Re: [新聞] 湖人球員認為必須改變陣容，按兵不動並不可行

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補幾個The Athletic湖人記者Bill Oram提及的不同面向 https://bit.ly/34uv7PA 僅意譯部分重點，不逐字翻。 --- 1) 現在的LBJ與AD，很不想承認龜是球隊的第三巨頭 The night ended with all members of the Lakers big three on the sideline and a playful Westbrook patting James on the head and tapping Davis as encouragement. The two stars barely acknowledged the third member of their trio. 2) 湖人想要做季中大調整，但THT跟Nunn不被視為有價值的標的，且只剩2027首輪簽 But his recent benchings paint a clear picture of the Lakers’ issues and underscore just how miserable this season has become and how few options remain. It is impossible for anyone, including many within the organization, to see a path back to contention without major changes. The Lakers would almost certainly be in for a major shakeup prior to Thursday’s deadline if not for the fact that their most tradeable players — Kendrick Nunn and Talen Horton-Tucker — are not seen as attractive targets by other teams and the only first-round pick they have to trade can’t be used until 2027. 3) 換龜這筆由LBJ跟AD策劃/推動的交易，已可列名於NBA的最糟管理決策史冊之中 The Lakers have backed themselves into a corner, most urgently with Westbrook. The trade — championed, if not orchestrated, by James and Davis — can already be counted among the worst management decisions in NBA history. 4) 在被公鹿打爆之前，湖人是傾向忍到休賽季，再拿龜+兩支首輪去換另一個頂薪球員 Sources have indicated that the Lakers no longer believe they can win at a high level with Westbrook alongside James and Davis, but prior to Tuesday the line of thinking was that the Lakers would be unwilling to wave the white flag and admit their summer blockbuster was a failure. Instead, they would prefer to wait until the offseason, when they could also include a 2029 pick in a potential deal for another max-contract player looking for a new home. 5) 但被打爆之後球隊產生了緊迫感。湖人是否會被迫提前梭哈，拿龜+2027首輪去換牆？ But the tone after Tuesday’s loss suggested the Lakers are in need of more immediate action. Could things be so dire that the Lakers would be better off including that ’27 pick in a swap now — say for Houston’s John Wall? — even if it means a lesser return? Desperation got the Lakers into this mess and it might take desperation to get them out. 6) 德軟休賽季其實有意願回鍋湖人，擔任龜的替補，但佩林卡拒絕與德軟方接洽 Rob Pelinka, VP of basketball operations, discarded the remaining core of the title team for Westbrook — leaving almost no escape routes — opted not to counter Chicago’s offer for Alex Caruso and declined to engage with the oft-maligned point guard Dennis Schröder, who, according to league sources, was up for returning to the Lakers as Westbrook’s backup before eventually signing with Boston for the mid-level exception with the Celtics. (Then there’s the deal the Lakers gave to Kendrick Nunn, who has not yet played this season due to a bone bruise in his right knee.) 7) 為了挽救賽季而貿然燃燒資產是很危險的。2019年魔術與佩林卡已經示範過了(Zubac) Nobody expects Pelinka to untangle all of that before Thursday’s deadline and he is an uncomfortable spot. By now, it should be his job that is drawing scrutiny. But there is a risk of being too aggressive and wasting assets to salvage a season that can’t be saved. You can’t make a mistake like trading Ivica Zubac for Mike Muscala, as Pelinka and Magic Johnson did in 2019. 8) 不管佩林卡承受了多少壓力與不滿，現實是他手頭上的資源可能不足以去改變現況 In the end, Pelinka may not have the flexibility to do anything to address the growing dissatisfaction with the course of this season — no matter how much pressure he feels, and should feel, to fix the team he assembled. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 99.240.162.168 (加拿大) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Lakers/M.1644434423.A.E7B.html
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02/10 03:28, 2年前 , 1F
滿滿的絕望感……
02/10 03:28, 1F
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02/10 03:35, 2年前 , 2F
龜龜如果留下 希望明星賽過後可以奇蹟爆發..
02/10 03:35, 2F
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02/10 03:37, 2年前 , 3F
就真的高層自己的鍋 開季的陣容缺陷就很明顯
02/10 03:37, 3F
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02/10 03:38, 2年前 , 4F
謝謝提供文章
02/10 03:38, 4F
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02/10 03:38, 2年前 , 5F
冰龜
02/10 03:38, 5F
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02/10 03:39, 2年前 , 6F
不過這篇很厲害 把包丟給 AD 和 老頭
02/10 03:39, 6F
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02/10 03:41, 2年前 , 7F
開始鬥AD跟老漢？
02/10 03:41, 7F
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02/10 03:44, 2年前 , 8F
閨蜜群應該喜歡這篇
02/10 03:44, 8F
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02/10 03:45, 2年前 , 9F
推 感謝翻譯
02/10 03:45, 9F
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02/10 03:45, 2年前 , 10F
兩個首輪能換那個頂薪球員？比爾小李鬍子都不夠吧
02/10 03:45, 10F
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02/10 03:51, 2年前 , 11F
聽說巫師想要龜龜回去，明年簽換比爾有可能嗎？
02/10 03:51, 11F
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02/10 03:54, 2年前 , 12F
巫師想要的前提是龜先被買斷 不是跟你換Beal….
02/10 03:54, 12F
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02/10 04:01, 2年前 , 13F
可是明年比爾可以跳出合約變FA，他要是想來湖人，巫師
02/10 04:01, 13F
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02/10 04:01, 2年前 , 14F
簽換換兩個首輪應該可行
02/10 04:01, 14F
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02/10 04:03, 2年前 , 15F
我是覺得不要再幻想了，到底巫師為什麼要跟你換？
02/10 04:03, 15F
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02/10 04:03, 2年前 , 16F
問題是湖人缺的是夠高夠快能守的
02/10 04:03, 16F
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02/10 04:04, 2年前 , 17F
而且照湖人現在這樣的慘況，是有誰想要來？
02/10 04:04, 17F
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02/10 04:13, 2年前 , 18F
所以龜換牆還有一個好處 避免高層再拿更多
02/10 04:13, 18F
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02/10 04:13, 2年前 , 19F
籤做白癡的事 現在不貼首輪清龜 休賽季行情更
02/10 04:13, 19F
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02/10 04:13, 2年前 , 20F
差能換的人也不會更好 高層就繼續做三星夢吧
02/10 04:13, 20F
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02/10 04:15, 2年前 , 21F
人家要的是底薪的西河，而不是47M的聲仔，Beal要換也
02/10 04:15, 21F
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02/10 04:15, 2年前 , 22F
不會來找西河好嗎
02/10 04:15, 22F
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02/10 04:17, 2年前 , 23F
巫師要的是淨身出戶的西河 不是大約在身的
02/10 04:17, 23F
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02/10 04:18, 2年前 , 24F
可以看見湖人高層完全沒想留27首輪，還打算送出29的
02/10 04:18, 24F
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02/10 04:18, 2年前 , 25F
到底為什麼要幫湖人高層擔心「沒首輪怎麼辦啊」
02/10 04:18, 25F
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02/10 04:31, 2年前 , 26F
所以27首輪清龜換牆已經不只是止損，而是避
02/10 04:31, 26F
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02/10 04:31, 2年前 , 27F
免繼續做三星夢的高層休賽季更失心瘋賠上更多籤 閨
02/10 04:31, 27F
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02/10 04:31, 2年前 , 28F
蜜高層不會有籤留著好好使用的選項
02/10 04:31, 28F
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02/10 04:38, 2年前 , 29F
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02/10 04:38, 29F
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02/10 04:40, 2年前 , 30F
所以 該 Free 老人家了
02/10 04:40, 30F
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02/10 04:45, 2年前 , 31F
要是老詹不爽離開了 湖人只剩AD 資產也不多 很可能再
02/10 04:45, 31F
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02/10 04:45, 2年前 , 32F
一次黑暗期
02/10 04:45, 32F
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02/10 04:50, 2年前 , 33F
Free 就 free both
02/10 04:50, 33F
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02/10 04:50, 2年前 , 34F
高層這樣黑暗期剛好而已
02/10 04:50, 34F
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02/10 04:51, 2年前 , 35F
真的剛好
02/10 04:51, 35F
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02/10 04:51, 2年前 , 36F
Let Dodgers manage
02/10 04:51, 36F
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02/10 05:16, 2年前 , 37F
今天詹跟龜都列Questionable，有機會看到龜第一次缺
02/10 05:16, 37F
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02/10 05:16, 2年前 , 38F
陣嗎？
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02/10 05:29, 2年前 , 39F
忍到休賽季就是等最後一年約換溢價長約了吧
02/10 05:29, 39F
還有 865 則推文
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02/10 10:57, 2年前 , 905F
現在也不行場場40分鐘了啦 場場40分鐘等一下就傷停了
02/10 10:57, 905F
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02/10 10:57, 2年前 , 906F
季初一堆亂七八糟的錯誤，要拚兩年現在只能繼續賭下去
02/10 10:57, 906F
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02/10 10:57, 2年前 , 907F
相反,我反而覺得現在才止血太晚,早點換搞不好少輸幾
02/10 10:57, 907F
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02/10 10:58, 2年前 , 908F
你看2348戰術當初多猛，現在0648我感覺威力弱了不只一
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02/10 10:58, 2年前 , 909F
半
02/10 10:58, 909F
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02/10 10:58, 2年前 , 910F
場...
02/10 10:58, 910F
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02/10 10:58, 2年前 , 911F
現在可能30分鐘都在前十都有些吃力了
02/10 10:58, 911F
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02/10 10:58, 2年前 , 912F
難道還想要一個37明年38的老人 玩I TAKE FIVE喔><
02/10 10:58, 912F
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02/10 10:58, 2年前 , 913F
人會老...這哪有辦法，本來希望AD能多扛一點的
02/10 10:58, 913F
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02/10 10:58, 2年前 , 914F
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02/10 10:58, 2年前 , 915F
姆斯是真的老了,扛不住這麼重的龜殼
02/10 10:58, 915F
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02/10 10:58, 2年前 , 916F
姆斯不夠，姆斯+回春AD+爆氣Monk+健康Melo夠不夠呢
02/10 10:58, 916F
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02/10 10:59, 2年前 , 917F
只能放推了。龜龜練球投籃好不好？
02/10 10:59, 917F
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02/10 10:59, 2年前 , 918F
可以加能上場的魔獸嗎XD
02/10 10:59, 918F
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02/10 10:59, 2年前 , 919F
可以，剛剛是推文放不下XDD
02/10 10:59, 919F
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02/10 10:59, 2年前 , 920F
乾我真的覺得魔獸還是很有油的啊
02/10 10:59, 920F
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02/10 11:00, 2年前 , 921F
我好想看到他上場啊
02/10 11:00, 921F
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02/10 11:00, 2年前 , 922F
如果不是AD回春，誰願意討論貼籤換牆啊。
02/10 11:00, 922F
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02/10 11:00, 2年前 , 923F
打龜的高PACE就是不能用DH，證明無數場了
02/10 11:00, 923F
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02/10 11:00, 2年前 , 924F
DH 頂 15 分鐘應該還是可以的
02/10 11:00, 924F
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02/10 11:01, 2年前 , 925F
DH頂15分鐘的前提就是清掉那個龜。
02/10 11:01, 925F
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02/10 11:01, 2年前 , 926F
魔獸上場也不會上多久馬上就被冰回去了 誰不想看到
02/10 11:01, 926F
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02/10 11:01, 2年前 , 927F
他上場==
02/10 11:01, 927F
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02/10 11:01, 2年前 , 928F
魔獸真的沒辦法搭龜啊，要嘛折返跑要嘛被換出去
02/10 11:01, 928F
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02/10 11:01, 2年前 , 929F
結論就是龜的高PACE跟整隊都老人 瞎子都知道的不合
02/10 11:01, 929F
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02/10 11:02, 2年前 , 930F
MDA示範過了，為了龜把餅皇換掉，國民黨打中鋒
02/10 11:02, 930F
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02/10 11:02, 2年前 , 931F
DH會跟龜搶空間所以有龜就沒辦法放DH,偏偏龜一場都能
02/10 11:02, 931F
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02/10 11:02, 2年前 , 932F
然後季後賽贏了湖人一場球
02/10 11:02, 932F
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02/10 11:03, 2年前 , 933F
上場35+分鐘,所以DH就被壓縮時間了
02/10 11:03, 933F
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02/10 11:10, 2年前 , 934F
真的不用陪龜打高速戰了....效益太差而且他又要撿防守
02/10 11:10, 934F
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02/10 11:10, 2年前 , 935F
籃板才要衝
02/10 11:10, 935F
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02/10 11:26, 2年前 , 936F
Russ:為了奪冠可以犧牲.BUT…Family is everything
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02/10 11:45, 2年前 , 937F
王桑最近好衝QQ 放寬心吧，我們在這裏講那麼多也無
02/10 11:45, 937F
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02/10 11:45, 2年前 , 938F
濟於事，又不是布魯斯韋恩可以直接買下湖人隊XD
02/10 11:45, 938F
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02/10 11:50, 2年前 , 939F
推 分享文章
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02/10 12:10, 2年前 , 940F
BR直接把鍋丟給姆斯，換wall是姆斯說的喔
02/10 12:10, 940F
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02/10 12:18, 2年前 , 941F
以龜的狀態真的可以不用再期待龜會爆發了，還不如期
02/10 12:18, 941F
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02/10 12:18, 2年前 , 942F
待THT跟AD回穩
02/10 12:18, 942F
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02/10 14:05, 2年前 , 943F
C哥，好吧你對，這場打完看來可以不用換了
02/10 14:05, 943F
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02/10 16:21, 2年前 , 944F
Vogel 問題是冰箱不會開
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