[外電] 《Philly.com》史上最佳五人

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※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板 #1HlhN_f0 ] 作者: kenny1300175 (蘇湖) 看板: NBA 標題: [外絮] 《Philly.com》史上最佳五人 時間: Mon Jun 17 15:08:45 2013 The best NBA players of all time By Ed Rendell Posted: Saturday, June 15, 2013, 2:22 AM 先給名單... PG: Magic Johnson SG: Michael Jordan SF: LeBron James PF: Tim Duncan C: Wilt Chamberlain 以下為評選原因... Center: The competition boiled down to Chamberlain, Russell, Kareem Abdul Jabbar and O'Neal. It was awfully hard to choose. You could make a case for all four of them. Jabbar had a great field goal percentage at 56 percent, shot well from the line, scored almost 25 points per game and won six championships. O'Neal was a dominant defender and a points/rebounds machine. He shot an even better 58 predent from the field. But in the end, the choice came down to Russell vs. Chamberlain. Russell averaged 15 points per game, whereas Wilt averaged an incredible 30.1 points per game. Both claimed more than 22 rebounds a game. The advantage shifts to Russell when you consider he led his team to 11 championships, while Wilt won only two. But in the end, Wilt wins my vote because he was a very good defender and perhaps the most incredible offensive force ever to play the game. Just for example take the 1961-1962 season when Wilt averaged 50.4 points per game - no one has ever come close to those figures. 中鋒:在這位置上的人選有張伯倫、Bill Russell、Jabbar、O'Neal,這真的很難選。 他們四個都有入選的理由。 Jabbar 生涯FG%高達56%,場均25分,6個總冠軍。O'Neal在攻防兩端都具統治力, 生涯FG%更是達58%,但最終還是必須得在張伯倫及 Russell 間做出選擇。 Russell 場均得分只有15分,張伯倫則高達30.1分,兩人場均都超過22籃板。 Russell 帶領球隊拿下11個冠軍,張伯倫只有2個冠軍。 最終我還是選了張伯倫,因為他是個非凡的防守者及在比賽中無與倫比的攻擊力。 舉例,1961-62球季,張伯倫場均拿下50.4分,前無古人。 Power forward: I considered four players in making my selection here - Elvin Hayes, Karl Malone, Moses Malone and Tim Duncan. Again, all had great numbers and were pretty equal in rebounds and assists, but in the end, it was a pretty easy choice to go along with my friend Hal and select Tim Duncan. He won the statistical war by virtue of having already blocked 2,652 shots, which is almost 900 more than any of the other three. But even more important, his teams have won four championships. Some he won with the help of another great big man, David Robinson, and some he won without any dominant center, and we may well be watching him win his fifth. 大前鋒:這位置上有Elvin Hayes, Karl Malone, Moses Malone, Tim Duncan 等人選。 這些人都有著大量的得分+籃板+助攻。但最終我選了 Duncan。 TD 的火鍋已經達到2652個,比其他三人都多出大約900個,更重要的是, Duncan的球隊已經得到4個總冠軍,現在大家可能會看到他贏下第5個總冠軍。 Small forward: This was the cast that had the most great players. Players such as George Gervin, Billy Cunningham, John Havlicek and Rick Barry didn't even make the final group. There were four contenders, our very own Charles Barkley and Erving, Bird and James. Doctor J was the first NBA player to play above the rim, and he changed the game forever. Bird was the consummate team player who did everything well. Charles was a fine scorer and an incredible rebounder considering his 6-4 height. But LeBron was the clear choice here. Not only has he scored more points by far than any of the other three, but no one can compete with his rebound and assist total, which he has accomplished in only 10 seasons! But the thing that distinguishes him the most from anyone else is his defense. LeBron is without a doubt the most dominant non-center defensive player in NBA history. 小前鋒:我考慮過 George Gervin, Billy Cunningham, John Havlicek 和 Rick Barry 等候選人,但最終都沒進入這名單。 最後剩下 Barkley + J博士 + 大鳥 + LBJ 等四人在競爭。 J博士是第一個在籃框上打球的人,改變了比賽的型態。 大鳥是一個完美的團隊球員各方面都出色。 Barkley 考慮到他的身高,一個不錯的得分好手及籃板怪物。 但最終我選了 LBJ,LBJ 的得分比其他三個人要多,且籃板和助攻沒人能與他 抗衡。LBJ 最與眾不同的是他的防守,毫無疑問,他是NBA歷史上非中鋒位置 最具統治力的防守球員。 Shooting guard: There are only three contenders for this category- the great Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and Jerry West. Surprisingly, West stacked up fairly well statically. He averaged 27 points, 5.8 rebounds and 6.7 assists. Kobe was 25.5, 5.3 and 4.8, respectively. And although Michael scored more points, 30.1 points per game, West was close in rebounds and surprisingly had more assists. When you realize that West scored his points without the benefit of the three-point shot (at which he would have been unbelievable) his stats are even more impressive. But he won only one championship as opposed to Jordan's six and Kobe's five. And wasn't anywhere close to Kobe and Michael as a defender. Statistically, Kobe and Michael are very close and in some ways it's hard to distinguish, but Michael may have been the best defending guard in the history of the NBA, andthe best clutch performer so he wins. 得分後衛:這位置上只有三個人選-- Jordan、Kobe、West。 儘管 West 場均有27分5.8籃板6.7助攻,Kobe 場均 25.5分5.3籃板4.8助攻, Jordan 場均可拿下 30.1分,但助攻不及 West,不過考慮到 West 的年代 尚未統計三分球,你會對他的數據印象更深刻。 但 West 只有一個冠軍,Jordan 有6個, Kobe 有5個, 某些方面來說,Kobe 和 Jordan 是非常接近的,但 Jordan 可能是歷史上 最好的防守後衛,而且投關鍵球的能力更為出色。 Point guard: In the end, there were four candidates - John Stockton, Bob Cousy, Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson. All were great distributors, and Stockton, surprisingly, was the best long-range shooter in the lot, shooting 38 percent from three-point range, (though, to be fair, Oscar did not play in the three-point era). I had to eliminate Cousy because he shot only shot 37.5 percent from the field and the championships he won were in part attributable to an incredible supporting cast. Stockton did not score anywhere close to the remaining two. So it was Oscar vs. Magic. Oscar scored six points per game more (without the benefit of three-point line), but was similar to Magic in rebounds and slightly behind in assists. The deciding factors were, again, defense and championships. Oscar won only one title while Magic won five. Oscar was named league MVP once, and Magic earned the award three times. And though Oscar was a good defender, Magic was a great one. Magic's versatility was also key. He could play all five positions on the court (Sixers fans will remember when Jabbar got hurt and he played center and killed us). So in a very close one, Magic is my pick. 控球後衛:4個候選人---老史、Cousy、大O、魔術。 他們都是偉大的助攻者,老史有38%的三分命中率是個很好的長射手。 但我必須先把 Cousy 從名單出去除,因為他的命中率只有 37.5%, 當中老史的得分不及大O及魔術,所以最終我只能在大O及魔術中抉擇。 大O場均得分比魔術多六分,籃板差不多,助攻少一點。 最終決定性因素在於防守及冠軍。 大O拿下1冠,魔術5冠,大O拿了1次MVP,魔術拿了3次。 兩人都是很好的防守者,但魔術的多功能性成了決定因素。 在場上魔術能勝任所有位置。 (七六人球迷還記得 Jabbar 受傷,魔術代打那次吧?) 最終我還是選了魔術。 http://ppt.cc/pWch ...... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.167.119.101

06/17 15:09, , 1F
看了今天的表現 LBJ還是再等等吧
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LBJ換成Bird 其他沒意見
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PIP表示:
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沒老皮?
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雖然說有喬丹的隊伍也不需要其他關鍵殺手了
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沒Bird 而且中鋒有兩個更怪物的賈霸和俠姬 怎麼選也
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不會選到張真人
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沒有LaoDa 零分
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06/17 15:12, , 9F
我覺得kidd的名單比較強 應該會整合的很好
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06/17 15:13, , 10F
名單放LBJ把整隊毀了
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06/17 15:13, , 11F
LBJ今天守誰?
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06/17 15:14, , 12F
lbj防守有這麼鬼神嗎?
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06/17 15:14, , 13F
LBJ只打三節的話是沒意見 第四節就要換人了
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06/17 15:14, , 14F
除了追魂鍋外 真有這麼神?
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06/17 15:15, , 15F
沒有大夢??
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LBJ防守輸PIPPEN吧 不夠黏
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06/17 15:16, , 17F
目前LBJ是冠軍戒指最少的
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06/17 15:16, , 18F
SF放Bird 強化外線跟球的流動
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06/17 15:17, , 19F
怎麼都只看數據和冠軍數
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06/17 15:17, , 20F
這篇好多點都好怪....
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老皮完全被忽略 XD
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LBJ在打五年,個人生涯成績可以匹配最佳SF
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這五個一隊的話 LBJ立馬神隱
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首先中鋒的Mikan再度被忽略
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06/17 15:18, , 25F
叫MJ出來挑一組人馬跟他配比較有意思 應該會選Bird
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LBJ的防守是不錯,但有像老皮那麼老練嗎?
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06/17 15:18, , 27F
PF人選中,Moses Malone應該是C
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06/17 15:18, , 28F
George Mikan是草創時期的吧? 被忽略也正常
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06/17 15:18, , 29F
把薪水納入考量的話 老皮就會入選了
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06/17 15:19, , 30F
XD薪水
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06/17 15:19, , 31F
結論下的很奇怪
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06/17 15:20, , 32F
SF人選中,Gervin應該是SG,Cunningham應該是PF,
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06/17 15:20, , 33F
LBJ已經出現了 真可怕
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06/17 15:20, , 34F
還有Baylor被忽略
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06/17 15:22, , 35F
最後是PG,Cousy命中率看起來很低,但50年代聯盟命中
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06/17 15:22, , 36F
率本就偏低,Cousy至少有該年代後衛的平均水準了
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06/17 15:22, , 37F
還有Magic是很好的防守者???
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06/17 15:23, , 38F
Magic代打中鋒那場只是掛名,打得根本不像中鋒
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06/17 15:24, , 39F
中鋒換歐肥 小前換BIRD
06/17 15:24, 39F
還有 199 則推文
06/17 18:24, , 239F
不用一直講體重
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06/17 18:25, , 240F
80年代以前的球員 的確看起來都比較瘦一點
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06/17 18:25, , 241F
即使體重沒差太多 但是看照片就知道差一點
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這我也不能肯定為什麼 也許是訓練有差 也許營養有差
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06/17 18:25, , 243F
講體重沒用的
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06/17 18:26, , 244F
比方D.Robinson那個肌肉比歐肥還可怕,但他也不到300
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你是指這個吧
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06/17 18:26, , 246F
那又是另外一種層次了
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06/17 18:28, , 247F
http://0rz.tw/U9Wfy 跟這張比的話 我想現代中鋒幾乎
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都比這個壯吧
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06/17 18:29, , 249F
拿廣角是要怎麼比
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06/17 18:29, , 250F
http://0rz.tw/SleVa 還有這個
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06/17 18:29, , 251F
這張總不是廣角吧
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06/17 18:30, , 252F
我覺得看起來瘦大概是2個理由:1.肌肉線條不明顯 2.
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06/17 18:30, , 253F
以前穿很短的短褲,腿就看起來顯長顯細
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06/17 18:30, , 254F
應該是肌肉量的問題
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06/17 18:31, , 255F
第二張照片那個上臂肌肉真的是細長型的
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06/17 18:32, , 256F
第2張是他高中時...而且雙手向旁伸平本來就會變細
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06/17 18:33, , 257F
我前面都找了張76人時期的照片了,那張算瘦的話,能
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舉出5位現役壯中鋒嗎?
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06/17 18:42, , 259F
跟我想的一樣
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06/17 18:43, , 260F
你那張如果看時間 應該是1967 10/1?
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06/17 18:46, , 261F
季前照片不太準吧...張伯倫季前 季中 有時候差二十磅
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也有..
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而且那時候也已經比較晚期了
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06/17 18:47, , 264F
哈哈 魔術是很好的防守者 這傢伙有在看球嗎
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06/17 18:48, , 265F
還舉對七六那場來說明 魔術能勝任場上所有位置XD
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06/17 18:56, , 266F
Bird換LBJ 其他沒意見+1
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06/17 19:00, , 267F
冠軍賽鬼隱的傢伙也可以最佳五人??
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06/17 19:01, , 268F
張柏倫也是不知所謂 一個季後賽就烙賽的比Shaq好
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06/17 19:11, , 269F
LBJ在這隊裡面根本碰不到球好嗎....壞了這鍋粥了
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06/17 19:29, , 270F
球只有一個 Kidd的比較能贏
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06/17 19:38, , 271F
LBJ應該換成Bird 無誤
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06/17 19:49, , 272F
我覺得賈霸沒比張伯倫強,只是比較持久
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06/17 20:12, , 273F
其實把數據給鄉民,寫出來的東西跟這個差不了多少
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06/17 20:15, , 274F
LBJ換Pippen 謝謝!
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06/17 21:07, , 275F
Bird>>>LBJ
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06/17 21:53, , 276F
那麼久的人拿來跟現在比身材?
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06/17 23:47, , 277F
歐肥最胖時不是有號稱350磅~
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