[外電] Jackson, Rivers criticize Cavs' deal …

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來源：http://tinyurl.com/yapedkz LOS ANGELES -- It wasn't quite on the same level as San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich calling for an independent trade committee to be formed in protest of the Pau Gasol deal a couple of seasons ago, but there were two coaches calling for changes to the NBA's trade process Thursday. 這跟兩年前那個被波波度爛的交易並不完全相同(那時砲枷鎖交易案讓他戲稱NBA 應該有個公平交易委員會)，不過這次Jami交易案讓兩個教練抗議NBA應該改變交 易規則 Both Lakers coach Phil Jackson and Celtics coach Doc Rivers had strong things to say about Cleveland's acquiring Antawn Jamison by using Zydrunas Ilgauskas as a key piece in the deal, with the eventuality assumed that Ilgauskas will be bought out from his contract by the Wizards and return to the Cavaliers after 30 days. 不是別人，就是湖人教頭禪師、和超賽教頭河流 Jackson declined to comment on the Jamison trade when he was asked about it at Thursday's shoot-around, quipping, "I don't care about that," and dodged two more questions about it in his pregame media session before not being able to bite his tongue any longer. 禪師拒絕對此發表評論，"我才不在乎這事呢"(但他還是酸了XD) "They're going to get Ilgauskas back and it's going to be one of those scenarios that we see in the NBA where you ship a player out, you get another player, then your player retires or they pay him off and then he comes back in 30 days," Jackson said. "I don't know what that does for the league. I think that's kind of a weird situation." "他們將拿回大Z，NBA中常見的劇本，你送走一名球員得到另一名球員，然後你的球員 要不退休要不被買斷30天後回來" 、 "我認為這是很奇怪的情形" Rivers agreed with Jackson, even though the loophole has helped his team in the past. 河流也一丘之貉的同意禪師的看法，儘管超賽之前也利用過這個漏洞 "I have a problem with that," Rivers said before Thursday's Lakers-Celtics game at Staples Center. "I loved it three years ago when we did it with Gary Payton if you remember, but now I think it sucks. I think it's a terrible deal." 三年前(應該不只吧= =)用這招拿回手套我覺得很爽，但我現在覺得這規定很爛 Rivers and the Celtics traded Payton to Atlanta in March 2005 for Antoine Walker and Payton returned to Boston after being waived by the Hawks. 2005年超賽和老鷹交易就是用這招(我就記得好幾年前了嘛) "I actually do have a problem with that though. We did it, and I'm joking, but I do think [it's a problem]. I don't know what you do [maybe] just not allow them to go back to the same team or whatever. ... I do think that will be changed eventually, but I do have a problem with it." 這段有點語無倫次.但河流有提到"也許可以考慮禁止回母隊或什麼的，我相信這漏洞 會改變的" Rivers also suggested the trade deadline be moved up to coincide with All-Star weekend so teams come out of the break with a fresh approach and their team totally in place for the home stretch, rather than face four more days of uncertainty. 河流也建議交易大限改到全明星週末，大意就是全明星週末休假結束後就能以新面貌 出發，而不是還要好幾天不確定 "Who am I to suggest changes in the NBA? But why doesn't the trade deadline end over the All-Star break? I don't get why we have to come back for four more days. It's such a good fit over All-Star break. Then when you come out of break, the deadline's passed, all the GMs can go to the All-Star game and get it done. I wish that's the way it happened. It would allow you to start the break with your [entire] team and allow guys to [join their new club] and not miss games like tonight, where we lose Eddie [House], and we're not allowed to use Nate [Robinson]. We wouldn't have that situation. I would love that to change." 跟上段差不多，GM們可以在All-Star那幾天做交易 ，這樣還可以避免球員沒辦法 上場的情形(如這次Jami) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.41.245.27
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02/19 13:56, 1F
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02/19 13:58, , 2F
可以酸那兩位嗎.打不贏就說一堆藉口
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02/19 14:16, , 3F
嘎售來之前 怎麼不見禪師出來講一下?
02/19 14:16, 3F
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02/19 14:16, , 4F
他們鬼打牆了
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02/19 14:20, , 5F
這兩個都爽過 就他們沒資格說話
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02/19 14:27, , 6F
他們吵什麼阿，我們是買回一個老人讓他回家退休，阿他們哩
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02/19 14:37, , 7F
當年我覺得很好..現在我覺得很爛 這三洨??
02/19 14:37, 7F
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02/19 14:39, , 8F
晉惠帝：何不轉總版？
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02/19 14:40, , 9F
就是都我爽就好 送啦~~~~~~~這樣
02/19 14:40, 9F
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02/19 14:40, , 10F
改在明星週那不錯 不會大家都這麼累= =
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02/19 14:47, , 11F
都爽過還拿冠軍 就開始不爽別人爽
02/19 14:47, 11F
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02/19 14:51, , 12F
樓上提到重點，都「爽過」拿過「冠軍」，看來命運在騎士這邊
02/19 14:51, 12F
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02/19 15:05, , 13F
要是拿不到就糗大了XD 騎士加油
02/19 15:05, 13F
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02/19 15:05, , 14F
菲爾會說這些話表示他根本不是禪師，他只是哪邊好哪邊倒
02/19 15:05, 14F
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02/19 15:08, , 15F
拿不到也不會怎樣,都將近連續四十次拿不到了~_~
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02/19 15:13, , 16F
既然言語行為都不怎麼高尚，哪裡算禪師阿？也不是那種以小搏
02/19 15:13, 16F
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02/19 15:13, , 17F
湖人那交易跟Cavs接下來的buyout&re-sign是不一樣的....
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02/19 15:14, , 18F
不過前提是Cavs確定Wizards會放人啦～
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02/19 15:14, , 19F
大拿冠軍的教練，跟喬丹拿三個，跟柯比+大歐(枷鎖)拿四個
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02/19 15:15, , 20F
跟名人堂球員拿冠軍，還有兩個同隊一起拿，這樣就叫禪師喔
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02/19 15:16, , 21F
禪師跟拿冠軍有關係嗎= ="那是他帶隊的風格吧....
02/19 15:16, 21F
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02/19 15:16, , 22F
大家講這麼多幹什麼 簡單三個字形容兩位傳教練就好了
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02/19 15:17, , 23F
不要臉
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02/19 15:17, , 24F
別怪我說話這麼小家子氣，看看菲爾是怎樣小家子氣地爽完再酸
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02/19 15:18, , 25F
跟風格也沒關係吧，常常輸球就酸裁判，我不覺得他很禪
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02/19 15:18, , 26F
C's拿冠軍那年也沒有交易掉後resign的例子= =
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02/19 15:19, , 27F
他也不是酸不用錢的吧XD
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02/19 15:20, , 28F
不過早在一個月前左右聯盟就說會針對這case明年改掉漏洞了
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02/19 15:20, , 29F
不過明年NBA還在不在尚是未知呢XD
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02/19 15:37, , 30F
顆顆 眼紅了
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02/19 16:27, , 31F
嗯，我也不覺得禪師很禪，西瓜畏大邊的傾向嚴重
02/19 16:27, 31F
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02/19 16:47, , 32F
好像沒交易就打得贏騎士 XD
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02/19 17:11, , 33F
好歹也要尊重一下禪師,手上十枚冠軍戒是假的喔~只會說靠
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02/19 17:11, , 34F
球星,難道貴隊一堆球星都不算星喔~ 一點尊重都沒有
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02/19 17:13, , 35F
有哪個冠軍隊隊上沒兩個以上的球星你告訴我?
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02/19 17:15, , 36F
Gasol的那筆交易一直拿來說嘴,至少是正大光明的交易
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正大光明？你是徵信社還是科南？你有抓到不正大光明的行為嗎？換句話說 誰‧理‧你‧啊？
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02/19 17:17, , 37F
我覺得禪師本來就說的對,這種不正當的私下行為本不恰當
02/19 17:17, 37F
這裡是隊版耶~我們尊不尊重禪師干你X事~他是騎士的教練嗎？不知湖迷來噓啥
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02/19 17:20, , 38F
然而5527篇騎士又被人說大部分都是雜魚,真是混亂...
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02/19 17:23, , 39F
因為他有10個冠軍戒還說這種話更讓人反感 了??
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02/19 17:29, , 40F
禪師就是台灣的算命師啦 講話模稜兩可 等結果再放馬後炮
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噓屁啊
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不過我覺得最沒資格說這話的是馬刺XDDD
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禪師想來騎士囉~~
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02/19 17:33, , 44F
f大請息怒,但怎麼肯定湖人灰熊交易一案沒有旦書存在?
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這種類似先欠著人情的秘密旦書,在NBA可是行之有年 XD
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02/19 17:35, , 46F
我同意你說的,但這沒有對錯,不然要GM幹麼呢?各憑本事嘛!
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湖迷等級.... 雖然我從公牛就喜歡禪師..
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但他君子不處危牆之下的功力 讓人敬佩
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不想看就走阿 沒必要來別人隊版吠吧 隊版本來就會主觀
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湖迷虎年行大運了 屌起來了~
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Larry Brown比禪師厲害吧...不然禪師去帶山貓看看
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大Z也沒說一定要回去阿 其他隊也有要報價的舉動
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比如金塊和小牛 不過他有說過他下季會回來啦
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02/19 18:15, , 54F
大Z好像蠻重要的呢 簽到的球隊可能會影響到這兩隻球隊吧
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02/19 18:15, , 55F
a大沒提 我都忘了騎士之前是某些人所說的雜魚隊XD
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02/19 18:16, , 56F
重點是還沒買斷 何況大Z是在巫師..........
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02/19 18:30, , 57F
to f大 禪師從頭到尾都只用三角戰術那一套 從公牛到
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02/19 18:31, , 58F
湖人皆是如此 更別說三角戰術發明人另有其人
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02/19 18:32, , 59F
當年湖人f4對上活賽的小兵小卒卻還是失足
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河流科科.....是幽默還是不要臉= =
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或許f大可提供一些資訊來為禪師做些解釋 讓我們了解
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02/19 18:34, , 62F
他為什麼會忠於公牛跟湖人 以擊敗給湖人的原因
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說錯 敗給活賽的原因
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其實球員現在除了LBJ 其他頂多到all-star等級吧
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以目前來看 不看過去
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生氣了生氣了
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02/19 19:02, , 67F
對啦！對啦！湖人隊拿到Gasol 、墊底賽變超賽都是合理的
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騎士隊兵不血刃拿到Jamison 就是犯規，真是好邏輯啊！
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02/19 19:04, , 69F
某湖迷要我們在騎士板尊重Zen Master，那我也希望你們在
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貴板先做到尊重騎士隊球員再說吧！= =
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02/19 19:05, , 71F
Zen Master的成就不可否認，但是他今天說出這些話，讓身
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02/19 19:06, , 72F
為騎士迷的我們看了心裡很不是滋味！我們當然有撻伐他的
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立場。更何況這裡是騎士板，你看不慣何不按個←呢？
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推版主 真是太酷了@"@
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※ 編輯: JackieShane 來自: 114.41.245.27 (02/19 21:29)
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02/19 22:55, , 75F
這年頭流行侵門踏戶嗎??????????? 竟然用了噓
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02/19 22:57, , 76F
侵門踏戶
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02/19 23:52, , 77F
只許官兵放火，不準百姓點燈! 反正騎士隊的一切有些人就是
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無法接受，毫無道理與邏輯。
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02/19 23:59, , 79F
沒辦法 誰叫那兩隊在NBA60餘年的時間裡拿了32座冠軍
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02/20 00:03, , 80F
不是本隊的球迷是不會了解騎士要帶著大Z拿冠軍的心情
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02/20 00:51, , 81F
無意義的紛爭，可憐的犧牲者永遠都是那些弱隊球迷，我算是強
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隊球迷，根本沒資格說三道四的，只是NBA到底要怎麼發展才會好
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02/20 00:55, , 83F
才會永續經營下去 ? 到底該強者恆強還是要實力平均才會吸引
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到最多的球迷 ? 這或許也是另一個可以司討論的方向
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不過明年NBA還在不在 https://noxiv.com
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有哪個冠軍隊隊上沒兩個 https://moxox.com
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