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※ 引述《eertllams (Tree666)》之銘言： http://tinyurl.com/65ea548 原文連結 By Doug Thonus 滿有趣的文章討論後Jordan時代公牛選秀的好運與壞運.... Are the Bulls simply lucky for landing Rose? 錢蚊樹衫 The lockout season and new CBA Jerry Krause had positioned the Bulls to have basically no money on the books at all heading into the following season, and it was one of the best free agent classes in the history of the league. At the time, there was no maximum salary for players, and the Bulls were expected to outbid other teams on their top two choices, Tim Duncan and Tracy McGrady. Jerry Krause讓我們在面臨到歷史上最佳(之一)的選秀年時有充足的資金 ↑(看下文應該是這意思) 在那時候，個別球員並沒有薪資上限，公牛預期會在與其他隊伍競爭TD與TMAC時勝出。 They also had incoming draft picks Ron Artest and Elton Brand. 公牛也有即將到來的阿泰與名牌的順位籤。 If the new CBA doesn't come in and put a cap on individual player salaries, the Bulls likely land Tim Duncan, however, the new rules make it so that Duncan can make more money with the Spurs than Bulls. If the Bulls landed Duncan, they would have also landed another top tier FA, because they would have had a legit superstar. 如果新的CBA沒有在那時候限制個別球員的薪水，公牛將會贏來TD，但是新的規定讓TD 在馬刺可以獲得比在公牛更高的薪水，如果那時候我們獲得TD，我們也會簽下一排的頂級FA，因為我們有一個正統的超級球星。 You're talking about a team being rebuilt with Duncan, McGrady, Artest, and Brand as it's core. Does that team win titles? It probably does. If the CBA was negotiated one year later, the Bulls might have won multiple titles immediately after the Jordan era. 我們現在討論的可是一個以TD、TNAC、阿泰與名牌做為核心來重建的球隊。這樣的球隊會贏得總冠軍嗎？如果CBA是晚一年談判的話，公牛可能會在喬神時代結束之後馬上又獲得幾座總冠軍。 The new CBA in 2005 The Bulls have the #2 pick in the 2006 draft, the pick that should have been Kevin Durant. Unfortunately, Kevin Durant is forced to go to college for a year because of the CBA that was renegotiated that summer. If that CBA were drafted simply one year later, the Bulls would be headlined by Kevin Durant right now. 公牛在2006年有第二順位的籤，本來應該是會選到KD的，但是因為那一年有CBA談判所以 KD去念大學避風頭了，不然我們現在的頭條將會是以KD為標題。 We'd have missed out on Rose of course, but we'd have had a damn elite team anyway, and we wouldn't think much about missing out on Rose like we don't think much about missing out on Blake Griffin. 假使沒有CBA我們就會選到KD，而我們就不會選到Rose，但是不論如何我們都會有一支好球隊，就像我們不會因為選了Rose而失去選Griffin的機會而難過一般。 Now, I'd rather have Rose than Durant right now, but I doubt any of us would be complaining about a team with Kevin Durant on it. 現在，我會寧可要Rose而非KD，但是我想也不會有一支球隊會因為擁有KD而抱怨。 The Bulls had tons of lotto picks, but never high enough in the right draft There weren't tons of superstars entering the league in most of the Bulls down years, and we never had the right pick at the right time. If you look at the superstars that entered the league over that stretch: 2000: We have #4 and #8 in one of the worst drafts ever 2001: We have #2 and #4 in one of the worst drafts ever (though we miss Pau Gasol at #3 for Tyson Chandler) 2002: We have #2 and get Jay Williams (miss Ming by 1) and he ends his career with a motorcycle accident 2003: Imagine if we had our picks of any of the last three years here? But no, we pick this season to win 30 games and get #7, miss out on LeBron,Wade, Melo, and Bosh 2004: Miss out on Dwight Howard by two picks 2005: no first 2006: Screwed by Durant rule, and we fubar the draft 2007: Grab Noah at #9 2008: Grab Rose 公牛各個年度的籤跟選秀結果..... Really, the Bulls draft luck up until the point where they grab Noah / Rose was simply abysmally bad. It wasn't that they drafted poorly (outside of Krause's decision to take Chandler over Gasol and Paxson taking a risk on Tyrus's upside vs Roy/Aldridge's safety), but it was never the right place at the right time. They just had the wrong picks in the wrong years, and when they hit on a player who has legit star potential, he ends his career in an motorcycle accident after one season. 真的，公牛的選秀運在選到Noah跟Rose之前都差到XX。不是說公牛選得很爛，而是總是在不對的時間擁有好的籤，好不容易選到了有正統球星潛力的球員時，卻在一個球季之後因為摩托車的意外而結束生涯。(這故事大家知道吧) We always had the right package at the wrong time for trades 我們也總是在壞的交易期間有好的交易包裹。 I know people love to blame GarPax for the lack of trades the Bulls have made, and their inability to bring in a superstar, but they never had the right package at the right time. The Bulls offered Tyson Chandler, Luol Deng and a #1 for Kevin Garnett back when those were valuable trade assets, and Minnesota said no thanks, only to trade him for Al Jefferson and chips later. 本來要拿泰山、滷蛋跟狀元籤去換KG，但被打槍，人家寧可要Al Jefferson跟一堆洋芋片。 They offered about Gordon, Nocioni (when they had strong value) and a pick for Pau Gasol only to see him get traded for a heap of crap and two future rolls of toilet paper. In both years, the Bulls made offers that exceeded what the player actually went for one year later, but the Bulls offer the following year in each case wasn't as appealing due to a change in the player or his contract. 當Gordon、Nocioni賣相還不錯的時候要拿他們跟一個選秀權去換砲枷鎖也被打槍，但是砲枷鎖卻被拿去換一堆垃圾跟兩捲衛生紙。這兩年，公牛都拿出比這些球員後來所拿的合約價值更高的代價去跟人家洽談，但是公牛在這兩個案例裡面所提出的條件對球員來說卻因為球員本身或合約的改變而不怎麼吸引人。(這一段後面不太會翻) Things were always close to coming together, but never quite there. 事情總是很接近了，但卻沒辦法完成。 So were the Bulls lucky to get Rose? 所以，公牛拿到玫瑰是幸運的嗎？ Hell yes. I'm getting a 1.7% tattoo if the Bulls win a title with Rose. 當然是！如果公牛在Rose的帶領下拿到總冠軍，我就要去刺一個1.7％圖案的刺青。 However, after some crazy twists of fate over the previous decade, I'm taking it and not apologizing for it. The Bulls haven't had a ton of luck since the Jordan retirement, no reason to act like we didn't deserve some the one time it rolls are way. 但是呢，在過去十年命運的扭轉下，我會享受這好運而不會感到愧疚。公牛從喬神退休之後就沒啥好運氣了，當好運來臨時，沒必要表現得假道學。本來想說翻翻CBA那段就好，但看一看也沒剩多少....上半部有大大要補的話就麻煩了翻得不好請多見諒！ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 131.193.245.251

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