Re: [外電] Pursuing Santana doesn't make sense …

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※ 引述《xiemark (aisinjuro)》之銘言： : Pursuing Santana doesn't make sense right now : By anaconda : Posted on Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 11:38:26 PM EDT 目前競標santana沒意義 : Following the Yanks' early exit from the postseason for the fourth : season in a row, perhaps the biggest trade rumor gaining steam in : Yankeeland is the pursuit of Johan Santana this offseason in order to : plant a bonafide ace atop the rotation to matchup with the likes of Josh : Beckett, Justin Verlander, C.C. Sabathia, John Lackey, and Roy Halladay. 洋基連續4季在季後賽早早出局，可能當前甚囂塵上的謠言就是標下山大王囉， 就為了建立起ace頂尖陣容來對抗諸如北極,bla bla之類的強投... : Jim Johnson from The Bronx Block believes a pursuit for Santana by the : front office this offseason is inevitable and Chien-Ming Wang should be : included in such a deal. 那麼誰誰誰相信標山大王是一定要的啦，而阿民會被當籌碼的... : Now, I understand everyone's disappointment in Wang's horrific : performance in the ALDS and inconsistencies down the stretch, but I : don't think trading him away for a one-year rental is the answer. The : "Wang is not an ace" argument is a valid one, but his numbers over the : last two seasons (38-13, 3.67 ERA, almost 6.2 IP per start) against AL : lineups is no accident. 目前，我能理解大家對阿民的失望，但我不認為租了一年的山大王是解決之道， 說"王不是Ace啦"的爭議也是合理的，但他的數據38勝13敗3.67ERA平均吃6.2局， 在美聯可也不是僥倖的 : The guy throws strikes, eats innings, and saves the bullpen a lot of : wear and tear over the course of a season, which is exactly what you : want from a starting pitcher. He may not be an ace, but he's still a : very good pitcher who just had a really bad postseason. 這傢伙丟一些好球，扛了一些局數，拯救了本季耗損的牛棚， 洽恰好先發的任務就是這樣， 說他不是ace也罷，但他仍舊是很好的投手，只不過有個爛掉的季後賽. : Taking the other side of this debate, why would the Minnesota Twins make : this move? Wang's struggles on turf are well-documented, so I don't see : why they would find him appealing in their home ballpark since half of : his starts would be on that dreaded turf. Doesn't make sense to me and : I think their front office is smarter than that. 我們來思考另一邊雙城會怎麼想，阿民對人工草皮可不爽的， 所以我不認為有一半在雙城家裡的比賽對阿民有利。 雙城他們可精明得很~ : If Wang is not included in such a deal, you can bet the ranch that it : would take Chamberlain and/or Hughes and a host of other talent to pry : Santana away. If the Rangers wanted Kennedy in return for a two-month : rental in Eric Gagne back in late July, one could imagine what the Twins : would want in return for the best pitcher in the game. 假設阿民不作為籌碼，你可賭農場大物喬巴和(或)大帝，或其他大物，別管山大王。 假如7月的時候，遊騎兵要了甘迺迪，出租剛爺2個月給你，好嗎 想想雙城為了好投手也會有一樣的要求... : Are you guys willing to deal Hughes and/or Chamberlain and other talent : for just one guaranteed season of Johan Santana? : Didn't think so. Cashman has also been very adamant about not trading : away any member of the "trinity," so the odds of this happening are slim : to none. 那把喬巴和大帝和其他大物跟山大王換得一個保證年，如何咧? 不認為可如此。現金男可堅決不會有這"三位一體"的交易(註:這三小..)， 這種怪說法不攻自破. : Perhaps I'm in the minority on this topic, but with the plethora of : young arms in the Yankee system, I'd rather see the Yanks continue : develop the young guns and produce their own bonafide ace(s) instead of : paying someone like Santana huge money to be that guy. It's highly : unlikely that Santana would sign an extension with the Yanks because he : knows he will likely sign the richest contract for any pitcher in MLB : history once he hits the open market. 可能我是這主題的少數觀點那一邊的，但洋基有過量的年輕投手可用， 我寧可見到洋基繼續開發這些年輕人，產出他們自己的真心牌Ace， 取代諸如山大王之流的金錢牌Ace。 山大王也不太可能和洋基簽延長合約， 因為他知道投入自由市場，由MLB歷史看來，很可能有更肥的約... : If the Yanks do make a bid for Santana, they should wait until this time : next year when a ton of financial commitments will be off the books : (Giambi, Pavano, Moose, Farnsworth, Pettitte?, Abreu?, etc) and they : have a much better grasp on what the young arms (Hughes, Chamberlain, : Kennedy, Horne, Cox, Sanchez, etc.) are capable of doing for this club : long term. 假如洋基要標山大王，洋基應該還會等明年一狗票薪資仲裁有結果，才會標， (Giambi, Pavano, Moose, Farnsworth, Pettitte?, Abreu?, etc) 且洋基也好好掌握到了一些年輕投手，這些年輕人有能力長期貢獻本宗球隊。 (Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy, Horne, Cox, Sanchez, etc.) : Mortgaging the future or trading away an innings-eater like Wang for a : one-year rental would be counterproductive and not something Cashman is : likely to do. He seems to have learned from past mistakes and I'd be : downright shocked if Santana is a Yankee in 2008 and very surprised if : he is the Opening Day starter in 2009. 抵押或交易吃局手(諸如阿民)的未來，只為一年的租約，可能帶來反效果， 也不像現金男的作風，現金男應從過去錯誤學到教訓囉， 假如2008山大王在洋基，我會徹底震驚，在2009當開場投手，林北會surprised... : http://www.pinstripealley.com/story/2007/10/11/233826/76 (翻錯見諒 請在推文糾正 很多沒有字面翻 自己都覺得很爛XDD) -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 218.171.113.116
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10/12 15:53, , 1F
感謝
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有翻有推
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感謝+1
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ACE 可能就莫再提了 忽然覺得離賽楊好遠了
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感謝翻譯。
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這篇翻得好
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push
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番的好
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10/12 17:03, , 9F
這個看起不吃力
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10/12 17:08, , 10F
王現在被當成是消化局數的投手了 真慘
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10/12 17:10, , 11F
又如何 翻身的一年隨時有可能來
10/12 17:10, 11F
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其實，一直都是，大家不願承認或說破而以… 明年會是王大
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10/12 17:13, , 13F
破大立的一年 可能會爆很大 大家要有心裡準備…
10/12 17:13, 13F
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不，至少去年不是…
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10/12 17:23, , 15F
大破大立是啥意思？ 是說 不是大好就大壞嗎
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小王應該是很厲害的人 像是今年滑球...
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其實我覺得人工草皮主場對於滾地球投手影響沒這麼大....
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草皮的影響應該是要針對野手 我相信主場的球隊已經很適應了
10/12 17:28, 18F
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好樂迪和silva在人工草皮也是投的出好成績的阿
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明年會真正的覺醒加升級也不一定..會爆很大?! 沒這樣回事..
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若今年真的簽了個肥約...王在洋基的壓力就真的要來了
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丟了大吉這爛約 就簽得到了
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這篇翻譯的不錯,我也覺得現金人應該不至於拿太多去換.
10/12 17:50, 23F
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吃局數投手有什麼慘的，吃局數本來就是SP最基本的工作
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如果你能年年200IP,ERA+110，這種投手叫solid no.2
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以現在FA市場至少10M/year 起跳
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還大立大破勒 是哪邊看的出來明年會爆很大?
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還是想說反正還有一年的時間打打嘴砲也無所謂?
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2005年後說2006年會爆 2006年後說2007年會爆 2007年後...
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2025年說2026年會爆 結果2026就進HOF了 超high
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同意這篇 我也不覺得現金人會在堅持保護農場了一整年
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突然發瘋砍掉重練去換肥約大物
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而且小王季賽的表現不會因為季後賽烙塞就被打折扣的
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大破大力???維大力??這年頭什麼成語都有人在用....
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這樣才是翻譯的目的吧~ 大家都看得懂 番的好
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推這篇啦
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感謝翻譯
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謝謝!
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吃局數防禦率在4以下的投手 市場上可是貴喔
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推一個~!
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我推這篇
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某K如果是教士迷在NO.163戰後 PV大概也不是ACE離CYA很遠
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鄉民:王兩年19勝都是賽到的~ERA也是賽到的
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鄉民都是兩場看一年.去年也是說今年深卡鐵定被破打到爆
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王母娘娘昨天托夢跟我說(拍拉拍拉...略5000字)
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照鄉民的理論 CC明年應該下3a磨鍊了~明年一定爆更慘
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這篇看起來比較讓人看的懂 感謝翻譯
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這才叫翻譯嘛 大推
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挖 感謝翔魚板大 XDD
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