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03/03 01:34, , 71F
樓上，打擊是他生涯年，接下來還有五年啊....
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03/03 01:34, , 72F
問題就是打一年的成績是問號阿，他如果進FA能拿這個
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03/03 01:35, , 73F
這個價格，那幹麼提前綁阿......
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03/03 01:36, , 74F
CJ兩年好成績都被質疑到暴了，為啥一年就可以信阿..
03/03 01:36, 74F
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03/03 01:39, , 75F
他能蹲完五年當然好，萬一蹲不到就變板凳暴徒...
03/03 01:39, 75F
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03/03 02:04, , 76F
你得考慮的是大聯盟期待一個什麼樣的補手.....
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03/03 02:05, , 77F
摸小弟在守備端的能力是補手中最好的貨,加上又有打擊...
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03/03 02:06, , 78F
還有過去幾年的蹲補場數加沒有受傷的問題....
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03/03 02:09, , 79F
這種表現基本上不管你是哪一派的FO都會喜歡...
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03/03 02:10, , 80F
光這一點就讓很難去評他進FA的價格...
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03/03 12:51, , 81F
他防守比Napoli好超多，天差地遠
03/03 12:51, 81F
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03/03 12:58, , 82F
本版 #1B0EVxmt 那篇M文，裡面就說不要過度信任捕手的WAR
03/03 12:58, 82F
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03/03 13:40, , 83F
基本上 現在所有的捕手防守數據都不能過度信任
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03/03 13:41, , 84F
配球 指揮 甚至是靈氣(?) 都沒辦法量化
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03/05 16:49, , 85F
HE WORTHY IT
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