Re: [外電] info- Bullshit time

看板Lakers作者 (It's the end to me)時間8年前 (2015/11/17 19:40), 8年前編輯推噓50(50067)
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Byron Scott's "man up" movement should start with himself BS 的硬起來行動應該由他開始 The Los Angeles Lakers lost to the Phoenix Suns 120-101 on Tuesday night, their 9th loss in their first 11 games, tying their worst 11-game start in franchise history,according to ESPN Stats and Information. 湖人101-120敗給了太陽,這是他們前11場的第九敗,追平湖人隊史最爛的前11場戰績。 The team has looked the part on the court, and their efficiency ratings back it up: as of Tuesday night, the Lakers possessed the NBA's fourth worst defense, offense, and net rating. The ultra-pipe dream of playoff contention the team professed during the lead-up to the regular season is over. 他們場上的表現名符其實,效率值更是證明一切。湖人目前防守效率、進攻效率與效率 淨勝值都是聯盟倒數第四。原先他們幻想的季後賽行列,在剛開季不久就結束了。 In addition to not being a very good basketball team, there were a few factors making things worse on the Lakers on Tuesday night. The team was playing in the dreaded home and away back-to-back, only getting in to Phoenix at around 1:00 on Tuesday morning after getting their second win of the year in a hard fought game against the Detroit Pistons the night before in Los Angeles. Lakers head coach Byron Scott did not want any excuses about fatigue after the team hung with the Suns for three quarters before giving up a 40 point fourth quarter as Phoenix pulled away: 湖人除了不是很好的籃球隊外,還有些因素讓他們看起來更糟。他們這場是主-客的背靠 背疑移動,在主場擊敗活塞,拿下本季第二勝後,湖人拖到凌晨一點才到達鳳凰城。對於 球隊撐了三節,第四節被拿下40分而落敗,BS不想拿體力當藉口。 「我一直聽到有人說這是背靠背的關係,那根本是狗屁。籃球就是你做好準備,然後上 場。」 「我們的球員雖然努力,但對方的拼勁是我們的10倍。解決的方法只有硬起來。」 This is at least the second time Scott has called his players' manhood into question after a loss. This is problematic for a number of reasons, not the least of which are the vaguely sexist undertones, but Scott is a product of a different time and probably did not mean it like this, so I will assume he was basically equating "manning up" with toughness here. 這至少是BS第二次在輸球後,表示是球員不夠硬的問題。但這有很多意思,雖然不確定 他真正的意思為何,但在這基本上我就認為他說的是球員要強硬起來。 That's a problem because some lack of being "men" or "toughness" or "grit" is not to blame for the Lakers problems. This is a roster full of mostly poor defensive players outside of Roy Hibbert and flashes of Larry Nance, Jr. 這是個問題,因為有些不man、不硬的作為,並沒有因此得到責罵。這個陣容除了 Hibbert 和 Larry Nance Jr. 之外,大多都是不會防守的球員。 Compound that with Scott's increasingly baffling decision to continue to play Brandon Bass at center and you have the recipe for a 40-point quarter from the Suns. 加上BS持續增加胡扯的調度,讓 Bass 不斷去打中鋒,那麼得到的結果就是讓太陽在第四 節得到40分。 The Lakers trailed 80-75 entering the fourth quarter. The team promptly gave up 21-11 run as Bass once again was run out by Scott as the five-man with Marcelo Huertas, Nick Young, Lou Williams, and Larry Nance, Jr. Replace Nance, Jr. with Ryan Kelly and that is basically the worst defensive lineup the Lakers could play. The first issue was being unable to recover from turnovers like this one: 湖人在第三節結束以75-80落後,但隨後BS推出 Bass 擔任中鋒,搭配 Huertas、Young、 Lou 與 Nance,立馬被打出一波21-11的攻勢。假如把 Nance 換成 Kelly,那就是湖人 能夠擺出的最爛防守陣容。像發生這樣的失誤,就幾乎沒救了: https://goo.gl/l61wPX This was a sloppy giveaway from Huertas, who telegraphed his pass when he cocked his arm back, giving T.J. Warren an easy steal and dunk. Huertas' tipping off defenders with his movements like this was an issue I worried would give him trouble once opponents had more tape on him, and that flared up here. 那是 Huertas 漫不經心的失誤,當他高舉單手來傳球,基本上就是跟 T.J. Warren 打暗 號,請他抄球然後灌籃。像他這樣的舉動,就是我一直以來所擔心的,當對手研究他更多 的影片後,他就會陷入困境,就跟這場一樣。 The Lakers' transition defense was bad, but runouts will kill any team. The bigger issue was the team's halfcourt defense. You may want to avert your eyes, because things got ugly: 湖人的半場防守問題更大,你可能會想轉移視線,因為以下畫面相當難看 https://goo.gl/CbbA0P Brandon Knight got his first career triple-double against the Lakers, and the team made it easy on him in the fourth when Scott did not even pretend to prioritize protecting the rim based off of his lineup choices. Here Lou Williams loses Warren on a backcut while he and the rest of the Lakers' defense watch Knight, and Nance, Jr.'s rotation is too late to save an easy basket. Knight拿到他生涯首度大三元,湖人在第四節讓他過得更輕鬆,因為BS連裝都不想裝,排 出一個無法保護籃框的陣容。Lou 讓 Warren 輕鬆空切的畫面,其他人就站在那看,而 Nance Jr. 雖然有輪轉,但也太慢了,根本無法守住這球。 On this possession Knight ran a simple pick and roll with Alex Len. No one bumped Len on his way to the rim or even bothered to cover him once he got there, and the Suns scored another easy basket. 至於這波進攻,Knight 一個簡單的擋拆,之後 Len 一路上都沒遇到任何人,一點干擾 都沒有。太陽再次輕鬆得分。 https://goo.gl/SUorzK That possession ended the bloodshed for that lineup, which had an almost incoceivable net-rating of -64.6 in the fourth quarter. Meanwhile: 最後這個組合,在第四節的效率淨勝值為-64.6分,反觀湖人先發組合,在今天的比賽 中是+28.2分。 So Scott played an exclusively veteran lineup (other than Nance, Jr.) while his young core of Jordan Clarkson, D'Angelo Russell, and Julius Randle sat on the bench with Roy Hibbert (his best defender) while his team was competing in another winnable game. The lineup Scott chose was predictably horrible defensibly while the young pieces of the Lakers' future missed out on valuable development time, and then he decided to call out his team for their lack of "manhood" after the game. To be fair, Scott does not have a lot of good choices defensively, but it's hard to say he did not make one of the worst choices he could have based on those options. 所以BS特地排出了一個老將陣容,讓他的年輕核心 Clarkson、Russell與Randle在板凳和 Hibbert一起烤香腸。這原是一場有機會可以贏的比賽。 BS選擇了一個防守廢到不行的陣 容,然後讓湖人的未來希望錯過了寶貴的培養時間。 而BS選擇靠北自己的球隊,認為他們不夠硬。公平來說,BS確實沒有太多好的防守選擇, 但還是很難不讓人認為,他在所有選擇當中,挑了一個最爛的防守組合。 Growing up, my dad always told me that one of the most important things I needed to be able to do as I became a man was being tough enough to admit my mistakes. Maybe before the next time that Byron Scott calls out his players for not "manning up," he should "man up" and admit his. 醒醒吧,我爸一直告訴我最重要的事情就是身為男人,真正的硬起來就是承認我的錯誤。 或許下一次BS又要說球員不夠硬的時候,他自己應該先硬起來,承認他的錯誤。 -- BS的籃球教學 "This is what we talked about." "All of the things we talked about..." "The biggest thing that we talked about..." "Things that we talked about doing defensively we just didn't do." Then players, when asked if Byron talked to them individually about what they should do better- "No." "We haven't talked about it." -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.249.231.190 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Lakers/M.1447760424.A.AA4.html

11/17 19:44, , 1F
他的調度真的是讓他說啥話都是廢話...
11/17 19:44, 1F

11/17 19:45, , 2F
反正他一定要被電過才知道這組合不能用
11/17 19:45, 2F

11/17 19:45, , 3F
而且更像是他用擺出這麼不可思議的陣容然後無意外的被
11/17 19:45, 3F

11/17 19:46, , 4F
打崩 然後他再來靠邀都是球員在場上的表現造成的他們應
11/17 19:46, 4F

11/17 19:47, , 5F
該自己要在場上找到方法 一點事情都不關他...
11/17 19:47, 5F

11/17 19:47, , 6F
到底什麼時候要換教練啦,這樣下去雙R真的被養壞
11/17 19:47, 6F

11/17 19:48, , 7F
他應該就算被電過都是they的錯
11/17 19:48, 7F

11/17 19:48, , 8F
然後還會順帶連先發陣容一起靠北說都是她們的表現太鳥
11/17 19:48, 8F

11/17 19:48, , 9F
才讓我得擺其他的陣容在場上...
11/17 19:48, 9F
※ 編輯: kobeslaker (111.249.231.190), 11/17/2015 19:57:28

11/17 19:55, , 10F
我比較好奇BS帶今年勇士隊 能贏球嗎
11/17 19:55, 10F

11/17 19:55, , 11F
搞不好 他嫌curry 不夠硬Zzzzz
11/17 19:55, 11F

11/17 19:56, , 12F
廢物就是永遠只會找下面人扥責任 然後什麼屁能力都沒有
11/17 19:56, 12F

11/17 19:59, , 13F
簽名檔可以用 boozer 的話,更好笑XDD
11/17 19:59, 13F

11/17 20:01, , 14F
他只要持續讓Bass擺在C位,今年就甚麼都不用期待
11/17 20:01, 14F

11/17 20:25, , 15F
這篇太中肯了 會幹教練不是沒理由的
11/17 20:25, 15F

11/17 20:26, , 16F
BS比MB令我作嘔
11/17 20:26, 16F

11/17 20:33, , 17F
從熱身賽開季被電到現在還不夠嗎
11/17 20:33, 17F

11/17 20:34, , 18F
球團真的就放BS這樣繼續亂搞下去?看得下去?
11/17 20:34, 18F

11/17 20:42, , 19F
結果MB是這幾個教練裡最好的 XDDD
11/17 20:42, 19F

11/17 20:44, , 20F
明年選到Simmons,這一切都原諒他 XD
11/17 20:44, 20F

11/17 20:44, , 21F
選到一個壞兩個也沒用,還是早點走吧
11/17 20:44, 21F

11/17 20:54, , 22F
到底還能撐多久 後台真的那麼硬?
11/17 20:54, 22F

11/17 21:04, , 23F
就是這麼硬 你看魔術有放過話嗎 對比前一個教練 態度有夠噁
11/17 21:04, 23F

11/17 21:10, , 24F
這告訴我們一個教訓-只要一個團體有能稱為"大老"的出現
11/17 21:10, 24F

11/17 21:11, , 25F
要嘛把他們當屁少一點麻煩,不然就等著被他們害死
11/17 21:11, 25F

11/17 21:11, , 26F
bass打c是教練問題嗎?不然鄉民們認為bass該打那
11/17 21:11, 26F

11/17 21:13, , 27F
提醒大家ㄧ下,pf給紅茶南斯以後差不多沒時間了
11/17 21:13, 27F

11/17 21:14, , 28F
我不是早說了,當初Bass就是簽來當Randle的保險的,另外
11/17 21:14, 28F

11/17 21:15, , 29F
bass只剩三條路吧,打c,坐板凳,交易
11/17 21:15, 29F

11/17 21:15, , 30F
誰知道Nance繼續他的讓人驚訝的新人年,所以沒錯!現在的
11/17 21:15, 30F

11/17 21:16, , 31F
Bass一整個多餘,還不如當初去簽Biyombo多一個蓋鍋
11/17 21:16, 31F

11/17 21:17, , 32F
當C根本不行!他連打小球中鋒的能力都沒有(因為籃板太差)
11/17 21:17, 32F

11/17 21:18, , 33F
不過從培養新秀的角度來看,起碼這兩新秀都是真貨值得去養
11/17 21:18, 33F

11/17 21:18, , 34F
是阿 雖然Bass還簽佛心約 但現階段他似乎可有可無@@
11/17 21:18, 34F

11/17 21:19, , 35F
所以如果鄉民來排的話,bass要去陪kelly了
11/17 21:19, 35F

11/17 21:19, , 36F
Nance也是培養重點 所以Bass可能就要犧牲掉了
11/17 21:19, 36F

11/17 21:20, , 37F
bs聰明ㄧ點的話聽鄉民的 送他去冷藏區
11/17 21:20, 37F

11/17 21:20, , 38F
這筆小錢賠掉不用太心痛,他的合約才一年而已
11/17 21:20, 38F
還有 39 則推文
11/17 22:52, , 78F
重就會換 覺得沒差就留 一切都看高層怎麼想
11/17 22:52, 78F

11/17 23:09, , 79F
讓希伯特打滿48分鐘就好了嘛(挖鼻孔
11/17 23:09, 79F

11/17 23:13, , 80F
我說未必是教練問題,意思是不管誰來當教練
11/17 23:13, 80F

11/17 23:14, , 81F
bass都只有被冰或打c兩種可能,這是選擇問題
11/17 23:14, 81F

11/17 23:15, , 82F
bs選擇用他,鄉民想冰他,我覺得各有取捨
11/17 23:15, 82F

11/17 23:17, , 83F
bass有更好的用法不是這樣拿他來當C阿XD
11/17 23:17, 83F

11/17 23:17, , 84F
更別提拿來跟他搭另一個通常更慘
11/17 23:17, 84F

11/17 23:18, , 85F
他現在都跟南斯上,問題很慘嗎
11/17 23:18, 85F

11/17 23:20, , 86F
那是這幾場XDD想想之前上來的kelly阿
11/17 23:20, 86F

11/17 23:20, , 87F
問題是現在跟南斯上 鄉民也很有意見
11/17 23:20, 87F

11/17 23:21, , 88F
那除了冰還有什麼辦法
11/17 23:21, 88F

11/17 23:22, , 89F
Kelly早就冰了,他已經不是問題
11/17 23:22, 89F

11/17 23:28, , 90F
如果Black上能比他好,冰他有何不可
11/17 23:28, 90F

11/17 23:30, , 91F
重建中的球隊,老鳥找不到位置也是一海票
11/17 23:30, 91F

11/17 23:31, , 92F
既然擺C就是沒比較好,那冰起來也不會更傷了
11/17 23:31, 92F

11/18 00:07, , 93F
本來就是備胎,有甚麼好不能冰的???
11/18 00:07, 93F

11/18 00:07, , 94F
要馬就是搭配小黑或西伯打PF要馬冰,總比上場傷害好
11/18 00:07, 94F

11/18 00:26, , 95F
Kelly至少6'11 可能也比擺bass好
11/18 00:26, 95F

11/18 00:30, , 96F
鄉民鄉民的,請問您府上哪?
11/18 00:30, 96F

11/18 00:32, , 97F
辛苦您來鄉下發表高見了
11/18 00:32, 97F

11/18 00:32, , 98F
BS這個腦殘的 不論對方什麼陣容打什麼戰術
11/18 00:32, 98F

11/18 00:33, , 99F
他的輪值跟鬧鐘的設定都不會變
11/18 00:33, 99F

11/18 00:34, , 100F
而且他喜歡的 就算命中率低到可憐 都可以有無限開火權
11/18 00:34, 100F

11/18 00:37, , 101F
Bass明明就是PF用,拿去打中鋒,籃板被搶爽爽,哪裡只有
11/18 00:37, 101F

11/18 00:37, , 102F
打中鋒這個選項
11/18 00:37, 102F

11/18 00:38, , 103F
BS的選擇就是目前只有一勝的戰績,還不足以說明什麼嗎
11/18 00:38, 103F

11/18 00:39, , 104F
鄉民也有意見這句話 聽起來蠻刺耳的。。
11/18 00:39, 104F

11/18 00:40, , 105F
奇怪 用PTT不都是鄉民嗎XD 好像講的不是鄉民一樣
11/18 00:40, 105F

11/18 00:42, , 106F
更正,兩勝,輸到沒感覺少算上上一場
11/18 00:42, 106F

11/18 01:10, , 107F
你所謂的鄉民上去調度都比BS好吧
11/18 01:10, 107F

11/18 01:17, , 108F
是湖人有史以來最爛的教練沒錯吧?
11/18 01:17, 108F

11/18 01:22, , 109F
你們太小看BS了 BS不是常勝教練 但是他知道"怎樣不會贏"
11/18 01:22, 109F

11/18 01:25, , 110F
硬起來是bs的口頭禪嗎?
11/18 01:25, 110F

11/18 01:26, , 111F
我怎麼覺得從上一季聽到現在還是這三個字...
11/18 01:26, 111F

11/18 01:34, , 112F
他都要求虛幻的東西 什麼能量 打得強硬 毫無實際作為
11/18 01:34, 112F

11/18 03:00, , 113F
強硬? 那直接找一隊 NFL 來打肯定強硬
11/18 03:00, 113F

11/18 08:39, , 114F
NFL的天份打籃球應該也不會太爛喔XD
11/18 08:39, 114F

11/18 09:02, , 115F
推這篇 誰寫的阿 中肯
11/18 09:02, 115F

11/18 09:58, , 116F
Bass打C Kelly打PF的組合在熱身賽就被電過了 BS還是照用
11/18 09:58, 116F

11/18 10:45, , 117F
bass打C讓我想到前年76人要阿尼打C
11/18 10:45, 117F
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