[新聞] CNN揭台灣部隊「過時刺槍術」等問題 民眾憂上戰場恐變砲灰

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備註請放最後面 違者新聞文章刪除 1.媒體來源: 自由時報 ※ Yahoo、MSN、LINE等非直接官方新聞連結不被允許 2.記者署名: 〔即時新聞/綜合報導〕 Eric Cheung, CNN 3.完整新聞標題: CNN揭台灣部隊「過時刺槍術」等問題 民眾憂上戰場恐變砲灰 4.完整新聞內文: 我國為因應台海局勢升溫,恢復義務役一年役期並強化各項軍事準備,備戰狀況也成為外 媒關注焦點。《CNN》就此訪問台灣義務役退役民眾,坦言依照他們在軍中訓練情的情況 ,在戰場上可能會變成砲灰。 《CNN》報導,受訪的6位退役民眾指出,國軍這種包含刺槍術的訓練是為數十年前的環境 所設計,且缺乏城市戰戰術和無人機等現代武器的課程。此外,還有實彈射擊機會過少, 或是受訓使用的武器太過老舊等。 受訪民眾還提到,當時在連隊上有超過100把突擊步槍,但只有數十把能夠用來射擊,「 很多突擊步槍是數十年前所製造,許多已經老舊到不堪使用,武器得在我們之間輪換。」 另有民眾表示,「我們在軍事訓練期間沒有打過幾發子彈。我在接受T65步槍訓練期間僅 僅打了40發。」 另一名接受過砲訓的民眾回憶,「我們被指派一些簡易的任務,大多數時間都用來協助整 理或清理砲車。要是今天就打仗,我被告知要擔任砲兵,那麼我想我只會變成砲灰。」 報導指出,台義務役士兵都要接受體能訓練、步槍射擊和使用刺槍。但受訪者對花在刺槍 術上的時間抱持疑問,認為這是過時的項目,「我認為刺槍訓練純粹是浪費時間,因為我 真的想不到要如何實用」、「看看烏俄戰爭,用上了那麼多種類型的武器,又有哪個時候 得用刺槍術來對付敵人?」 報導提到,部分批評其實得到了台軍方的承認,國防部遂宣布在2024年新政策上路後,義 務役得至少射擊800發以上子彈,也將接受反戰車飛彈和無人機等新式武器訓練。刺槍術 也會進行調整,並納入其它形式的近戰訓練。義務役也會和志願役參與聯合軍事演習,基 礎訓練也從5週調升為8週。 ‘If war breaks out … I will just become cannon fodder:’ In Taiwan, ex-conscripts feel unprepared for potential China conflict By Eric Cheung, CNN Updated 8:36 PM EST, Fri January 20, 2023 Taipei, Taiwan CNN — Rising concerns over increasingly aggressive military maneuvers by China have prompted Taiwan to extend the mandatory military service period most of its young men must serve. But former conscripts interviewed by CNN say Taipei will need to do far more than that if it is to make the training effective. Outdated, boring and impractical. That was the verdict of six young men who spoke to CNN about their recent experiences of mandatory service in Taiwan’s military. They describe a process that was designed decades ago with a heavy emphasis on bayonet training, but lacking instruction in urban warfare strategies or modern weapons like drones. Some say there were too few rifles to go around, or that the weapons they trained with were too old to be of use. Others recount “specializing” in cannon, grenade and mortar units, but never receiving any ammunition to train with. Their criticisms come at a crucial time for Taiwan’s military. President Tsai Ing-wen announced recently that the period of mandatory service for men born in or after 2005 will be extended from four months to a year, saying that the present system “no longer suits the needs” of the island’s defense. The military says the rethink follows comparisons to the militaries of other democratic jurisdictions that have longer conscription periods – such as South Korea (18-21 months), Singapore (24 months) and Israel (24-30 months). Strengthening the island’s military has become a key concern for Tsai, who has spoken of the need to highlight Taiwan’s determination to defend itself amid increasingly aggressive noises from Beijing. The ruling Chinese Communist Party claims the self-governing democracy of 23.5 million people as part of its territory, despite never having controlled it, and has sent record numbers of air and sea patrols to harass it since former US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi visited in August. Chinese leader Xi Jinping has repeatedly refused to rule out the use of force to “reunify” the island with mainland China. “No one wants war,” Tsai said in announcing the lengthening of mandatory service periods in December. “This is true of Taiwan’s government and people, and the global community, but peace does not come from the sky, and Taiwan is at the front lines of the expansion of authoritarianism.” A military exercise in Taiwan simulates an invasion by China on Jan. 6, 2022. A military exercise in Taiwan simulates an invasion by China on Jan. 6, 2022. I-Hwa Cheng/Bloomberg/Getty Images ‘I only shot 40 rounds’ But former conscripts are skeptical, telling CNN the problems with mandatory military service go beyond the short time frame and will only be fixed by a more thorough revamp. Tsai herself has acknowledged that many citizens feel serving in the military is “just a waste of time.” “In our company, we had more than 100 assault rifles, but only slightly more than a dozen could be used for shooting practices,” said Frank Liu, a 26-year-old auditor from the central Changhua county who served in 2021. He said about 140 conscripts received training in his company. “A lot of those assault rifles were made many decades ago, and many were too worn out to be used in training. The weapons had to be rotated among ourselves.” Paul Lee, a factory manager from Taipei who served in 2018, had a similar experience. “We didn’t fire many rounds during the military training,” Lee said. “I was practicing with the T65 assault rifle, and I only shot about 40 rounds during the entire training period. “I’m concerned that many people who underwent the training with me won’t even be able to operate a rifle with confidence.” Reservists take part in military training at a base in Taoyuan, Taiwan, on March 12, 2022. Reservists take part in military training at a base in Taoyuan, Taiwan, on March 12, 2022. Sam Yeh/AFP/Getty Images Under the current rules, the four-month service period is normally divided into two parts: five weeks of basic training, and 11 weeks of ground training at a military base. During the ground training period, conscripts are often assigned specialties – but even then some say they receive only the most cursory of insights. Dennis, a 25-year-old engineer from Taichung city who served last year, said while he was assigned to specialize in cannons, he never learned how to fire them because trainers were worried the recruits might get hurt. He asked only to be identified by his first name because he remains a reservist. “We were assigned simple tasks, and we spent most of the time helping with cleaning and washing the cannon carts,” he said. “If war breaks out today and I am told to work as an artilleryman, I think I will just become cannon fodder.” FUJIAN, CHINA - AUGUST 24, 2022 - The PLA Navy and the PLA Army conduct a cross-day and all-factor live-fire red-blue confrontation drill in Zhangzhou City, Fujian Province, China, Aug 24, 2022. (Photo credit should read CFOTO/Future Publishing via Getty Images) War game suggests Chinese invasion of Taiwan would fail at a huge cost to US, Chinese and Taiwanese militaries Adam Yu, a 27-year-old designer from the northern Keelung city who served in 2018 and specialized in mortars and grenade launchers, said while he had been shown how to prepare the weapons, he had never been given any ammunition or practiced firing them. “I’m not sure if I can even operate those weapons,” said Yu, adding, “I still don’t know how those weapons are supposed to be used in the battlefield.” That sentiment was echoed by another former conscript surnamed Liu. The 28-year-old salesman specialized in data processing with the air force and received training in the southern Pingtung county in 2015. He too asked for his first name to be withheld, saying he may still be called upon for additional reservist training. “Our commanders barely taught anything during our ground training, because they felt we would only be here for a few months and it wouldn’t make much of a difference for them,” he said. New recruits practice with bayonets at a military training center in Hsinchu County, northern Taiwan on April 22, 2013. New recruits practice with bayonets at a military training center in Hsinchu County, northern Taiwan on April 22, 2013. Chiang Ying-ying/AP Bayonets? Taiwan has a professional volunteer military force that as of last year was made up of 162,000 full-time troops, according to a report by the Legislative Yuan. On top of this, an estimated 70,000 men complete a period of mandatory military service every year. Conscripts must undergo a period of physical training and are taught to shoot rifles and use bayonets. Several of those who spoke to CNN questioned the amount of time spent on bayonet training, arguing it was outdated, although some militaries continue to teach it in recruitment training programs. “I think bayonet training was just a waste of time, because I really couldn’ t think how we could put that into practice,” Frank Liu said. “Just look at the Russia-Ukraine war, there are so many types of weapons used. When does a soldier ever have to resort to a bayonet to attack their enemy? I think that was really outdated.” Yu, from Keelung, said his commanders had put huge emphasis on bayonet training because it made up part of the end-of-term examination. “We were ordered to memorize a series of slogans,” he said. “When we were practicing bayonet, we were required to follow the instructions of the squad leader with a specific chant for each movement, and we had to repeat it in the exam.” Lesson learned? Some of these criticisms were acknowledged, tacitly or otherwise, when Tsai announced the lengthening of the conscription period and in the subsequent news briefing by the Defense Ministry in early January. The ministry said that when the new policy begins in 2024, all conscripts will shoot at least 800 rounds during their service, and they will be trained with new weapons such as anti-tank missiles and drones. Bayonet training will be modified to include other forms of close combat training, it added, and conscripts may also participate in joint military drills with professional soldiers. Meanwhile, basic training will rise from five to eight weeks. Su Tzu-yun, a director of Taiwan’s Institute for National Defense and Security Research, which is funded by the government, said he is confident the reform will boost the island’s combat capabilities. He also thinks there is value in keeping bayonet training in the curriculum. “It helps boost a soldier’s courage and aggressiveness,” he said. “If soldiers engage in a mission that is not suitable for firing weapons, they may also use bayonet as an alternative option.” A CH-147F Chinook takes part in drills to show combat readiness ahead of the Lunar New Year holidays at a military base in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, on January 11. A CH-147F Chinook takes part in drills to show combat readiness ahead of the Lunar New Year holidays at a military base in Kaohsiung, Taiwan, on January 11. Annabelle Chih/Getty Images Su added that while modern weapons will be included in the new training curriculum, it would be impractical for every soldier to practice firing them because this would simply be too costly. “In the US, the training of Javelin [anti-tank missiles] is conducted through simulation, because each missile costs $70,000 and it is not possible for everyone to fire them,” he said. “Usually, the whole unit finishes the simulation, then the commander will pick a few soldiers to practice firing it. ” Taiwan’s Defense Ministry said in a statement to CNN that it has invited experts to numerous academic seminars on reforming the conscription system, and that it accepted many of their suggestions to boost training intensity. Doubts remain Even so, not everyone’s convinced. “I don’t think the lengthening of service alone will lead to better national defense,” said Lin Ying-yu, an assistant professor at Tamkang University’s Institute of International Affairs and Strategic Studies. He said the “more important questions” involved clarifying in detail the type of training new conscripts would receive. And on this point, the former conscripts who spoke to CNN remain skeptical. “When I saw they wanted to add drones to the training, my question was – are we going to have one drone per person and multiple chances to practice flying it?” Yu said. “If they stick to their old way of teaching, they will just tell us to follow their instructions and memorize its weight and flight distance, and we will not be able to operate it.” KAOHSIUNG, TAIWAN - JANUARY 11: Taiwan's armed forces hold two days of routine drills to show combat readiness ahead of Lunar New Year holidays at a military base on January 11, 2023 in Kaohsiung, Taiwan. The self-ruled island of Taiwan continues to hold defensive drills, as tensions remain high in the Taiwan straits. (Photo by Annabelle Chih/Getty Images) Taiwan to allow women into military reserve force training as China fears grow The fear for conscripts is that the new form of mandatory service might end up looking pretty much like the old form, only longer. “During my service, most of the time we were just asked to perform tedious tasks like moving weapons around to show our commanders, and we spent a lot of time waiting,” said Dennis, the engineer. It remains to be seen if conscripts’ time will be spent more fruitfully when the new rules come in next year, but all sides agree the stakes are high. “Active citizens are the foundation and the bedrock of our will to resist,” said Enoch Wu, founder of the civil defense think tank Forward Alliance and a member of Taiwan’s ruling Democratic Progressive Party. “If the public decides our home is not worth fighting for – or that we don’ t stand a chance – then you can have the most professional military and it will still be too little too late.” 5.完整新聞連結 (或短網址)不可用YAHOO、LINE、MSN等轉載媒體: https://news.ltn.com.tw/news/politics/breakingnews/4191145 https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/20/asia/taiwan-mandatory-mili tary-service-conscription-intl-hnk-dst/index.html 6.備註: 古早以前有白團,教我們「氣力體一致」、拔草測風向,將槍置於上風一臂可及之 處,脫盔欺敵,左欺敵, 右欺敵,欺敵欺敵再欺。 請問國防部的超級大大大學長、北極星超級大大大學長,同T、學弟妹,如果目測, 前方200公尺有可殺傷人員之自殺引信無人機,這個時候通知鄰兵接敵,開始左線預備 右線預備,射擊!! 但是都未命中目標。 這個候再拿出我大中華民國的「氣力體一致」、拔草測風向,將槍置於上風一臂可及之 處,脫盔欺敵,左欺敵,右欺敵,欺敵欺敵再欺。 我們真的可以擊落無人機嗎?? 還是像某東歐大國的大兵先用吃奶的力氣,全部裝備脫掉,三十六計走為上策,先逃到 打不到的地方,等無人機走了,再退下去。 謝謝指教!!! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 219.91.0.122 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1674442368.A.804.html

01/23 10:53, 1年前 , 1F
CNN是哪來的中共共鳴者
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刺槍術算啥問題 抗中保台的逃兵才是問題
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GMM別人孩子死不完
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你哪時看過台灣打仗了
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問問國昌閃尿非凡當什麼兵
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刺刺的~
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野雞媒體
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中共共鳴人不要太不滿。
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01/23 10:58, 1年前 , 10F
刺槍術近距離作戰很有用
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01/23 10:58, 1年前 , 11F
跟軍盲認真就輸了
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01/23 10:58, 1年前 , 12F
以前野戰部隊當兵兩年 打不到200發
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01/23 10:59, 1年前 , 13F
至於刺槍術 就算城市戰 沒彈藥上個屁
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01/23 10:59, 1年前 , 14F
CNN也被中共收買了
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01/23 10:59, 1年前 , 15F
可憐啊CNN淪落到變成中共共鳴者
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01/23 11:00, 1年前 , 16F
覺得刺槍術有用 是電影看太多
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01/23 11:05, 1年前 , 17F
氣刀體一致!前進突刺 刺!
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01/23 11:05, 1年前 , 18F
說刺槍有用的很快就變蜂窩了
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大刀隊也要恢復啊
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確實 練刺槍術不如練掃帚術
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01/23 11:09, 1年前 , 25F
還有掃地拔草刷油漆
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別準備,早點投降才是王道
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01/23 11:11, 1年前 , 27F
樓上那圖片 沒人發現槍越來越短嗎?
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01/23 11:11, 1年前 , 28F
來人啊 火牛陣 鶴翼陣 讓這幫洋人見識見識
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01/23 11:12, 1年前 , 29F
那些閃兵役的卒仔才是最大問題
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01/23 11:12, 1年前 , 30F
真的很弱智
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腦包國防部
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01/23 11:14, 1年前 , 32F
拔草 趴射 幹
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01/23 11:15, 1年前 , 33F
用刺刀放刀氣擊落無人機不會?
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01/23 11:16, 1年前 , 34F
拖擊法才是王道,靠北,現在都是T91 XD
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01/23 11:17, 1年前 , 35F
軍隊一直在精神口號要成為現代化的軍
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01/23 11:17, 1年前 , 36F
隊可是制度跟訓練一直很土砲完全不現代
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01/23 11:17, 1年前 , 37F
化可以看看別國怎麼訓練的嗎
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01/23 11:17, 1年前 , 38F
剌槍有用?? 立射蹲射從來沒練過??
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01/23 11:18, 1年前 , 39F
軍盲就愛說人是軍盲
01/23 11:18, 39F
還有 227 則推文
還有 2 段內文
01/23 18:10, 1年前 , 267F
什麼野雞媒體 明明還有絕技吊路燈
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左右欺敵
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01/23 18:47, 1年前 , 269F
我只討厭每天晚上擦不完又要被貓毛的槍
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01/23 18:59, 1年前 , 270F
黃埔老陸那套過時不改啊
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01/23 19:00, 1年前 , 271F
CNN自己選路燈好吧 趕緊的
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01/23 19:02, 1年前 , 272F
推文看有些人子彈打光了還真的會衝出去萬歲
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衝鋒 請問是神功護體還是對方剛好也沒彈藥
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01/23 19:09, 1年前 , 274F
開戰時,實彈射擊多,還是刺槍術多,台灣軍
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方根本腦子有洞
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一堆連槍枝故障排除都不會還想打仗,
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戰場可沒有戴黃色帽套的幫忙排除
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中共同路人的認知作戰 相信黨
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笑死
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國軍就是一群廢物啊 垃圾刺槍術死不刪
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01/23 21:53, 1年前 , 283F
cnn應該不知道國軍要拿餐盤刺槍進餐廳吧
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01/23 21:58, 1年前 , 284F
有種比賽打掃跟擦槍
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敢講出秘密 殺
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QQ
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退後十三步 迴旋
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三軍統帥是個廢物的話,你能指望什麼?
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落伍的事還丟臉丟到國外
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全世界還在搞大型刺槍陣大概就我們跟
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日本了
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別的國家罵才改 笑死
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進餐廳 還要大喊親愛精誠
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蔣萬安 連勝文:好險我逃兵
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只打40發滿放屁的
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每次低保6發,是怎麼打只有40?
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01/24 12:50, 1年前 , 297F
幹我還看過護木用橡皮筋綁的咧
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01/24 13:13, 1年前 , 298F
至少教個八極拳 還比較有勝算
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Outdated bayonet training!
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01/24 14:53, 1年前 , 300F
去看看東部戰區的抖音,你就知道台灣亡
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國日期不遠了
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紫毅用刺槍術對付阿彬
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已知用火,刺槍術!
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綠共不在乎開戰就逃海外募資繼續發大
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超低能的刺槍術
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