Re: [新聞] 易建聯合約實際價格

看板Lakers作者 (La Jolla)時間7年前 (2016/08/25 01:01), 編輯推噓26(26034)
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http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q74 簡單總結 a) bonus算不算到薪資空間裡,會依據likely或not likely去區分,前者會算進去, 後者不會。通常都是用去年的成績來區分,但有時候如果勞資雙方不同意用去年成績 來區分的話,則會指定中立仲裁人來決定。 b) not likely的bonus上限是該合約正常薪資的15%。而合約的第一年裡,不論是likely 或是not likely的bonus金額都必須符合正常的薪資帽規定。 ==>Yi的合約所有金額都要符合薪資帽規定 ==>季末結算豪華稅的時候,我就不是很清楚是不是還用likely/not likely去區分, 或是會依照實際有沒有達標來區分了,不知道有沒有強者可以回答? c) 附帶一提,底薪合約不能有任何bonus條款 74. Can incentives be built into a contract? How do they apply to team salary? There are three categories of allowable incentives: performance, academic/physical achievement, and extra promotional. The latter two categories are always included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. Performance incentives are classified as either "likely to be achieved" or "not likely to be achieved," with only the likely incentives included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. The determination of whether an incentive is likely or unlikely is based on whether the criterion was achieved in the previous season. For example, if a player had seven assists per game the previous season, then an incentive based on seven assists per game would be classified as likely to be achieved, but one based on eight assists per game would be classified as not likely. If either the league or players association feels that the previous season does not fairly predict the performance in the current season, then a jointly-selected expert determines whether the default classification should be overruled. This can happen when the player was injured the previous season. Unlikely bonuses in any season are limited to 15% of the player's regular salary in that season. In the first season of a contract the base salary, likely bonuses and unlikely bonuses must all fit within the salary cap or exception. The league determines a team's available room under the cap or an exception by adding in the unlikely bonuses for all players who signed that season. This prevents a team from signing multiple players to lower salaries but with lots of unlikely bonuses that collectively exceed the cap room it has to offer. For example, if the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception is $5 million and this exception is used to sign a player to a contract with $2 million in base salary and $200,000 in unlikely incentives, then only $2.8 million of their Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception can be used to sign other players. Incentives must be structured so that they provide an incentive for positive achievement by the player or team, and are based upon numerical benchmarks (such as points per game or team wins) or generally recognized league honors1. The numerical benchmarks must be specific -- for example, a bonus may be based on the player's free throw percentage exceeding 80%, but may not be based on a relative measure such as the player's free throw percentage improving over his previous season's percentage. Certain kinds of incentives are not allowed, such as those based on the player being on the team's roster on a specific date or for a specific number of games. All performance incentives are re-evaluated at the start of each season to determine whether they should be classified as likely or not likely to be achieved. Performance incentives are recomputed when a player is traded, but only if they are team-related and based on the previous-season performance of the team. For example, suppose Team A won 25 games last season, and Team B (with the league MVP) won 55. Also suppose the MVP has a performance incentive that is based on his team winning 30 games. Going into the season this incentive would be classified as likely to be achieved, since his team (Team B) won 55 games the previous season. Now suppose this player is traded to Team A in exchange for draft picks. The incentive would be recomputed upon the trade, and in this case would be reclassified from likely to unlikely to be achieved, since the player's new team won fewer than 30 games the previous season (even though adding the MVP should easily push Team A's win total above 30).2 Other rules related to incentives: Minimum salary contracts cannot contain bonuses of any kind. The rules for raises (and decreases) also apply to incentives. When salary increases or decreases are limited to 4.5% or 7.5%, then likely and unlikely bonuses may each increase or decrease by 4.5% or 7.5%, respectively (see question number 55). If a contract with bonuses is extended (see question number 60), then the extension must have the same bonuses. The bonus amounts may increase or decrease by up to 7.5%, but they can't be left off. The Amnesty provision has specific rules related to incentives. See question number 69 for more information. 1 Generally recognized league honors includes MVP, Finals MVP, Defensive Player of the Year, Sixth Man, Most Improved Player, All-NBA Team (first, second and third), All-Defensive Team (first and second), and All-Star selection. 2 An interesting case of bonus recomputation occurred during the 2013-14 season. Luke Ridnour had a performance bonus that was based on his team making the playoffs. At the start of the season he played for Milwaukee, which had made the playoffs the previous season, so his bonus was classified as likely. Ridenour was later traded to Charlotte, which had missed the playoffs the previous season, so his bonus was reclassified to unlikely upon the trade. Therefore, Ridnour ironically went from having a likely bonus he wasn't going to earn, to having an unlikely bonus he was going to earn. ※ 引述《PTTTTER (帶著微笑就好)》之銘言: : 借這篇的標題問一下 : 如果合約部份底薪為一百萬 獎金為七百萬 : 那套用在薪資上限上 是用前者還是後者? : 如果是後者 如果沒有達到可拿獎金的門檻又如何計算? : 先謝謝各位的回答了 : ※ 引述《Boogie74 (Boogie)》之銘言: : : 版上前陣子的兩種說法, : : 底薪vs八百萬 應該有了結論, : : 答案很有可能是兩種都對, : : 根據幾篇最新的報導結果表示, : : 易建聯與湖人同意的合約可能是非保障的底薪合約, : : 隨著易建聯的表現以及待在球隊的時間長度, : : 會有激勵獎金的方式往上增加, : : 而增加的最大值即為八百萬美金。 : : 意指如果湖人開季後很快的便將易建聯開除, : : 他可能只能拿到最低的百萬餘元, : : 若等到季末則可能拿到最多八百萬美金。 : : - : : 部分相關新聞原文: : : The Lakers and Chinese star Yi Jianlian are in the final stages of completing a deal for the forward to return to the NBA, said league officials who were not authorized to speak publicly about the contract. : : Yi’s contract would be for the veteran’s minimum of $1.139 million that could reach “several million more” if he reaches some wide-ranging incentive bonuses in the deal, one official said. : : But the deal hasn’t been completed yet because Yi and the Lakers are still waiting for clearance on several fronts that could “happen soon or could take a while,” one of the officials said. : : http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-lakers-ln-yi--20160817-snap-story.html -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 59.115.155.237 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Lakers/M.1472058078.A.47D.html

08/25 08:00, , 1F
微離題,照你附的條例解說,第四段最後一句提到不能以日期
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08/25 08:01, , 2F
或參賽數當作獎勵,那這樣之前傳出來的各種情報(包括理查
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08/25 08:01, , 3F
在NBA版提到的)都不成立唉?
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08/25 08:06, , 4F
而季末結算那個感覺不太重要,Yi的base 1M unlikly bonus
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08/25 08:06, , 5F
最高也才150k而已..
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08/25 08:08, , 6F
啊當我沒說,找到了,#21有說不管likely與否 是算實拿
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08/25 13:34, , 7F
http://goo.gl/14J4Rj Eric Pincus 有整串的解釋
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08/25 13:35, , 8F
因為是超過15%,所以他如果沒被釋出,59場比賽後就吃薪資空間
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08/25 13:36, , 9F
15%以內的才能算bonus
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08/25 13:37, , 10F
但Yi的合約交易價值很高
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08/25 15:13, , 11F
就算8m進了薪資空間,咱也沒有人能簽,明年又空出來,沒啥
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08/25 15:13, , 12F
好計較的
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08/25 22:56, , 13F
對球迷來說只要沒影響明年空間 1年花多少錢都沒差啊
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08/25 23:49, , 14F
對某些人來說當然有差囉,因為他們認為Yi是戰力外的
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08/25 23:49, , 15F
角色,只可守開特力,就是Ryan Kelly 2.0啊!噢對了
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08/25 23:49, , 16F
,還有覺得他是中國人,自以為很愛台灣,看個球也要
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08/25 23:49, , 17F
扯政治www
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08/26 00:15, , 18F
還是覺得Yi比Kelly強多了
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08/26 00:15, , 19F
Kelly不只體能差 還很玻璃
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08/26 00:28, , 20F
老實講我也覺的易比上將好 而且我不排斥中國大陸的
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08/26 00:35, , 21F
如果他今天不是中國人負面評論肯定沒那麼多
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08/26 00:36, , 22F
討厭中國跟討厭yee是兩件不同的事 不應該因為身分討厭
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08/26 00:37, , 23F
他 說真的不管簽誰 反正才一年 我覺得都是好操作
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08/26 00:41, , 24F
易的合約細節出來了 總版~
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08/26 00:44, , 25F
的確啦 Yi不是中國人的話討論不會這麼多 不過這可能就是
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08/26 00:44, , 26F
球團簽他的目的之一啦
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08/26 00:57, , 27F
我今年選秀還有點希望賭周琦咧 XD
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08/26 01:43, , 28F
痛痛人獎金XDDDDDD
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08/26 08:04, , 29F
周的顏值不喜歡(喂
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08/26 08:26, , 30F
還好沒選周 看周在奧運各種慘
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08/26 08:32, , 32F
要有顏值的新秀就找這位~~ 不佔球權不用上場時間又
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08/26 08:32, , 33F
年輕潛力無窮 而且球衣都穿好了(被拖走
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08/26 08:34, , 34F
此周非彼周啊 有興趣的請洽twice版(廣告
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08/26 10:01, , 35F
酸迷怎麼講,隨他們去; 選秀前周琦順位一度比Maker高,我
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08/26 10:05, , 36F
還覺得2輪能選到他,就賺翻了; 覺得簽Yi不佳,中國血統絕
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08/26 10:05, , 37F
對是少部份,表現才是球迷最關心的
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08/26 11:24, , 38F
說實在我覺得yee還不錯帥 周就是老鼠臉
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08/26 11:42, , 39F
老鼠臉XDDD這樣對嗎
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08/26 11:44, , 40F
說真的沒什麼好酸的 又不是簽長約 就算是保障合約也不占
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08/26 11:44, , 41F
未來薪資空間 就是CP值不高的打工仔而已
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08/26 11:45, , 42F
如果我們是季後賽隊伍 最後一張拼圖補Yi不爽可以理解
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08/26 11:45, , 43F
問題現在不是 剩下人選也沒啥好挑的
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08/26 12:13, , 44F
剩下了還是有人選阿 我有一批便宜好用的老將要不要~
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08/26 12:47, , 45F
看他們要不要來啊 也看他們接不接受一年約
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08/26 15:31, , 46F
連老大都稱讚Yi 看來我不該否定他的 應該早幾年來!
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08/26 15:32, , 47F
Pau走了 應該補他 來個易曼巴連線可以殺入季後賽
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08/26 16:05, , 48F
其實易剛進聯盟我也有點期待
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08/26 17:36, , 49F
那時候還年輕 不用拿那時候標準預設現在一樣
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08/26 17:49, , 50F
線在如果能當稱職陪練的我已經覺得很滿意了
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08/26 21:58, , 51F
http://bbs.hupu.com/17149775.html 這篇寫的不知是
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08/26 21:59, , 52F
否正確,說薪資和交易都算8M,交易到易的球隊裁掉只
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08/26 21:59, , 53F
需付1.1m,能因此省錢
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08/26 22:51, , 54F
如果是這樣的話,其實是不錯的交易贈品
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08/26 23:11, , 55F
難道 易+老尖~下一支新球隊 0.0
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08/26 23:14, , 56F
奧運後的第一筆交易~76人VS爵士
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08/27 00:34, , 57F
其實我也是滿期待椅子易的啦XD
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08/27 01:36, , 58F
反正他做甚麼都會被放大關注 大概比林在湖人更慘w
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08/27 09:13, , 59F
我只關心vc56何時要復出
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08/27 09:42, , 60F
就人肉 TE, CBA 下次應該要修掉的東西
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