Re: [討論] 王柏融登上MLBTR

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MLB-TR同篇文提到的亞洲球員新秀介紹,時間點是今年2月 https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-top-mlb-prospects-of-asia/ 王柏融的部分 The Chinese Professional Baseball League (CPBL) is not covered as thoroughly in the US anywhere near to the degree of the NPB or KBO. In recent years, many of the circuit’s top amateur players have signed directly with the MLB teams instead of going to the CPBL because of league-wide instability that has resulted from a series of game-fixing scandals. As a result of fiasco, the CPBL has reduced to four clubs total and lost out on many amateur talents to MLB — but it is still checked and scouted. Recently, after the 2015 season, the San Diego Padres were interested in the top infielder Chih-Sheng Lin; however, due to the posting fee and Lin’s age (he was then 33 years old), it didn’t happen. However, there is a talent who took the CPBL by storms by putting up video-game numbers: Po-Jung Wang. (His name is pronounced closer to “Bo-Rong Wang,” but is spelled using the “Wade-Giles system,” which is one of the four ways to romanize Chinese characters.) Wang hit an eye-popping .407/.491/.700 in 115 games in 2017, winning the quadruple crown (average, hit, home run, RBI) — and, of course, the league MVP. Actually, here are his CPBL career statistics: Po-Jung Wang, 2015-17 Year G PA HR AVG OBP SLG 2015 29 122 9 .324 .377 .640 2016* 116 550 29 .414 .476 .689 2017^ 115 517 31 .407 .491 .700 *Won ROY and 1st MVP. ^Won 2nd MVP. Sure, it is true that the CPBL is quite offensively inclined. There are many reasons for that — a number of talented positional players, a lack of talented pitchers, a shrinking strike zone, and juiced balls — and it makes you wonder how Wang would adjust if he were to head to the NPB or MLB. However, there’s no doubt that the 24-year-old is talented. Here is Wang taking the aforementioned Takahiro Norimoto deep over the center-field wall during an international match: https://i.giphy.com/media/26DNevcxBsyxg4SJ2/giphy.webp Former Royals and White Sox reliever Andy Sisco, who has pitched around the globe (Mexico, Korea, Taiwan, Dominican Republic), is quoted at the CPBL English site as saying that Wang “definitely projects as a major league player.” Continues Sisco: “He hits for power, he hits to all fields, he can hit a good fastball. He’s not a guy who can be overpowered.” Wang also garnered some attention from the American media in 2017 by unleashing one of the most awesome and flamboyant bat flips humanity has ever seen. An international scout told me he sees potential in Wang to succeed in the NPB/MLB but that he has to fix some flaws, saying, “He has holes in his swing that make him vulnerable to inside pitches in the next level.” This evaluator added that Wang’s glove isn’t anything special, meaning “he’s pretty much stuck in the corner-outfield slots.” Due to a recent rule change in the CPBL, players are eligible to explore going international after three years of service time and with their club’s permission (including posting fee). Wang now has two seasons under his belt, so hypothetically, he could head elsewhere after the 2018 season. According to a person with knowledge of the situation, the Athletics, Diamondbacks, Pirates, and Reds have had scouts to see Wang, though it seems likely that Wang will go to Japan first before challenging himself to go to the MLB. There is plenty of NPB interest in him, meanwhile. Wang himself has said that, ultimately, he’d like to go to the MLB but would not mind stopping by the NPB before it happens. 前兩段就中華職棒跟王柏融的簡介,也提到林智勝有吸引到教士隊的注意,不過因為年齡 跟轉隊費的關係放棄 第四段引用了希克的說法,他認為大王有能力成為大聯盟的球員,能夠應付好的速球,同 段也提到了那史詩性的甩棒 倒數第二段說有國際球探告訴作者他看到王柏融有在日職/大聯盟成功的潛力,但是需要修 正一些問題,認為他現階段的揮棒有漏洞,無法應對好高階層級投手的內角球 守備上則沒什麼特別的,大概就是個角落外野手 最後一段就說中職旅外球員制度的改變(年資滿三年+球隊准許就能出國),然後運動家, 響尾蛇,海盜跟紅人都有派球探來看過他,最後的結論認為王柏融應該會先挑戰日本職棒 大概就這樣吧? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.238.96.163 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Baseball/M.1539879493.A.A89.html

10/19 00:20, 7年前 , 1F
守備不太行
10/19 00:20, 1F

10/19 00:26, 7年前 , 2F
只能守corner棒子又不夠大 去美國成功的可能性真的不高
10/19 00:26, 2F

10/19 00:30, 7年前 , 3F
除非能忍幾年拼看看,不然先去日本比較合理
10/19 00:30, 3F

10/19 00:31, 7年前 , 4F
去美國要在少少機會打出來 不然會變下個金賢洙
10/19 00:31, 4F

10/19 00:35, 7年前 , 5F
去美國應該從2a打起,能不能上3a都不知道呢XD
10/19 00:35, 5F

10/19 00:36, 7年前 , 6F
上MLB也不意外,要戰力外前上MLB打幾個打數很常見
10/19 00:36, 6F

10/19 00:37, 7年前 , 7F
今年修抬腳就是要應付高階投手的內角球吧
10/19 00:37, 7F

10/19 00:38, 7年前 , 8F
一直都是預估角落外野到四號
10/19 00:38, 8F

10/19 00:38, 7年前 , 9F
說不定去就3A起跳,反正又不是直接上MLB又沒差
10/19 00:38, 9F

10/19 00:39, 7年前 , 10F
如果以大聯盟替補來說 王成功性很高
10/19 00:39, 10F

10/19 00:39, 7年前 , 11F
他今年的情況看起來不像是為了內角球,實際上季末也改
10/19 00:39, 11F

10/19 00:39, 7年前 , 12F
回來了
10/19 00:39, 12F

10/19 00:39, 7年前 , 13F
Everyday player就比較拼
10/19 00:39, 13F

10/19 00:40, 7年前 , 14F
去美國2A打幾個月適應的話就會上3A
10/19 00:40, 14F

10/19 00:40, 7年前 , 15F
對左投一些問題修正不太過來的話保守就是MLB 4th OF
10/19 00:40, 15F

10/19 00:41, 7年前 , 16F
今年好球帶變寬這個問題才比較明顯一點
10/19 00:41, 16F

10/19 00:43, 7年前 , 17F
去美國太硬了拉 亞洲打者幾個在MLB有打出來?
10/19 00:43, 17F

10/19 00:44, 7年前 , 18F
真的鳳毛麟角
10/19 00:44, 18F

10/19 00:45, 7年前 , 19F
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10/19 00:46, 7年前 , 20F
"狀況不好的時候,高抬腿會造成視線晃動"
10/19 00:46, 20F

10/19 00:47, 7年前 , 21F
今年比較常出現的情況是他抓球的timing比過去兩年糟,
10/19 00:47, 21F

10/19 00:47, 7年前 , 22F
講真的 老美想要大王 為啥不要大學就出手?
10/19 00:47, 22F

10/19 00:47, 7年前 , 23F
還等到現在都25才出手?
10/19 00:47, 23F

10/19 00:47, 7年前 , 24F
而不是跟不上速球
10/19 00:47, 24F

10/19 00:48, 7年前 , 25F
他就想修成可以對應內角90麥以上的機制 問題是中職沒
10/19 00:48, 25F

10/19 00:48, 7年前 , 26F
有太多這種機會給他驗證orz
10/19 00:48, 26F

10/19 00:49, 7年前 , 27F
傳聞其實是有的,但開得不夠高,不會比LM的簽約金多出
10/19 00:49, 27F

10/19 00:49, 7年前 , 28F
多出多少
10/19 00:49, 28F

10/19 00:49, 7年前 , 29F
高中大學早就出手了 = = 只是價碼王不要
10/19 00:49, 29F

10/19 00:49, 7年前 , 30F
進職業後就一直保持聯繫 跟當初林智勝一樣 只是王
10/19 00:49, 30F

10/19 00:50, 7年前 , 31F
高中就有球探跟了快十年了 只是價碼問題
10/19 00:50, 31F

10/19 00:50, 7年前 , 32F
有興趣的隊比林多出不少
10/19 00:50, 32F

10/19 00:50, 7年前 , 33F
現在這種人會越多,別忘了現在有IAFA pool
10/19 00:50, 33F

10/19 00:50, 7年前 , 34F
以前20出頭不了價 現在25出高價入札還只能先蹲AA
10/19 00:50, 34F

10/19 00:51, 7年前 , 35F
我發現有幾個ID真的都該複習一下版上大神的文章
10/19 00:51, 35F

10/19 00:51, 7年前 , 36F
日職也是價碼問題,成本能2-3千,一定有人簽
10/19 00:51, 36F

10/19 00:51, 7年前 , 37F
哪有可能的事情
10/19 00:51, 37F

10/19 00:51, 7年前 , 38F
算了..連預估王是四號的尼克楊都被說是反串了...
10/19 00:51, 38F

10/19 00:52, 7年前 , 39F
有幾個id就來亂的
10/19 00:52, 39F
還有 111 則推文
10/19 03:37, 7年前 , 151F
看日本要不要簽。
10/19 03:37, 151F

10/19 03:39, 7年前 , 152F
MLB 4號OF是天花板的話也要看他能不能長到這麼高
10/19 03:39, 152F

10/19 03:40, 7年前 , 153F
大王現在25歲最多只剩3-5年在美職成長&證明自己實力
10/19 03:40, 153F

10/19 03:44, 7年前 , 154F
不過個人覺得去小聯盟,如果球團有耐心,可能就先打一下
10/19 03:44, 154F

10/19 03:44, 7年前 , 155F
子高A讓他試個水溫,彼此建立一下信心才放上AA,如果懶得
10/19 03:44, 155F

10/19 03:44, 7年前 , 156F
等就直接丟AA開始練蠱看看,不行就自生自滅。
10/19 03:44, 156F

10/19 03:46, 7年前 , 157F
然後從此中職的打者成績被其他聯盟看更扁(?)
10/19 03:46, 157F

10/19 03:49, 7年前 , 158F
不過,去美國或日本,能到什麼程度,就像CCF說的,沒有試
10/19 03:49, 158F

10/19 03:49, 7年前 , 159F
過,大家永遠不會知道那個答案,只能先祝福他,有出去才
10/19 03:49, 159F

10/19 03:49, 7年前 , 160F
有機會證明這一切。XD
10/19 03:49, 160F

10/19 03:51, 7年前 , 161F
王是天花板corner OF 一兩年到4th OF
10/19 03:51, 161F

10/19 04:19, 7年前 , 162F
能上大聯盟大概也是觀光性質的幾個打數
10/19 04:19, 162F

10/19 05:08, 7年前 , 163F
中職就差不多接近2A等級 他現在去也太晚了
10/19 05:08, 163F

10/19 05:10, 7年前 , 164F
台灣野手要一去就能短時間上大聯盟根本不可能
10/19 05:10, 164F

10/19 05:19, 7年前 , 165F
太子不會低賣 大王要去哪要先過太子關
10/19 05:19, 165F

10/19 07:50, 7年前 , 166F
大王真的想去哪 太子也不會說因為價碼就擋掉啦 想太多
10/19 07:50, 166F

10/19 08:17, 7年前 , 167F
MLB球探跟了快十年結果到現在還卡在價錢,那不就是...
10/19 08:17, 167F

10/19 08:17, 7年前 , 168F
結果鄉民比球探還要厲害(M:我只想低普價開這福袋,王:
10/19 08:17, 168F

10/19 08:17, 7年前 , 169F
那我乾脆待在舒適圈等日職
10/19 08:17, 169F

10/19 08:20, 7年前 , 170F
覺得不值得花錢簽的不會特地飛來看 還有寫10年報告好嗎 當
10/19 08:20, 170F

10/19 08:20, 7年前 , 171F
人力都不用錢? 他會被持續追蹤就是進步幅度讓人滿意啊
10/19 08:20, 171F

10/19 08:32, 7年前 , 172F
進步幅度讓人滿意,但價錢始終讓你不滿意?這樣嗎?
10/19 08:32, 172F

10/19 08:33, 7年前 , 173F
反正我大聯盟人才多,我就只有這低普價想開你這福袋
10/19 08:33, 173F
不就覺得轉隊費太貴嗎? 覺得王柏融的實力值得派球探長期觀察 認為中華職棒旅外規定的轉隊費不合理 這兩件事又沒衝突

10/19 08:42, 7年前 , 174F
進中職就是要打三年 怎麼知道價格始終一樣呢 看下去吧
10/19 08:42, 174F

10/19 08:43, 7年前 , 175F
一樣的話繼續留下來虐菜爽賺就好了
10/19 08:43, 175F
※ 編輯: polanco (42.74.125.29), 10/19/2018 08:52:12

10/19 08:52, 7年前 , 176F
去日職也是有機會再被賣去美國XD
10/19 08:52, 176F

10/19 08:56, 7年前 , 177F
另外就是他中職滿三年後,大家才能出價啊
10/19 08:56, 177F

10/19 09:40, 7年前 , 178F
你知道有約準備要賣的 連接觸都不行嗎zzzz
10/19 09:40, 178F

10/19 09:46, 7年前 , 179F
說真的轉隊費對大聯盟球團可能還好,原因就是王沒好
10/19 09:46, 179F

10/19 09:46, 7年前 , 180F
到某個程度
10/19 09:46, 180F

10/19 09:48, 7年前 , 181F
如果一樣的轉隊費,對像換成菅野,你看會不會所有球
10/19 09:48, 181F

10/19 09:48, 7年前 , 182F
團都想出手
10/19 09:48, 182F

10/19 09:50, 7年前 , 183F
"中國的職業棒球聯盟" 還以為是在中國勒...
10/19 09:50, 183F

10/19 09:51, 7年前 , 184F
假設菅野是中職球員的話
10/19 09:51, 184F

10/19 09:55, 7年前 , 185F
如果球團願意養,守備這個問題應該可以改善
10/19 09:55, 185F

10/19 10:01, 7年前 , 186F
轉隊費不是問題 問題他現在還要吃額度啊 簽小聯盟制式約 沒
10/19 10:01, 186F

10/19 10:01, 7年前 , 187F
給一定的簽約金 誰要跟你簽
10/19 10:01, 187F

10/19 10:19, 7年前 , 188F
就是紅人Jessie Winker的弱版,值得一試。
10/19 10:19, 188F
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