Re: [討論] [討論]震憾彈！ICO的論文門裁定全文公告

看板HatePolitics作者Pietro (☞πετροσ1/47)時間2年前 (2021/12/05 19:28)推噓1(9推 8噓 35→)

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※ 引述《tontontonni (桶桶泥)》之銘言： : ICO公告全文 : https://tinyurl.com/39f8x7v7 : 引用ID ：airyptt 板友翻譯 : Decision (including any steps ordered) : 決議 : 1. The complainant has requested the names of the examiners who examined the the : n-Miss Tsai Ing-wen (now President of Taiwan) for her PhD and the report from he : r viva. The Council of the London School of Economics and Political Science (“t : he LSE”) denied holding the requested information. : 一個要求提供當時蔡英文的博士examiners以及蔡英文的viva報告的申訴已經被提出, 倫敦 : 政經(LSE)否定持有以上所要求的訊息 : 如果對於LSE : 取得博士學位步驟不清楚的可以查看 (https://info.lse.ac.uk/current-students/phd-ac : ademy/phd-journey) : 簡單的說跟台灣也差不多 : 2. The Commissioner’s decision is that, on the balance of probabilities, the LS : E does not hold the requested information. : Commissioner決議LSE沒持有被要求的訊息 : 3. The Commissioner does not require further steps. : 以上 : ----------- : Scope of the case : 案由 : 7. The complainant contacted the Commissioner on 28 May 2021 to complain about : he way his request for information had been handled. : 上訴方在5月28抱怨了此前關於訊息要求的處理方式 : 8. The Commissioner contacted the complainant on 8 November 2021. She pointed : ut that, at the time of the exam, the LSE did not have its own degree-awarding : owers and therefore any degrees were conferred on LSE students by the Universi : of London. She noted that she had already confirmed that the University of Lon : on held the information in question and that, even if the LSE also held the sa : information, it would be exempt from disclosure. She therefore invited the com : lainant to withdraw his request. : 委員會在11月8號聯絡的上訴方，委員會指出LSE在蔡英文取得學位當時沒有授予學位的? : 力，所以學位授予都是透過倫敦大學(University of London, UoL) ，委員會註明已經確倫敦大學持有過本案所要求的訊息， :即使LSE也持有過相同的訊息，但是因這些訊息被保 : 而不會公布。所以委員會期待(invite)上訴方撤回要求。 : 9. The complainant refused to withdraw his request and argued that the LSE’s : nial conflicted with its public statements to the effect that President Tsai’ : degree had been correctly awarded. : 上訴方拒絕並提出LSE的否定持有蔡英文examiner及口試報告訊息與LSE公布蔡英文學歷有 : 所衝突。 : 10. The Commissioner considers that the scope of her investigation is to determi : ne whether the LSE holds the names of the examiners and the viva report. 委員會 : 考慮到本案只是要找出LSE是否持有examiners的名字以及viva報告 : ---------------------------------------------------------- : Reasons for decision : 論據 : Section 1 (Held/Not Held) : 11. Section 1(1) of the FOIA states that: Any person making a request for inform : ation to a public authority is entitled – : (a) to be informed in writing by the public authority whether it holds informat : ion of the description specified in the request, and : (b) if that is the case, to have that information communicated to him. : 跳過，有興趣自己翻 : 12. In cases where a dispute arises over the extent of the recorded information : that was held by a public authority at the time of a request, the Commissioner : will consider the complainant’s evidence and arguments. She will also consider : the actions taken by the authority to check that the information is not held and : any other reasons offered by the public authority to explain why the informatio : n is not held. Finally, she will consider any reason why it is inherently likely : or unlikely that information is not held. : 13. For clarity, the Commissioner is not expected to prove categorically whether : the information is held, she is only required to make a judgement on whether th : e information is held on the civil standard of the balance of probabilities. : 免責聲明 : 14. The Commissioner has issued numerous decision notices concerning President : Tsai’s PhD award.1 These decisions record some of the background and controvers : ies about the degree and the Commissioner considers it would serve no useful pur : pose to repeat them here. : 15. The LSE reiterated in its response that, in 1984 (when the degree was awarde : d) all LSE students received their degrees from the University of London as it d : id not have the power itself to confer degrees. The University of London was res : ponsible for arranging and invigilating any examinations and the LSE would recei : ve a notification confirming that a particular student had been awarded a degree : . : LSE重申在1984年時所有LSE學生的學位皆由倫敦大學授予，而其中取得學位過程也由倫敦 : 大學負責，LSE則會收到倫敦大學通知確認學生是否被授予學位。 : 16. The LSE accepted that it did still retain President Tsai’s student record , : but that that record only dealt with her activities at the LSE – and this did n : ot include details of her final examination or viva. : LSE接受持有蔡英文學生活動紀錄的事實，但是此紀錄沒有包含蔡英文的final examinatio : n或是口試(viva)的詳細訊息。 : 17. The student record had been examined and no definitive record of the examin : ers had been found. Whilst one document indicated that a particular individual m : ight have been an examiner, the LSE had no way of cross-checking whether that in : dividual had in fact performed that role – and the LSE considered it unlikely t : hat they would have done so. : 該學生紀錄沒有發現一個明確的examiner。雖然該紀錄中有提到一個可能的examiner，但 : 是LSE不可能有辦法交叉確認該人是否為examiner- LSE並不認為他們會這樣做。(註: 因為 : 這一切都是由倫敦大學處理。) : 原Po補注：LSE由於無法交叉確認那人確實那時擔任了口試委員這個角色，因此認為這群人 : （they）(蔡英文,口委等等) : 當時不可能(unlikely)舉行了這場口試這段你自己的補注根本就是鬼扯。按照上下文，這個they明明是LSE 自己才對。 : 18. The LSE was satisfied that no relevant information had been destroyed and th : at the reason that it did not hold the information now was that it had never hel : d the information – because the information was held by the University of Londo : n. It had been able to confirm the authenticity of the degree based on the copy : of the notification it had received from the University of London, in 1984, conf : irming that President Tsai had been awarded a PhD. : LSE確認沒有相關訊息被銷毀，而LSE沒有持有這些訊息的原因是因為LSE從來沒有持有過這 : 些訊息-因為這些訊息是由倫敦大學持有。蔡英文學歷的真假是由倫敦大學的確認博士學位 : 通知來確認。 : ---------------------------------------------------------- : 經查倫敦大學 Senate House Library (https://london.ac.uk/senate-house-library/sea : rch?search=unfair%20trade) : 無法搜尋到蔡英文的紀錄。而蔡英文自己所稱的論文 "Unfair trade practices and safeg : uard actions" 也無法在倫敦大學圖書館裡找到 : 英國行政法院ICO判決：LSE否認遲持有蔡英文口試資料與口試委員。 : https://i.imgur.com/u5tRaGg.jpg

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「委員會註明已經確認倫敦大學持有過本案所要求的訊息」原來連ICO11月對Richardson投訴LSE的判決書都有提到倫敦大學的確持有口試資料。所以為什麼林環牆上週日發的臉書文章，彭文正在節目上的說法都宣稱LSE沒有就是不存在？桶泥你說說看啊 ----- Sent from JPTT on my Samsung SM-A217F. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 49.217.75.54 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/HatePolitics/M.1638703713.A.11A.html

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