Re: [請益]美元儲蓄險,能不能買?!

看板CFP作者 (非天夜翔)時間12年前 (2011/11/28 11:09), 編輯推噓1(1017)
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※ 引述《etmcierbi (etmcierbi)》之銘言: : 最近在考慮要不要買美元儲蓄, : 小妹25歲,以下是以保險業務以我姐30歲為範本打的 : 每年存個三萬多,以美元的匯率可能成本會有小變動! : 六年後花的成本是$201420 : 六年後帳戶價值是$210510(六年賺了9090,利息?!) : 之後在完全不動用這筆錢的前提下, : 六年後可每年領回7200的利息(這是誘因!!) : 活越久可領多!!(2012不是末日的話,前提還是不能動到的帳戶價值金) : 這是三商的,業務說這份是4%的利率,明年就沒有這麼好的利率了 : 我到底該不該買!!之前有買投資型保單認賠5萬解約的慘痛經驗!! : 美元儲蓄專案 美元:台幣(1:30) : 年度 年齡 存款金額 壽險保障 年 末 年 末 帳戶價值 與銀行(1%) : 領回利息 累計領回 相比較 : 1 30 33,570 33,570 108,000 0 0 21,960 21,960 33906 : 2 31 33,570 67,140 126,000 0 0 50,130 50,130 68150 : 3 32 33,570 100,710 144,000 0 0 82,170 82,170 102738 : 4 33 33,570 134,280 162,000 0 0 118,170 118,170 137671 : 5 34 33,570 167,850 180,000 0 0 158,580 158,580 172953 : 6 35 33,570 201,420 198,000 7,200 7,200 203,310 210,510 201388 : 7 36 0 216,000 7,200 14,400 203,940 218,340 196202 : 8 37 0 234,000 7,200 21,600 204,570 226,170 190964 : 9 38 0 252,000 7,200 28,800 205,290 234,090 185674 : 10 39 0 270,000 7,200 36,000 205,920 241,920 180331 : 11 40 0 270,000 7,200 43,200 206,550 249,750 174934 : 12 41 0 270,000 7,200 50,400 207,270 257,670 169483 : 13 42 0 270,000 7,200 57,600 207,990 265,590 163978 : 14 43 0 270,000 7,200 64,800 208,710 273,510 158418 : 15 44 0 270,000 7,200 72,000 209,520 281,520 152802 : 16 45 0 270,000 7,200 79,200 210,240 289,440 147130 : 17 46 0 270,000 7,200 86,400 211,050 297,450 141401 : 18 47 0 270,000 7,200 93,600 211,860 305,460 135615 : 19 48 0 270,000 7,200 100,800 212,760 313,560 129772 : 20 49 0 270,000 7,200 108,000 213,570 321,570 123869 年度 年齡 存款金額 累積存款 壽險 領回 累計 IRR (guess = 4%) 1 30 33,570 33,570 108,000 0 0 #NUM! 2 31 33,570 67,140 126,000 0 0 #NUM! 3 32 33,570 100,710 144,000 0 0 #NUM! 4 33 33,570 134,280 162,000 0 0 #NUM! 5 34 33,570 167,850 180,000 0 0 #NUM! 6 35 33,570 201,420 198,000 7,200 7,200 #NUM! 7 36 0 201,420 216,000 7,200 14,400 #NUM! -79.46% ● 8 37 0 201,420 234,000 7,200 21,600 #NUM! -55.59% G 9 38 0 201,420 252,000 7,200 28,800 #NUM! -41.76% u 10 39 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 36,000 #NUM! -32.81% e 11 40 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 43,200 #DIV/0! -26.50% s 12 41 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 50,400 #DIV/0! -21.82% s 13 42 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 57,600 #DIV/0! -18.21%│ 14 43 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 64,800 #DIV/0! -15.35%└ =-90% 15 44 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 72,000 #DIV/0! -13.04% 16 45 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 79,200 #DIV/0! -11.13% 17 46 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 86,400 #DIV/0! -9.54% 18 47 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 93,600 #DIV/0! -8.19% 19 48 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 100,800 -7.04% 20 49 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 108,000 -6.05% 21 50 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 115,200 -5.19% 22 51 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 122,400 -4.44% 23 52 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 129,600 -3.77% 24 53 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 136,800 -3.19% 25 54 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 144,000 -2.67% 26 55 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 151,200 -2.20% 27 56 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 158,400 -1.79% 28 57 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 165,600 -1.41% 29 58 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 172,800 -1.07% 30 59 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 180,000 -0.76% 31 60 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 187,200 -0.48% 32 61 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 194,400 -0.23% 33 62 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 201,600 0.01% 34 63 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 208,800 0.22% 35 64 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 216,000 0.42% 36 65 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 223,200 0.60% 37 66 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 230,400 0.76% 38 67 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 237,600 0.92% 39 68 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 244,800 1.06% 40 69 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 252,000 1.19% 41 70 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 259,200 1.31% 42 71 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 266,400 1.43% 43 72 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 273,600 1.53% 44 73 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 280,800 1.63% 45 74 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 288,000 1.73% 46 75 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 295,200 1.81% 47 76 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 302,400 1.89% 48 77 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 309,600 1.97% 49 78 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 316,800 2.04% 50 79 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 324,000 2.11% 51 80 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 331,200 2.17% 52 81 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 338,400 2.23% 53 82 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 345,600 2.29% 54 83 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 352,800 2.34% 55 84 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 360,000 2.39% 56 85 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 367,200 2.44% 57 86 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 374,400 2.48% 58 87 0 201,420 270,000 7,200 381,600 2.52% 59 88 1 201,421 270,001 7,200 388,800 2.52% 60 89 2 201,423 270,002 7,200 396,000 2.52% 61 90 3 201,426 270,003 7,200 403,200 2.52% 62 91 4 201,430 270,004 7,200 410,400 2.52% 63 92 5 201,435 270,005 7,200 417,600 2.52% 64 93 6 201,441 270,006 7,200 424,800 2.52% 65 94 7 201,448 270,007 7,200 432,000 2.52% 66 95 8 201,456 270,008 7,200 439,200 2.52% 67 96 9 201,465 270,009 7,200 446,400 2.52% 68 97 10 201,475 270,010 7,200 453,600 2.52% 69 98 11 201,486 270,011 7,200 460,800 2.52% 70 99 12 201,498 270,012 7,200 468,000 2.52% 71 100 13 201,511 270,013 7,200 475,200 2.52% -- 渴望飛翔在自由中, 期望逃離這拘束的現實, 一切都讓他隨著而去, 獨自躲在黑暗空氣中, 舔舐被狠狠撕裂的傷口。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.167.24.220

11/28 16:06, , 1F
如果算近解約的話,通常是8~10年贏定存XDDD
11/28 16:06, 1F

11/28 20:20, , 2F
這樣算不好
11/28 20:20, 2F

11/28 20:20, , 3F
你應該算 第六年解約IRR多少 第七年解約IRR多少......
11/28 20:20, 3F

11/28 20:21, , 4F
不然光靠利息還本 那IRR算出來一定是爛商品
11/28 20:21, 4F
如果要考慮解約的話,保險公司不可能把帳戶價值全數折現, 那不知道哪邊可以抓到每一年解約所能取回的現金對照表呢?? 以銀行定存1%計算 連續存6年 33,570, 每年取回 7,200, 需要34年的時間取回本金相同的金額 需要40年的時間取完殘餘的利息。 不論哪一年度選擇全數取回,IRR均為 1% 若本期全數取回 年度 操作 帳戶價值 IRR 累積現金流 所得利息 1 -33,570 33,906 #NUM! - 33,570 2 -33,570 68,151 #NUM! - 67,140 336 3 -33,570 102,738 #NUM! -100,710 1,011 4 -33,570 137,671 #NUM! -134,280 2,028 5 -33,570 172,953 #NUM! -167,850 3,391 6 -33,570 208,588 #NUM! -201,420 5,103 7 7,200 203,402 -82.34% -194,220 7,168 8 7,200 198,164 -57.88% -187,020 9,182 9 7,200 192,874 -43.38% -179,820 11,144 10 7,200 187,531 -34.02% -172,620 13,054 11 7,200 182,134 -27.48% -165,420 14,911 12 7,200 176,683 -22.63% -158,220 16,714 13 7,200 171,178 -18.91% -151,020 18,463 14 7,200 165,618 -15.96% -143,820 20,158 15 7,200 160,002 -13.58% -136,620 21,798 16 7,200 154,330 -11.63% -129,420 23,382 17 7,200 148,601 - 9.99% -122,220 24,910 18 7,200 142,815 - 8.61% -115,020 26,381 19 7,200 136,971 - 7.43% -107,820 27,795 20 7,200 131,069 - 6.42% -100,620 29,151 21 7,200 125,108 - 5.54% - 93,420 30,449 22 7,200 119,087 - 4.76% - 86,220 31,688 23 7,200 113,006 - 4.09% - 79,020 32,867 24 7,200 106,864 - 3.49% - 71,820 33,986 25 7,200 100,661 - 2.95% - 64,620 35,044 26 7,200 94,396 - 2.48% - 57,420 36,041 27 7,200 88,068 - 2.05% - 50,220 36,976 28 7,200 81,677 - 1.66% - 43,020 37,848 29 7,200 75,222 - 1.32% - 35,820 38,657 30 7,200 68,702 - 1.00% - 28,620 39,402 31 7,200 62,117 - 0.71% - 21,420 40,082 32 7,200 55,466 - 0.45% - 14,220 40,697 33 7,200 48,749 - 0.21% - 7,020 41,246 34 7,200 41,964 0.01% 180 41,729 35 7,200 35,112 0.21% 7,380 42,144 36 7,200 28,191 0.39% 14,580 42,492 37 7,200 21,201 0.56% 21,780 42,771 38 7,200 14,141 0.72% 28,980 42,981 39 7,200 7,010 0.87% 36,180 43,121 40 7,010 - 1.00% 43,190 43,190

11/29 01:19, , 5F
重點是業務的focus 在 "活越久可領多!!" 那為什麼要看解約
11/29 01:19, 5F

11/29 02:08, , 6F
那如果這樣比,業務就沒說錯了啊,贏定存很多
11/29 02:08, 6F

11/29 02:31, , 7F
請問一下 不需要算年末領回跟7200的時間價值嗎?(我是新手)
11/29 02:31, 7F

11/29 02:38, , 8F
我的算法:6年33570X(X^6-1)(X-1)=210510 解X-1
11/29 02:38, 8F

11/29 02:43, , 9F
10年:33570X^5(X^6-1)/(X-1)=205720+7200(X^5-1)/(X-1)
11/29 02:43, 9F
※ 編輯: csihcs 來自: 118.167.17.48 (11/29 13:12)

11/30 04:50, , 10F
照原po所說,年末累計領回跟解約後領回有什麼差別呢?
11/30 04:50, 10F

11/30 11:02, , 11F
銀行定存你可以以一年為一期,所以銀行的部分我覺得沒差
11/30 11:02, 11F

11/30 11:03, , 12F
但是儲蓄險解約的話,就一切重頭,另外所得的解約金非帳面
11/30 11:03, 12F

11/30 11:04, , 13F
價值,但因為沒人提供逐年解約所得的解約金為多少,無從比
11/30 11:04, 13F

11/30 11:05, , 14F
較他們的差異,所以我只先列出銀行的部分。
11/30 11:05, 14F

11/30 12:36, , 15F
帳戶價值多了7200!
11/30 12:36, 15F

11/30 13:52, , 16F
嗯...沒商品真的不好拚斷ORZ
11/30 13:52, 16F

11/30 13:52, , 17F
只能根據經驗,外幣的大多6~7年解約保本,台幣8年左右
11/30 13:52, 17F

12/02 01:08, , 18F
感謝c大解惑
12/02 01:08, 18F
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