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[心得] 很愛很愛狗卻不敢養狗
[ dog ]41 留言, 推噓總分: +11
作者: torries - 發表於 2013/03/16 17:56(11年前)
26Fvalenci:看不出有什麼愧疚。哈哈。第一次會自己回來, 結果咧?03/18 21:31
27Fvalenci:還是不要養得好,那麼多次都沒責任意識03/18 21:34
30Fvalenci:我就是討厭這種人,您如果下決心要負起責任要養,幹嘛還來03/18 23:15
31Fvalenci:問。03/18 23:16
32Fvalenci:高二那隻搞成這樣,什麼愧疚,什麼最愛是狗,但是我還是養03/18 23:17
33Fvalenci:貓好了?03/18 23:17
34Fvalenci:國二狗疑似被牽丟難過很久,高二家裡繼續放養狗...失蹤兩03/19 08:23
35Fvalenci:個月復得不會怕繼放養 哈哈哈03/19 08:24
36Fvalenci:我才不理解您為什麼會以為放養一段時間都有回來,就永遠不03/19 08:25
37Fvalenci:會有意外咧。03/19 08:26
38Fvalenci:還有出去到哪大便有撿嗎?03/19 08:26
[請問] 狗狗散步的時候被兩隻大狗咬
[ dog ]41 留言, 推噓總分: +11
作者: a86462848 - 發表於 2013/03/11 20:08(11年前)
7Fvalenci:多大的狗?到目前為止我用喝止的都有用,不過我的方法是早03/11 20:40
8Fvalenci:就注意到對方(遛狗時一直注意)3 4公尺外就喝止03/11 20:41
11Fvalenci:聽說太近時再喝就來不及03/11 22:04
Re: [心得] 看報告狗班長的想法
[ dog ]82 留言, 推噓總分: +11
作者: Minilla - 發表於 2013/03/11 19:09(11年前)
47Fvalenci:樓上說的我完全聽不懂。知心就會聽您這樣?知心指的是什麼03/11 21:41
51Fvalenci:我看到的目的是1.安全感2.大小便 這跟在外服從度有關嗎?03/11 21:52
52Fvalenci:helen那連結在說尿尿行為。03/11 21:54
53Fvalenci:尿尿這種忍無可忍的事我也不會處罰03/11 21:56
Re: [心得] 看報告狗班長的想法
[ dog ]265 留言, 推噓總分: +22
作者: whoisanky - 發表於 2013/03/11 12:07(11年前)
64Fvalenci:bopeep 您認為有這種都不用怕就尊重的東西嗎?03/11 17:46
65Fvalenci:有的講會聽當然就不用加強手段,多得是不聽的03/11 17:47
66Fvalenci:完全忽視就是一種很大的懲罰-->不認為 您是從哪聽來的?03/11 17:48
67Fvalenci:試述不理他就是最大懲罰如何運用在讓狗不硬拖繩要去追機車03/11 17:50
68Fvalenci:之前有人說等牠不追那次,獎勵他,但我哥狗那時不會給你有03/11 17:55
69Fvalenci:不追的那一次03/11 17:55
71Fvalenci:不用了03/11 17:59
73Fvalenci:同Fairbomb 適當負面跟不當體罰是兩回事.03/11 18:01
74Fvalenci:所以台灣有家暴法,但可沒禁適當管教03/11 18:01
77Fvalenci:他說的忽視懲罰,狗怎知您忽視時指的是哪件事?什麼時候忽03/11 18:03
78Fvalenci:視?03/11 18:03
80Fvalenci:我哥那隻專注力120,沒用03/11 18:05
82Fvalenci:這麼說好了,忽視就是懲罰,要怎樣用在要牠不追咬拖把呢?03/11 18:06
84Fvalenci:還有同Fairbomb 想對有些狗主說,要信仰正向是您的事,但03/11 18:11
85Fvalenci:請不要還沒練成貼身隨行就放繩讓狗到處騷擾人好嗎?03/11 18:12
91Fvalenci:或應說不管您什麼流派,不能絕對控狗貼身就別亂放繩啦03/11 18:13
92Fvalenci:可是到目前為止 你家的狗問題也沒有改善-->我可沒這樣說03/11 18:14
93Fvalenci:有改善啦。方法我就不說了,不然又要被批了03/11 18:14
94Fvalenci:不對,我之前就說過了,也被批了03/11 18:16
107Fvalenci:很不喜歡一些人動不動就說,這種方法以後一定會逆襲,很抱03/11 18:35
113Fvalenci:歉,並沒有。還有一些人常常在說什麼恐懼,不是真服從03/11 18:37
116Fvalenci:我都是弱的沒用才加強的喔。現在有很多情況喝斥就有用了03/11 18:38
119Fvalenci:當然不會再追加。大小便這種基本需求我是從不處罰的。03/11 18:39
124Fvalenci:一些人講得匪夷所思,有負面就傷感情,這世界不是都正面的03/11 18:40
126Fvalenci:所以您要批就批這種情況呀,我也反對,我也反對'重連打狗'03/11 18:41
127Fvalenci:這種事跟方法流派沒有關係了03/11 18:41
128Fvalenci:還有玩把戲一定要用正面的。我是給限制才會用負面。給限制03/11 18:43
129Fvalenci:"正面",狗會知道有界限嗎?03/11 18:43
130Fvalenci:今天牠又試探我,先含我姆指,接下來稍加力讓我會痛,就被03/11 18:45
131Fvalenci:我就低聲吼ㄟ~~~。然後這機靈的傢伙就改輕咬變舔我手...03/11 18:47
153Fvalenci:上面那連結在提到正處罰時為什麼用飛踢為例呀!呵呵03/11 21:04
156Fvalenci:然後下面提到使用正處罰時所需要的原則(會這樣說也是不全03/11 21:08
159Fvalenci:反正處罰?03/11 21:08
169Fvalenci:http://ppt.cc/bRGK 完全正向迷思,這篇很有趣03/11 21:15
170Fvalenci:所以在說「正向」訓練時,指的到底是什麼呢?^^03/11 21:16
172Fvalenci:所以版上一堆人在說的去找正向訓練師,指的到底是什麼呢?03/11 21:19
174Fvalenci:我有先說,不聽再拉繩(忘了哪學來的)03/11 21:21
177Fvalenci:不小心用了P鏈的經驗,配合先說不定再拉,P鍊還蠻好用的03/11 21:27
178Fvalenci:說不小心是因為我哥領養回來就附這條,我們那時不知p鏈是03/11 21:28
179Fvalenci:什麼,後來到某時期知道p鏈是什麼時,狗也較不硬拉了。03/11 21:29
181Fvalenci:剛換胸背帶的前幾天變很愛拉(束縛大減),後來我用講的,或03/11 21:30
182Fvalenci:拉胸背帶繩一下就會聽,剛換胸背帶時要拉很大力03/11 21:32
184Fvalenci:環刺頸圈聽說是用在狗主拉不動大狗會被衝脫繩之類的?03/11 21:33
197Fvalenci:讓我覺得最不可思議的,上面連結跟各位所述,都僅僅在說,03/12 07:54
198Fvalenci:正面有效的話,「儘量」不要用「負面」,並沒有否定「負面03/12 07:55
199Fvalenci:」手法的可能性,還有強調處罰要用對手法,為什麼一堆人還03/12 07:57
200Fvalenci:是聽到負面手法,聽到「處罰」二字就抓狂,就想到「虐狗」03/12 07:57
201Fvalenci:那種程度的事,還說什麼不是真正服從,以後會逆襲之類的03/12 07:58
202Fvalenci:helen0624板友提到這篇http://ppt.cc/UrSW03/12 08:01
203Fvalenci:那種糾錯,算不算負面的?03/12 08:02
204Fvalenci:又如whoisanky說自己會用抓狗嘴,那這樣算不算「不是真正03/12 08:03
205Fvalenci:服從」跟「會累積壓力以後會逆襲」?03/12 08:04
206Fvalenci:完全正向迷思那個連結也有提到,「消弱」和「負處罰」,有03/12 08:07
207Fvalenci:時厭惡程度不下處罰,文中後面的第三點也有提到輕度處罰03/12 08:08
208Fvalenci:所以結論應該是「儘量」不要用「負面」,跟手法要對。03/12 08:09
209Fvalenci:而不是聽到「處罰」就想到「虐狗」「狂打狗」吧。03/12 08:10
210Fvalenci:一些人常常就說忽視手法,那是不是只適用某些情況。要是忽03/12 08:12
211Fvalenci:視那麼好用,http://ppt.cc/UrSW 這篇在說腳側隨行時為什03/12 08:14
212Fvalenci:麼要用到口令不聽再扯繩?03/12 08:14
213Fvalenci:「完全正向迷思」那篇為什麼需要提到輕度處罰?03/12 08:15
214Fvalenci:「處罰與增強的定義」那篇,也沒說使用正增強跟負處罰就能03/12 08:23
215Fvalenci:保證您能解決任何問題。後面提到響片, 加上正處罰與負增強03/12 08:24
216Fvalenci:「也是一種訓練方式」,只是不能稱之為響片訓練03/12 08:25
220Fvalenci:http://ppt.cc/VXor 這篇有個很嚴重的問題。在一開始解釋03/12 16:51
221Fvalenci:時,為什麼負增強與正處罰都使用不當訓練當例子,而不用下03/12 16:52
222Fvalenci:面的:站立-扯繩正處罰--坐下負增強,也難怪一堆人把適當03/12 16:54
223Fvalenci:也難怪很多人聽到正處罰負增強,就認為是虐狗跟不當管教?03/12 16:55
224Fvalenci:如果「要這樣舉例」,那正增強,也要舉例運用時機不對,反03/12 16:58
225Fvalenci:而正增強的狗的攻擊行為.03/12 16:59
226Fvalenci:然後到了文章中間才說四種方法運用得當,都是有效的方法。03/12 17:03
227Fvalenci:文章後面,談到正處罰可能遇到的問題,那麼怎不也說說不當03/12 17:05
230Fvalenci:正增強可能遇到的問題,還有負處罰不會有其問題嗎?03/12 17:06
233Fvalenci:那是「偏」見!!最好剛好正處罰跟負增加都是壞例子,正增強03/12 17:07
236Fvalenci:跟負處罰就不是什麼怪例子。這就是純然偏見呀03/12 17:09
237Fvalenci:下面說如果四種運用得當的話,都是好方面,那為什麼前面舉03/12 17:10
239Fvalenci:例有這種刻意的偏私,而且要談到運用方法不當會產生的問題03/12 17:10
240Fvalenci:負增強為什麼舉「戳狗不讓牠睡」這種例子,結果是狗躲床下03/12 17:12
241Fvalenci:讓您搆不著,這不算錯誤管教跟結果更糟的壞例子?03/12 17:12
244Fvalenci:而且要談到運用方法不當會產生的問題,應該四種方法都要提03/12 17:13
245Fvalenci:那為什麼要用一個不算是管教的東西當例子呢?03/12 17:15
246Fvalenci:負增強要用這種奇怪例子的話,那正增強是不是要用主人無聊03/12 17:16
247Fvalenci:用喜好物去鼓勵狗對別的狗去對別的狗嗆聲,然後狗就很聰明03/12 17:18
249Fvalenci:的舉一反三看到別的狗就做出攻擊態勢?03/12 17:18
251Fvalenci:看完這篇以後,更明白我為什麼那麼討厭「純然」正增負罰論03/12 17:20
253Fvalenci:者。03/12 17:22
254Fvalenci:這個我知道呀,所以我說也要提到錯誤正增強的問題03/12 17:23
255Fvalenci:我也沒有否認不當正處罰的問題喔03/12 17:23
256Fvalenci:話說負處罰的移除喜好物方法,我想不太到適用的情況。03/12 17:25
257Fvalenci:除了文中兩個例子是好例子,我想了好久,很多情況沒有喜好03/12 17:28
258Fvalenci:物在,要怎麼移除?而且就算有,怎麼讓狗知道移除喜好物03/12 17:29
259Fvalenci:跟牠自己某項行為是有關聯的03/12 17:29
264Fvalenci:我也想到了:飛盤沒接中沒零食吃03/12 17:42
265Fvalenci:想了又想,最好是四種方法都擅長03/12 17:53
[心得] 看報告狗班長的想法
[ dog ]151 留言, 推噓總分: +17
作者: backstabber - 發表於 2013/03/10 23:44(11年前)
143Fvalenci:為什麼每次都會掙脫繩>大型犬嗎?03/11 17:42
149Fvalenci:p字不會正確方法,會有氣管塌陷風險03/12 17:52
[新聞] 幫狗掛身分證 陳日盛呼籲別棄養
[ dog ]7 留言, 推噓總分: +3
作者: sony577 - 發表於 2013/03/07 23:28(11年前)
1Fvalenci:怎不帶回家?03/08 08:19
2Fvalenci:擔心牠被當做流浪犬抓走-->放養?03/08 08:19
[新聞] 吉娃娃走失女童哭腫眼 父懸賞找狗
[ dog ]18 留言, 推噓總分: +3
作者: valenci - 發表於 2013/03/07 07:59(11年前)
1Fvalenci:又是都會自己回家的賭博心態,youtube看過無繩吉娃娃被車03/07 08:00
2Fvalenci:輾死的影片,新聞也看過無繩吉娃娃在家前面廣場,被三隻無03/07 08:02
3Fvalenci:繩中型犬咬死叼走。03/07 08:02
[請問] 我媽帶狗出去都不綁繩 該怎麼辦?
[ dog ]84 留言, 推噓總分: +19
作者: evava - 發表於 2013/03/06 13:06(11年前)
10Fvalenci:誰的狗?在我看來,沒有「我家狗」這種東西03/06 13:45
14Fvalenci:P鍊要去看「正確」用法,不過一般人就算知道也懶得用正確03/06 13:47
15Fvalenci:用法。我哥狗用一陣後(領養時附過來的,當時也不知那是什03/06 13:50
16Fvalenci:麼鍊),後來去買胸背帶,帶出去時用。03/06 13:50
18Fvalenci:是您的狗,就跟你媽說不要帶他出去呀。對了,小型犬應該更03/06 13:55
19Fvalenci:容易被撞死,因為駕駛的視線更難注意到。03/06 13:56
20Fvalenci:是你的狗就禁她帶出去,或去Utube找狗被撞死影片給她看03/06 13:59
26Fvalenci:我覺得媽媽似乎不喜歡狗,想用這種方式解決牠(誤)03/06 14:03
28Fvalenci:媽媽說小臘力氣拉太大,所以就放狗,搞不懂這種邏輯03/06 14:05
29Fvalenci:一堆人都不會怕的,說難聽狗死不悲的人也就算了,一堆狗死03/06 14:05
30Fvalenci:了在那哭...牠是我家人呀~~~~的,啊之前不會上繩喔。新聞03/06 14:06
31Fvalenci:都一大堆事件了,不過這似乎是種人性。狗稍微比較不亂跑就03/06 14:07
32Fvalenci:想要賭賭看了03/06 14:07
37Fvalenci:是沒上繩的?我家後面那隻米格魯固定放風家門口好幾年沒事03/06 14:11
38Fvalenci:去年中被撞死了,狗老眼花了?03/06 14:11
[請問] 狗狗被攻擊後
[ dog ]9 留言, 推噓總分: +3
作者: jingc - 發表於 2013/02/27 20:12(11年前)
1Fvalenci:"自己跑出去玩"02/27 20:13
[請問] 狗狗會一直在地上磨蹭
[ dog ]41 留言, 推噓總分: +13
作者: alubr - 發表於 2013/02/27 15:38(11年前)
5Fvalenci:滾臭臭, 狗的天性,之前被我哥狗得逞過,後來看牠頭的準備02/27 16:57
6Fvalenci:動作,就把牽繩往上拉。牠滾過人家挖出放出在路邊的臭黑泥02/27 16:59
7Fvalenci:還有路上壓扁的壁虎屍體。02/27 17:00
35Fvalenci:日本台看過放幾種東西讓熊選,熊也會選臭鹹魚來滾臭臭02/27 20:15