Re: [閒聊] 一個有趣的反石頭論證
※ 引述《oolontea (極樂娃娃)》之銘言：
: 那假設問上帝：
: 你能不能自殺呢?
: 這就和創不創造沒關了吧??
: 我想這是 全能 這個名詞定義的問題吧
: 全能是只我所要求的你都做得到，
: 還是必須在某種條件下才做得到
你說對了，你的思路非常清楚。
基督宗教所謂的全能屬於”在某種條件下才做得到”，
而不是”根據自己意志就絕對可以自相矛盾”的上帝。
提摩太後書 2 Timothy
2:13 ..因為祂不能背乎自己。
2:13 ..αρνησασθαι γαρ εαυτον ου δυναται
to contradict/disavow because himself not He is able
=> because he is not able to contradict himself
這句已經說明神”不能”(is not able/ου δυναται)”自我矛盾”。
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※ 編輯: Geigemachen 來自: 118.168.165.155 (12/07 21:58)
※ 編輯: Geigemachen 來自: 118.168.165.155 (12/07 21:58)
※ 編輯: Geigemachen 來自: 118.168.165.155 (12/07 21:59)
※ 編輯: Geigemachen 來自: 118.168.165.155 (12/07 21:59)
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”全能”的定義如下：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipotent#Meanings_of_omnipotence
Meanings of omnipotence
Between people of different faiths, or indeed even between people of the same
faith, the term omnipotent has been used to connote a number of different
positions. These positions include, but are not limited to, the following:
A deity is able to do anything that is logically possible for it to do[1].
A deity is able to do anything that it chooses to do[2].
A deity is able to do anything that is in accord with its own nature (thus,
for instance, if it is a logical consequence of a deity's nature that what it
speaks is truth, then it is not able to lie).
Hold that it is part of a deity's nature to be consistent and that it would
be inconsistent for said deity to go against its own laws unless there was a
reason to do so.[3]
Under many philosophical definitions of the term "deity", senses 2, 3 and 4
can be shown to be equivalent. However, on all understandings of Omnipotence,
it is generally held that a deity is able to intervene in the world by
superseding the laws of physics, since they are not part of its nature, but
the principles on which it has created the physical world.
※ 編輯: Geigemachen 來自: 118.168.165.155 (12/08 00:34)
※ 編輯: Geigemachen 來自: 118.168.165.155 (12/08 00:35)
※ 編輯: Geigemachen 來自: 118.168.165.155 (12/08 00:36)
※ 編輯: Geigemachen 來自: 118.168.165.155 (12/08 00:36)
※ 編輯: Geigemachen 來自: 118.168.165.155 (12/08 00:37)
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你應該思考，你到底是不是真的了解你所批判的東西，還是搞不清楚狀況就狂批。
網路上已經那麼多文獻可當翻譯機，你自己沒查清楚定義就要發問也客氣些，
你就不該高估自己對術語的理解程度。你不狂批狂罵狂噓，別人也不想對你兇。
※ 編輯: Geigemachen 來自: 118.168.164.69 (12/08 22:50)
※ 編輯: Geigemachen 來自: 118.168.164.69 (12/08 22:53)
※ 編輯: Geigemachen 來自: 118.168.164.69 (12/08 22:53)
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