Re: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7

Do you honestly think that you're going to convince each other of  
anything? Can you at least move it off-list please?

On 13 Dec 2007, at 15:54, Russell Jackson wrote:

> Chuck Robey wrote:
>> Marc Spitzer wrote:
>>> On Dec 12, 2007 11:35 PM, Tom Wickline <twickline@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Dec 12, 2007 10:30 PM, Marc Spitzer <mspitzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> One of the interesting things about socialism, in all in many evil
>>>>> forms(including gnu/fsf), is that they simply must lie about their
>>>>> program or no one of average intelligence would be stupid enough  
>>>>> to
>>>>> sign up for it.  It just goes to show you that without G_d  
>>>>> religion
>>>>> gets much much worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> marc
>>>>>
>>>> That one gave me a chuckle :D
>>>>
>>>> Your just pissed because GPL makes people give back there  
>>>> changes! And
>>>> from the way it looks you and a couple others
>>>> here are mad because you cant go use others work and not have to
>>>> contribute. You want the freedom to rob, steal pillage others
>>>> hard work for your own good... And now you call this socialism  
>>>> because
>>>> you cant do it?
>>>>
>>
>> This sort of idea is entirely common among the folks who push GPL.   
>> They
>> assign their encumbrances to their licenses, THEN they claim (just to
>> take the attention off the fact that their license, alone, has those
>> encumbrances) that are "mad because you cant go use others  
>> work" (that's
>> your quote, sir, look above if you disagree).  The BSD license, in  
>> fact,
>
> Seems like you left off the more important part of the quote, "...  
> and not have to
> contribute." That is to say that you're free to do what you will  
> with the code as long as
> you redistribute your changes. It's a simple requirement. Tat for tat.
>
> Stallman believes, rightly, that the freedom of the user is  
> ultimately preserved through
> the freedom of the code; hence, there are restrictions on  
> redistribution in order to
> guarantee the former. His writings are quite clear on this point.  
> Nobody is lying; you are
> just willfully refusing to understand.
>
>> DOES allow any user to use the code in any damn way they please,  
>> all it
>> means is that folks lose the ability to force anyone else to also  
>> public
>> their work.  That's the reason that a huge portion of the commercial
>> world is actually direclty violating the GPL, and just relying on the
>> fact that no one has the dollars to go after them (thank god).  BSD
>> licensed code allows anyone, anywhere, to do whatever they like with
>> their work, unlike GPL, which is as directly communist/socialist as  
>> the
>> definition allows.
>>
>> The GPLeres always shift attention away from that fact.  Just like  
>> you
>> did above.  What about the fact that the BSD license is about 15  
>> lines
>> long, while the GPL license is one of the most evilly legalistically
>> worded documents I;'ve ever seen ... worst that the worst emplyment
>> document I have ever been asked to sign.  Of course, you're just  
>> going
>> to ignore that.
>>
>>> No I am not, the gpl is a thing and I save my spleen for people.    
>>> The
>>> thing that pisses me off is that the FSF and their minions
>>> deliberately and knowingly lie about what the terms and conditions  
>>> are
>>> on the license they falsely call free.  Face it when you redefine
>>> common words in the English language to mean something that is found
>>> in no dictionary or daily use and in point of fact contradicts at
>>> least one of the main uses of the word, ie meaning with out cost or
>>> encumbrance, you are willingly lieing through your fucking teeth and
>>> you know it.
>>>
>>> I am not compelled to do do anything as I avoid the entire family of
>>> gnu licenses except as an end user, so they get nothing and I can
>>> still use their software <hahaha>
>>>
>>> umm this is s freebsd list and freebsd has done quite well by having
>>> faith in the inherent decency of people in general, netgraph and  
>>> BASM
>>> come to mind.  Further  more oh yea of little history unix, and  
>>> linux,
>>> would not have grown to the degree it did if the berkley code was
>>> gpled, OS/Kernel features were competitive advantage back then,
>>> because I could not keep the code closed and it would have  
>>> conflicted
>>> with ATT's license as well.
>>>
>>>> hahahaha.... What a crock of shit!
>>> stop projecting.
>>>
>>> marc
>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Russell A. Jackson <raj@csub.edu>
> Network Analyst
> California State University, Bakersfield
>
> OPTIMIST:
> 	Someone who goes down to the marriage
> 	bureau to see if his license has expired.

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