Re: [假設]1948年中國共產黨將中國國民黨完全消滅

看板DummyHistory作者 (加藤家的惠是我的!)時間9年前 (2016/06/03 21:11), 編輯推噓4(4026)
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→ requiem: 怎麼老是有美國1950年以前放棄“臺灣”的說法。其實是放 06/03 20:30 → requiem: 棄“蔣介石/國民黨控制的”臺灣 06/03 20:30 → requiem: 1948的美國軍方報告可是肯定臺灣的戰略位置,但沒人懷疑 06/03 20:32 → requiem: 國民黨抗共的決心和能力--因為不存在。 06/03 20:32 Cantel 3. As new arrival Taipei I am being given the "treatment" by Formosan Independence "Movement"(台灣獨立運動). Conversations with Peter Huang and Philip Ng and perusal of their propaganda have served only to establish their utter lack of realism, absence of any militant and armed popular foundation, and complete reliance on US to achieve their aims and assure their livelihood forever. (味其言觀其文,可知其昧於現實,無可戰之兵,復將自身理想及其生存全然寄望於美國 的援助之上。) It seemed desirable to attempt to straighten out their thinking in relation to China scene as to US, and to prevent misconception as to nature of any personal relations with me. In brief, they were told in friendly manner, as my personal opinion, that Formosans themselves, unarmed, could not get rid of Chinese now on Island (他們被委婉地告知:根據我個人的意見,福爾摩沙人在沒有自己的武裝基礎的狀況下, 無法擺脫中國政權掌控); US would require several divisions of troops plus supporting naval and air forces to take and keep control over Island, a responsibility which we are not prepared to assume (美國得生出幾個師的軍隊跟海空支援資源來掌控這個島,而美國不打算負這個責任); for time being any hope for independence lay with Nationalists not with Communi sts, and thus measures designed weaken Nationalists merely served increase cha nces Communist control, so Formosans must recognize facts, not avoid them (所以福爾摩沙人必須面對現實而不是逃避現實), and they should not forget that Formosa fits intolarge pattern from which it cannot be separated arbitrarily (而且福爾摩沙人也不該忘記,福爾摩沙不能自以為可以獨自於世界之外運作); and although US sympathetic to Formosan aspirations, there were very few grounds for optimism now and foreseeable future. by 1950.1 師樞安 看來某人的美國跟師樞安的講法是兩回事. -- 你比較喜歡哪一位? 1.平常相當不起眼,但被同年級男生想要捧紅的可愛高中女生. 2.跟同年級男生約會,但是中途那個男生就跑掉.平常雲淡風輕的不起眼女生開始發飆 3.跟同年紀男生一起逛同人場,結果幫男生的學妹而心情不爽的路人女生 4.在旁邊滑著手機冷眼旁觀看著同社團的人為了男人爭吵 5.別人在調侃是不是女友,義正嚴詞的說著"我是他的女主角"的高中女生 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.163.105.62 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/DummyHistory/M.1464959516.A.49E.html

06/03 21:16, , 1F
師樞安個人意見不能代表整個美國啦不依啦不依啦美國唯一
06/03 21:16, 1F

06/03 21:17, , 2F
堅持未定論 不符未定論全都不可代表美國啦
06/03 21:17, 2F

06/03 21:20, , 3F
師公樞安又carry了一次...
06/03 21:20, 3F

06/03 21:46, , 4F
你一系列文件沒看過,抓個師樞安一篇到處貼,跟教徒貼聖
06/03 21:46, 4F

06/03 21:46, , 5F
經沒啥差別,有87趴像
06/03 21:46, 5F

06/03 21:47, , 6F
呵呵,不像閣下只會幻想別人會來救喔
06/03 21:47, 6F

06/03 21:48, , 7F
反正你們看到不利的話就是只會跳出來說這是孤證
06/03 21:48, 7F

06/03 21:48, , 8F
至於對國民黨的評論要不要貼一下
06/03 21:48, 8F

06/03 21:49, , 9F
人家爛也是比台獨份子強上一百倍啦
06/03 21:49, 9F

06/03 21:50, , 10F
杜魯門都在1950年都公開承認台灣是ROC的呢
06/03 21:50, 10F

06/03 21:54, , 11F
那樓上快拿出來阿,我說真的,一直師樞安也很膩
06/03 21:54, 11F

06/03 21:57, , 12F
不想看上篇中文就給你原文:http://tinyurl.com/jy3cvp8
06/03 21:57, 12F

06/03 21:58, , 13F
可以不承認roc,但一定要承認臺灣是roc的,信教真理果然
06/03 21:58, 13F

06/03 21:58, , 14F
到處都能自圓其說。
06/03 21:58, 14F

06/03 21:59, , 15F
原來杜魯門是國民黨教徒.我現在才知道國民黨是九頭蛇
06/03 21:59, 15F

06/03 21:59, , 16F
反正美國隊長現在也是九頭蛇的臥底,區區杜魯門總統
06/03 21:59, 16F

06/03 22:00, , 17F
自然也是萬惡國民黨的臥底 您說是吧
06/03 22:00, 17F

06/03 22:05, , 18F
台灣菁英就是沒基礎 美國人後來想扶持的也不是台灣菁英
06/03 22:05, 18F

06/03 22:05, , 19F
而是留美的孫立人
06/03 22:05, 19F

06/03 22:09, , 20F
到底多有愛到忽略現實? lol 自我慰藉的幻想真是令
06/03 22:09, 20F

06/03 22:09, , 21F
最好的出處來源,還附原檔案件, http://goo.gl/YLNvxc
06/03 22:09, 21F

06/03 22:09, , 22F
人驚嘆。 怎麼不快點上書美國來導正你們眼中的歷史。
06/03 22:09, 22F

06/03 22:11, , 23F
還是KMT真的神通廣大到連美國杜魯門總統圖書館都能改
06/03 22:11, 23F

06/03 22:12, , 24F
美國在文件的公開真是有效率,台灣好好學習啊
06/03 22:12, 24F

06/03 22:12, , 25F
杜魯門的確是藍軍(民主黨)
06/03 22:12, 25F

06/03 22:13, , 26F
你不知道國民黨就跟九頭蛇一樣在背後掌控全世界嗎
06/03 22:13, 26F

06/04 07:33, , 27F
光頭就是光明的象徵?
06/04 07:33, 27F

06/04 08:36, , 28F
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06/04 13:06, , 29F
requiem去看一下本系列第一篇reinherd的推文吧,你現在講的
06/04 13:06, 29F

06/04 13:07, , 30F
,之後能講的,將來可能會跳針的,都有前輩幫你說完了。
06/04 13:07, 30F
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